Realistic trades for Josh Smith

[sc8581]

Mostly just want to see how Drummond and KCP progress and then add fitting pieces around them, currently I don't think any of those 3 are or will become guys that we eventually win with. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying to dump them for nothing, by all means get as much value as possible, just make it for the future and not right now.

I would easily keep Jennings & Monroe. Jennings has shown improvement & he may not be a long term piece but we could do a lot worse in the next year or two.

I think Monroe can be a dynamic side kick to Drummond. That front line could be downright insane in 3 or 4 years with shooters spread all around them.

I have been impressed with Jennings playmaking at times, but overall I think he's a 3rd guard at best on a good team. I would prefer a guy like Felton or Andre Miller over the next 2 years until we find a long-term solution, I just believe they make guys around them better and Jennings doesn't. Kyle Lowry would be a nice addition if we could land him this summer assuming he doesn't want crazy money of course.

You know how I feel about Monroe, basically he's more valuable to other teams especially for the money he will demand.

[sc8581]

Posted it on the Magic board to see they're reaction. My money is, they probably will look at the mess in Motown and tell me to go away.

You are a brave soul CGC

[theBigLip]

No, it isn't redundant. We have multiple trade threads and a lot of things get lost. So yes, if you want to focus on a particular idea or thought, it makes sense to open your own thread.

As for my "bad opinion", is it bad that I think we'd be better off with expirings than Smith? That's my opinion. Sorry that you think he's such an asset to the team.

Getting out of a single year of Ben Gordon's contract cost us a first rounder.

There's no controversy here. Of course we'd be better off with expirings than Smith. For that reason we won't get expirings for him.

To be fair, that's completely on Dumars. Dumars had the option to amnesty Ben Gordon or trade him. He opted to trade him and dumped a pick for the sake of doing it.

I see a lot of bad contracts moved. I think Smith CAN be moved but I think Dumars isn't the right guy to do it. Because he wouldn't be willing to take bad a contract that maybe the only gain is shaving a year off the deal. He either obsesses over cap space or will not accept going this route because its a "downgrade" in talent.

I agree but for different reasons. Dumars isn't the guy to trade Smith because he would have to admit he made a mistake.

[momed11]

Getting out of a single year of Ben Gordon's contract cost us a first rounder.

There's no controversy here. Of course we'd be better off with expirings than Smith. For that reason we won't get expirings for him.

To be fair, that's completely on Dumars. Dumars had the option to amnesty Ben Gordon or trade him. He opted to trade him and dumped a pick for the sake of doing it.

I see a lot of bad contracts moved. I think Smith CAN be moved but I think Dumars isn't the right guy to do it. Because he wouldn't be willing to take bad a contract that maybe the only gain is shaving a year off the deal. He either obsesses over cap space or will not accept going this route because its a "downgrade" in talent.

I agree but for different reasons. Dumars isn't the guy to trade Smith because he would have to admit he made a mistake.

Thank god he didn't amnesty BG, we'd be fully locked into smith for four years - at least now we can hit the reset button if gores is willing to pay.

[HeroicKennedy]

To be fair, that's completely on Dumars. Dumars had the option to amnesty Ben Gordon or trade him. He opted to trade him and dumped a pick for the sake of doing it.

I see a lot of bad contracts moved. I think Smith CAN be moved but I think Dumars isn't the right guy to do it. Because he wouldn't be willing to take bad a contract that maybe the only gain is shaving a year off the deal. He either obsesses over cap space or will not accept going this route because its a "downgrade" in talent.

I agree but for different reasons. Dumars isn't the guy to trade Smith because he would have to admit he made a mistake.

Thank god he didn't amnesty BG, we'd be fully locked into smith for four years - at least now we can hit the reset button if gores is willing to pay.

Smith cannot be amnestied. It was a one-time deal for deals signed before the newest CBA. You could amnesty one player who signed their deal with your team before the 2011-2012 season.

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

[vic]

If you think about it, the Afflalo trade isn't that farfetched. Getting rid of Afflalo and Davis actually open up playing time for Oladipo at the 2. In addition, they have better cap flexibility next year instead of waiting for 2016. Smith is also a great fix next to Vuc.

For us, Duh. Afflalo is a no brainer. He can even play the 3 and we might actually be a good defensive team....

But its not happening.

