Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

[knickabocker88]

Look at all these Keyboard Scouts in here

Who knew when the Knicks decided to resemble something that looked like a coherent offense that Shumpert was going to look better.

He might not be able to take a step back fadeaway like JR Smith & his finishing is still suspect but he's got this season and years 4-9 to improve his game ... & I hope it's with the Knicks.

[Damas]

Look at all these Keyboard Scouts in here

Who knew when the Knicks decided to resemble something that looked like a coherent offense that Shumpert was going to look better.

He might not be able to take a step back fadeaway like JR Smith & his finishing is still suspect but he's got this season and years 4-9 to improve his game ... & I hope it's with the Knicks.

Years 4-9? With the way he played his season he won't last 3 years into the league. I will say it again so people will understand the situation of Shumpert and how close his career could have tailed down to oblivion. Say we did the Kyle Lowry trade and we included Shump in the trade. Shump would barely get any minutes in Toronto and be on the bench for most of the game. Then when the time comes up to resign him they let him go and he goes to the minimum for team who needs depth. His career could have fizzled out if he went there, hell any team with guard depth. But the Knicks have such terrible guards, Shumpert is forced to play out there. NY is his ideal situation and if he doesn't turn it around and gets traded he will be in the back burner.

Not many teams are as patient as the knicks and so the kid should be praying to the gods he has a chance like this. Only us Knicks fan would settle for mediocrity and say "give it a couple of years....."

[blueNorange]

Look at all these Keyboard Scouts in here

Who knew when the Knicks decided to resemble something that looked like a coherent offense that Shumpert was going to look better.

He might not be able to take a step back fadeaway like JR Smith & his finishing is still suspect but he's got this season and years 4-9 to improve his game ... & I hope it's with the Knicks.

Years 4-9? With the way he played his season he won't last 3 years into the league. I will say it again so people will understand the situation of Shumpert and how close his career could have tailed down to oblivion. Say we did the Kyle Lowry trade and we included Shump in the trade. Shump would barely get any minutes in Toronto and be on the bench for most of the game. Then when the time comes up to resign him they let him go and he goes to the minimum for team who needs depth. His career could have fizzled out if he went there, hell any team with guard depth. But the Knicks have such terrible guards, Shumpert is forced to play out there. NY is his ideal situation and if he doesn't turn it around and gets traded he will be in the back burner.

Not many teams are as patient as the knicks and so the kid should be praying to the gods he has a chance like this. Only us Knicks fan would settle for mediocrity and say "give it a couple of years....."

this post ... dear lord

[Bill Pidto]

Look at all these Keyboard Scouts in here

Who knew when the Knicks decided to resemble something that looked like a coherent offense that Shumpert was going to look better.

He might not be able to take a step back fadeaway like JR Smith & his finishing is still suspect but he's got this season and years 4-9 to improve his game ... & I hope it's with the Knicks.

Years 4-9? With the way he played his season he won't last 3 years into the league. I will say it again so people will understand the situation of Shumpert and how close his career could have tailed down to oblivion. Say we did the Kyle Lowry trade and we included Shump in the trade. Shump would barely get any minutes in Toronto and be on the bench for most of the game. Then when the time comes up to resign him they let him go and he goes to the minimum for team who needs depth. His career could have fizzled out if he went there, hell any team with guard depth. But the Knicks have such terrible guards, Shumpert is forced to play out there. NY is his ideal situation and if he doesn't turn it around and gets traded he will be in the back burner.

Not many teams are as patient as the knicks and so the kid should be praying to the gods he has a chance like this. Only us Knicks fan would settle for mediocrity and say "give it a couple of years....."

You just said a whole bunch of absolute nonsense based on no facts at all. Much of it, nearly unintelligible. With such conviction, too.

Great job!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Lessons as always:
-Have patience with young players. They all go through slumps.
-Don't overrate them because you will be disappointed when they don't become stars right away
-Its a long season, a long career. Don't judge everything game by game, minute by minute.
-HAVE PATIENCE

Now, just enjoy Shump for what he is and not so much what you think he may become. Right now he's playing like a solid all around player and the type of player that you want on your team.

[K_ick_God]

Smith - Was playing AMAZING all of last year.

This is very much false. He had a lot of deep valleys last year too -- they're just longer and more sustained now and he's not having the hot games anymore.

He had some productive games when Melo was out of the lineup last year, and then finished the season strong because he started driving and wanted to get his paycheck.

That was followed by a total nosedive in the playoffs.

And in every other period during the 12-13 season, he was very hot & cold and had a ton of bad games.

[Jheri Curl]

He's thriving because he's doing the things he's good at which is spotting up from 3. Do that and get out on the break and he'll get his points. But a iso guy he is not. Maybe he'll get to the point where he is average at shooting off the dribble and a average finisher but for now just focus on 3s and D. That and they finally remembered what ball movement and making shots can do for you.

