Fat's PG Rankings (2/3/2014 update pg 8)

[fatlever]

parker is out there in cruise control most nights. he doesnt need to go balls out for the spurs to get home court. he just needs to save his body for the postseason. when it matters, he is top 5 easily.

[mrknowitall215]

Tony Parker is averaging 18 points, shooting 51% from the field & 44% on 3-pointers, and 6 assist with a 19.8 PER on the best team in the Western Conference. That's without mentioning a 3-time NBA Champion with a Finals MVP to boot. There's nothing that can tell me that he's not a top-5 PG

[LamarMatic7]

Tony Parker is averaging 18 points, shooting 51% from the field & 44% on 3-pointers, and 6 assist with a 19.8 PER on the best team in the Western Conference. That's without mentioning a 3-time NBA Champion with a Finals MVP to boot. There's nothing that can tell me that he's not a top-5 PG

I know that Pop deserves a lot of the credit for installing his system but Parker should be given praise for it as well. The Spurs almost never get a bad shot. Never. And Parker is a big part of that whenever he is on the court. He can go through two or three pick-n-rolls before he finds the angle he wants and then.. BOOM.. he hits the right guy and everything goes forward from there.

What I like about the Spurs after watching them a lot this year is that it seems to me that they can get an open Tim Duncan 16-footer whenever they want to. A simple pick-n-roll where Parker gets most of the attention and he can hit Timmy with a pass perfectly in that mid-range area. And you basically have to live with that. That's like something the opposing team just has to give up. Mind you, that's one of the ten best players ever I'm talking about.

So that's something I wanted to add to Parker's stats. Yeah, guys like Teague might have similar production on paper. But Parker is a real controller of his team's offense. You can't put a number on that.

[HornetJail]

1. Chris Paul
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Lillard
6. D. Williams
7. Conley
8. Parker
9. Bledsoe
11. Dragic
12. MCW
13. B. Knight
15. Wall
16. Teague
17. B Jennings
18. T. Burke
19. Rubio
20. Holiday
21. Kemba
22. G. Hill
23. Calderon
24. Lin
25. Hinrich
26. Nelson
27. Felton
28. I. Thomas
29. Lowry

Wait a minute, Brandon Knight, Jennings, Burke, and Rubio above Kemba and Holiday? Knight above Wall? Thomas and Lowry at the bottom?

???

[ball teacher]

1. Chris Paul
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Lillard
6. D. Williams
7. Conley
8. Parker
9. Bledsoe
11. Dragic
12. MCW
13. B. Knight
15. Wall
16. Teague
17. B Jennings
18. T. Burke
19. Rubio
20. Holiday
21. Kemba
22. G. Hill
23. Calderon
24. Lin
25. Hinrich
26. Nelson
27. Felton
28. I. Thomas
29. Lowry

Wait a minute, Brandon Knight, Jennings, Burke, and Rubio above Kemba and Holiday? Knight above Wall? Thomas and Lowry at the bottom?

???

Knight has gotten the better of Kemba both times they've played this year, and if you havenet really noticed, the guy has been balling in Milwaukee, he'll only get better. Burke also outplayed Kemba and even though I'm not really a fan of Burke, he's got talent and more true PG skills. Jennings is wild, but he's also a good player and a true PG, a strong coach will get him right. Rubio is a true playmaking point guard, he cant shoot, but hell be in the league along time because he knows how to play his position.

Holiday is good, Im just not a big fan of his. For the record, Holiday is getting 14 pts 7 assists per
Jennings is getting 16 and 8, Knight is getting 14 and 4 and a team that has much less talent than Holiday's. Wall is tall, fast, but he can't shoot, his man defense is suspect, and I'm not a fan of his game..at all. But I'm old school, I respect PG's with handles, vision, playmaking ability and shooting range. Wall is a good playmaker, not a great one, but he's good in today's pick and make a play type offense all these teams run now. You could make a argument that Wall is top 10, I'm just not a fan of his.

I don't know what you like about Lowry's game, he's small, not a great defender, not a great play maker, not a great scorer, I don't know who you think he's better than on my list. And Isaiah Thomas is a 5'9 chucker, I'll pass.

[catch20two]

Ball teacher just lost a lot of perspective points in my book when reading his opinions.

I thought the trade for Kendrick Perkins post was a anomaly but now I see.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Those are some rather interesting rankings you have there ball teacher.

[Marvel]

Shystah that's some WTF interesting PG rankings there. Lowry at the bottom ? Below Felton? LOL

[ball teacher]

Ball teacher just lost a lot of perspective points in my book when reading his opinions.

I thought the trade for Kendrick Perkins post was a anomaly but now I see.

I don't know whats strange about saying Perkins can be a tough defensive player to help Al and to help on the boards. What else does he do?

[Liver_Pooty]

Walker should be anywhere from 10 at the highest to 13-14, 14 being the absolute lowest. Im assuming D. Williams is Derrick Williams because hes probably a better PG than Deron Williams is right now, and Irving should be no 2nd on any list. Does he have the talent to be 2nd? Yeah, he probably has the talent to be first one day, but not right now.