Yeah that works I hope it happens

[joseph mamah]

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

when did Jerebko sign his deal? it would be nice if we could at least amnesty him this off-season.

[sc8581]

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

when did Jerebko sign his deal? it would be nice if we could at least amnesty him this off-season.

Can't, would be nice though yes.

[sc8581]

I agree but for different reasons. Dumars isn't the guy to trade Smith because he would have to admit he made a mistake.

Thank god he didn't amnesty BG, we'd be fully locked into smith for four years - at least now we can hit the reset button if gores is willing to pay.

Smith cannot be amnestied. It was a one-time deal for deals signed before the newest CBA. You could amnesty one player who signed their deal with your team before the 2011-2012 season.

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

Cheap ownership is the only excuse for not amnestying one of them.

[Hotmayo]

If you think about it, the Afflalo trade isn't that farfetched. Getting rid of Afflalo and Davis actually open up playing time for Oladipo at the 2. In addition, they have better cap flexibility next year instead of waiting for 2016. Smith is also a great fix next to Vuc.

For us, Duh. Afflalo is a no brainer. He can even play the 3 and we might actually be a good defensive team....

But its not happening.

How is greg Monroe a better fit next to Drummond over josh smith?

[HeroicKennedy]

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

when did Jerebko sign his deal? it would be nice if we could at least amnesty him this off-season.

I don't really see the point. You'd only be saving $4.5 million.

Edit: Oh yeah, his deal was signed AFTER the new CBA was put in place.

[joseph mamah]

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

when did Jerebko sign his deal? it would be nice if we could at least amnesty him this off-season.

I don't really see the point. You'd only be saving $4.5 million.

Edit: Oh yeah, his deal was signed AFTER the new CBA was put in place.

4.5s better than 0.0. take that and scrap together another 2 or 3 million and wed have enough to add a decent wing to the rotation.

[sc8581]

The fact that we didn't amnesty Gordon or Villanueva is mind-boggling.

when did Jerebko sign his deal? it would be nice if we could at least amnesty him this off-season.

I don't really see the point. You'd only be saving $4.5 million.

That could be a big difference though if it were possible, assuming Billups isn't back it would allow us to go after a SF like Ariza and still maybe add some more perimeter defense with a guy like Avery Bradley.

[Clarity]

I have been impressed with Jennings playmaking at times, but overall I think he's a 3rd guard at best on a good team. I would prefer a guy like Felton or Andre Miller over the next 2 years until we find a long-term solution, I just believe they make guys around them better and Jennings doesn't. Kyle Lowry would be a nice addition if we could land him this summer assuming he doesn't want crazy money of course.

You know how I feel about Monroe, basically he's more valuable to other teams especially for the money he will demand.

Felton is the opposite of what we need, hes worse than Jennings at the bad stuff.. You know I love Andre, father time is grabbing him as we speak though. No doubt about it, he makes players around him better though, not even debatable.

Lowry will want & get bigger money. Re Monroe, I dont see a realistic trade option out there which would be swapped with Monroe that makes us better for the next 5-7 years. I've seen the Afflalo/Monroe swap. That would break bball rule #1, never trade a skilled big for a skilled wing. Plus theres no way on Earth we are a better team with Afflalo as our #1 option than Monroe as our #1 option. & I am a huge Afflalo fan. I would love to get Afflalo back here.

A Monroe/Drummond front line just doesnt fall in your lap like it has for us, especially at 23 & 20. 3-5 years down the line that could be the most unstoppable force in bball. Monroe is already a well above average scorer on the block & facing up & we all know Drummond's potential. I've seen Dwight's Magic teams mentioned as a comparison but Dwight never had a Monroe next to him. If we can find something special on the wing & then sign some shooters this could be a special team in a few years.



Its why I was so adamant about doing what Joe did last Summer.

[Clarity]

How is greg Monroe a better fit next to Drummond over josh smith?

A. Age

B. Play

[ComboGuardCity]

How is greg Monroe a better fit next to Drummond over josh smith?

A. Age

B. Play

C. IQ

D. Character

[sfballa13]

I still think New York is the best landing spot for Josh Smith because they are desperate to show Carmelo they are a winning team.