[Marvel]

Holey cheesenutz, I just took another look at that list and saw Hinrich's name in ther lmfao...above Lowry...

[ball teacher]

Lowry is in his 7th year and having the best year of his career on one of the worst teams in basketball. If you say he's better than Felton ok, cool. I just appreciate how Felton is a guy that plays defense. I think if Felton was on a bummy team where he could put up more shots he'd do all that Lowry is doing and more.

[thruthefire]

Paul
Curry
Parker
Westbrook
Wall
Irving
Lillard
Lawson
Conley
Williams
Bledsoe
Dragic
Lowry
Thomas

After that, I think you can put Kemba, Teague, Holiday, Lin, MCW, and Rubio in whatever order you want.

Oh, and I did consider prior season performance for my list.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lowry is in his 7th year and having the best year of his career on one of the worst teams in basketball. If you say he's better than Felton ok, cool. I just appreciate how Felton is a guy that plays defense. I think if Felton was on a bummy team where he could put up more shots he'd do all that Lowry is doing and more.

Toronto is one of the hottest teams in basketball and might very well be the 3rd seed in the eastern conference when its all said and done. I don't think id label Toronto as being anywhere near one of the worst teams in the league.

[ball teacher]

Lowry is in his 7th year and having the best year of his career on one of the worst teams in basketball. If you say he's better than Felton ok, cool. I just appreciate how Felton is a guy that plays defense. I think if Felton was on a bummy team where he could put up more shots he'd do all that Lowry is doing and more.

Toronto is one of the hottest teams in basketball and might very well be the 3rd seed in the eastern conference when its all said and done. I don't think id label Toronto as being anywhere near one of the worst teams in the league.

3rd seed? So, you're saying Miami, Indiana, and then Toronto led by PG extraordinaire Kyle Lowry will be the top 3 seeds in the east? I'll say Cleveland will most likely be better with the trade they made, I'd expect Brooklyn to be better even though they're banged up, Washington should be better, Charlotte is better, Detroit is better, but we'll see how good Toronto ends up.

[ball teacher]

Paul
Curry
Parker
Westbrook
Wall
Irving
Lillard
Lawson
Conley
Williams
Bledsoe
Dragic
Lowry
Thomas

After that, I think you can put Kemba, Teague, Holiday, Lin, MCW, and Rubio in whatever order you want.

Oh, and I did consider prior season performance for my list.

Just curious to know, is that I. Thomas from Sacramento you have in your top 15 PG's?

[Liver_Pooty]

Lowry is in his 7th year and having the best year of his career on one of the worst teams in basketball. If you say he's better than Felton ok, cool. I just appreciate how Felton is a guy that plays defense. I think if Felton was on a bummy team where he could put up more shots he'd do all that Lowry is doing and more.

Toronto is one of the hottest teams in basketball and might very well be the 3rd seed in the eastern conference when its all said and done. I don't think id label Toronto as being anywhere near one of the worst teams in the league.

3rd seed? So, you're saying Miami, Indiana, and then Toronto led by PG extraordinaire Kyle Lowry will be the top 3 seeds in the east? I'll say Cleveland will most likely be better with the trade they made, I'd expect Brooklyn to be better even though they're banged up, Washington should be better, Charlotte is better, Detroit is better, but we'll see how good Toronto ends up.

I am in no way saying that Lowry is a "PG extraordinaire", but since Gay has been traded I have watched three of their games, and the ball movement has been so much better its been insane. They are a totally different team, and its allowing young bloods like Derozan and Ross to fit together very well. Do I honestly think they will be the 3 seed? No. But it is a definite possibility.

[Marvel]

I can't even...

[ball teacher]

The reason I personally don't have Tony Parker higher, is because he's a point guard that has never in his career averaged more than 7 assists per game. His average for his career is 6, he's had 7 assists per twice, and on top of that, he still doesn't have a great jump shot. If he wasn't playing with Tim Duncan and with that Spurs system how good of a guard would he really be? I don't think he'd be mentioned as elite. Especially with defense like this.....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3-B2pTE9g[/youtube]
or this....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgnfRA-CR3w[/youtube]

[LamarMatic7]

The reason I personally don't have Tony Parker higher, is because he's a point guard that has never in his career averaged more than 7 assists per game. His average for his career is 6, he's had 7 assists per twice, and on top of that, he still doesn't have a great jump shot. If he wasn't playing with Tim Duncan and with that Spurs system how good of a guard would he really be? I don't think he'd be mentioned as elite. Especially with defense like this.....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3-B2pTE9g[/youtube]
or this....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgnfRA-CR3w[/youtube]

haha, you're really something.

first off, I love that point guards have to hand out more than "ball teacher's" required 7 assists per game for them to be considered elite.

second off, if you want to make a point about somebody's poor defense, you can simply provide a link to a play on which the player was on the wrong end of an ankle breaker. does this mean that I can use the Allen Iverson crossover on MJ as evidence for Jordan being an overrated defender?

I won't even get started on the fact that legends like Dennis Johnson and Pete Maravich also didn't get past your magical seven assist mark. Or do you want to downplay their careers as well?