What about this blockbuster, New York goes all in:

Amare, Felton, Bargnani, Hardaway Jr, Shumpert, (Prigioni / Udrih)

for

Jennings, Smith, Stuckey, Singler, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome

We get rid of our bench trash, get a redo on Jennings / Smith, fire Joe Dumars once and for all, and wait till next year, when Bargs and Amare become 33M expirings, to make our move. More importantly we solve our hole at 3 as Shumpert is more than capable of playing SF. Hardway Jr, Bargs, Amare could make up a solid bench unit. Even with this lineup, we still could make the playoffs with how bad the East is, thus giving the Bobcats the pick and not worrying about losing it the following year.

Felton / (Prigioni / Urdih)
KCP / Hardaway JR
Shumpert / Bargnani
Monroe / Amare
Drummond / Harrelson

Meanwhile New York goes for the 3rd seed in the East and tries to make a run for the ECF. Look how deep they would be. So deep that I think they could legitimately challenge Miami if JR Smith and Melo both get hot. Smith and Chandler would be deadly down low. New York would also have tons of assets on cheap deals to move in a JR Smith deal if necessary.

Jennings - Prigioni / Udrih - Bynum
JR Smith - Stuckey - Singler
Melo - Artest - Datome
Josh Smith - KMart
Chandler - Aldrich

[Phenomenonsense]

I still think New York is the best landing spot for Josh Smith because they are desperate to show Carmelo they are a winning team.

What about this blockbuster, New York goes all in:

Amare, Felton, Bargnani, Hardaway Jr, Shumpert, (Prigioni / Udrih)

for

Jennings, Smith, Stuckey, Singler, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome

We get rid of our bench trash, get a redo on Jennings / Smith, fire Joe Dumars once and for all, and wait till next year, when Bargs and Amare become 33M expirings, to make our move. More importantly we solve our hole at 3 as Shumpert is more than capable of playing SF. Hardway Jr, Bargs, Amare could make up a solid bench unit. Even with this lineup, we still could make the playoffs with how bad the East is, thus giving the Bobcats the pick and not worrying about losing it the following year.

Felton / (Prigioni / Urdih)
KCP / Hardaway JR
Shumpert / Bargnani
Monroe / Amare
Drummond / Harrelson

Meanwhile New York goes for the 3rd seed in the East and tries to make a run for the ECF. Look how deep they would be. So deep that I think they could legitimately challenge Miami if JR Smith and Melo both get hot. Smith and Chandler would be deadly down low. New York would also have tons of assets on cheap deals to move in a JR Smith deal if necessary.

Jennings - Prigioni / Udrih - Bynum
JR Smith - Stuckey - Singler
Melo - Artest - Datome
Josh Smith - KMart
Chandler - Aldrich

Tell me someone too slow to play PF isn't playing SF for us off the bench.

[momed11]

I still think New York is the best landing spot for Josh Smith because they are desperate to show Carmelo they are a winning team.

What about this blockbuster, New York goes all in:

Amare, Felton, Bargnani, Hardaway Jr, Shumpert, (Prigioni / Udrih)

for

Jennings, Smith, Stuckey, Singler, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome

We get rid of our bench trash, get a redo on Jennings / Smith, fire Joe Dumars once and for all, and wait till next year, when Bargs and Amare become 33M expirings, to make our move. More importantly we solve our hole at 3 as Shumpert is more than capable of playing SF. Hardway Jr, Bargs, Amare could make up a solid bench unit. Even with this lineup, we still could make the playoffs with how bad the East is, thus giving the Bobcats the pick and not worrying about losing it the following year.

Felton / (Prigioni / Urdih)
KCP / Hardaway JR
Shumpert / Bargnani
Monroe / Amare
Drummond / Harrelson

Meanwhile New York goes for the 3rd seed in the East and tries to make a run for the ECF. Look how deep they would be. So deep that I think they could legitimately challenge Miami if JR Smith and Melo both get hot. Smith and Chandler would be deadly down low. New York would also have tons of assets on cheap deals to move in a JR Smith deal if necessary.

Jennings - Prigioni / Udrih - Bynum
JR Smith - Stuckey - Singler
Melo - Artest - Datome
Josh Smith - KMart
Chandler - Aldrich

Tell me someone too slow to play PF isn't playing SF for us off the bench.

Better than smith, but still need a legit sf. Hopefully something like this happens.

[ComboGuardCity]

When looking through the hypothetical lineups and you can't tell which team is which after the trade, there's zero chance of it actually happening.