[Damas]

Look at all these Keyboard Scouts in here

Who knew when the Knicks decided to resemble something that looked like a coherent offense that Shumpert was going to look better.

He might not be able to take a step back fadeaway like JR Smith & his finishing is still suspect but he's got this season and years 4-9 to improve his game ... & I hope it's with the Knicks.

Years 4-9? With the way he played his season he won't last 3 years into the league. I will say it again so people will understand the situation of Shumpert and how close his career could have tailed down to oblivion. Say we did the Kyle Lowry trade and we included Shump in the trade. Shump would barely get any minutes in Toronto and be on the bench for most of the game. Then when the time comes up to resign him they let him go and he goes to the minimum for team who needs depth. His career could have fizzled out if he went there, hell any team with guard depth. But the Knicks have such terrible guards, Shumpert is forced to play out there. NY is his ideal situation and if he doesn't turn it around and gets traded he will be in the back burner.

Not many teams are as patient as the knicks and so the kid should be praying to the gods he has a chance like this. Only us Knicks fan would settle for mediocrity and say "give it a couple of years....."

You just said a whole bunch of absolute nonsense based on no facts at all. Much of it, nearly unintelligible. With such conviction, too.

Great job!

If you aren't going to have a discussion then don't quote me. Poumpous pricks who don't say of anything of value are just a waste of time.

[Bill Pidto]

Years 4-9? With the way he played his season he won't last 3 years into the league. I will say it again so people will understand the situation of Shumpert and how close his career could have tailed down to oblivion. Say we did the Kyle Lowry trade and we included Shump in the trade. Shump would barely get any minutes in Toronto and be on the bench for most of the game. Then when the time comes up to resign him they let him go and he goes to the minimum for team who needs depth. His career could have fizzled out if he went there, hell any team with guard depth. But the Knicks have such terrible guards, Shumpert is forced to play out there. NY is his ideal situation and if he doesn't turn it around and gets traded he will be in the back burner.

Not many teams are as patient as the knicks and so the kid should be praying to the gods he has a chance like this. Only us Knicks fan would settle for mediocrity and say "give it a couple of years....."

You just said a whole bunch of absolute nonsense based on no facts at all. Much of it, nearly unintelligible. With such conviction, too.

Great job!

If you aren't going to have a discussion then don't quote me. Poumpous pricks who don't say of anything of value are just a waste of time.

Just a little bit of irony there, but ok, I'll let you do your thing.

[three2theD]

Time for a lot of you to admit this kid plain sucks! He had two good games and everyone proclaims he's back, as if Chumpert was ,in any period of time during his career, a good player. Dude has never been a good player in his career, and never will be. I'll trade him for a second rounder any day of the week.

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

Iman is one of the pieces I would keep including hardaway jr and Melo everyone else gtfo! Everyone forgets how his thunderous dunks have turned around games while bringing the garden crowd to their feet. He's our best defender and along with hardaway jr has the most potential. Shump couldn't shoot a lick coming into the league now he's a bonafide 3 pt threat. He's finding his game and missed half a year with a major knee injury. Trading a young guy who hasn't reached his prime is exactly what Dolan would do. DONT TRADE YOUNG TALENT look at Portland or golden state or Indiana or Oklahoma City all those teams have young talent that they built on. And we mentioned Shump is struggling right now so at this moment ur going to be getting the worst value for him that's a double mistake. You're not only giving up a young talent ur also giving him away for less than fair value. NO THANKS!

[liknicks7]

Iman is one of the pieces I would keep including hardaway jr and Melo everyone else gtfo! Everyone forgets how his thunderous dunks have turned around games while bringing the garden crowd to their feet. He's our best defender and along with hardaway jr has the most potential. Shump couldn't shoot a lick coming into the league now he's a bonafide 3 pt threat. He's finding his game and missed half a year with a major knee injury. Trading a young guy who hasn't reached his prime is exactly what Dolan would do. DONT TRADE YOUNG TALENT look at Portland or golden state or Indiana or Oklahoma City all those teams have young talent that they built on. And we mentioned Shump is struggling right now so at this moment ur going to be getting the worst value for him that's a double mistake. You're not only giving up a young talent ur also giving him away for less than fair value. NO THANKS!

Shump is always struggling though.. And he's not a 3 point threat. I'd rather not trade him either but he's part of the worst backcourt in the NBA.

[K_ick_God]

He seems uncoached and suffering from the lack of discipline/system on this team but as of now, he just looks like a total bum.

And his yelling whenever he does something good has soured me. It's J.R. Jr. type stuff and doesn't speak well of his approach to the game.

[thebuzzardman]

He's a 4th guard on a decent team. Nice to have, cares and plays D, otherwise just not that good.

[GONYK]

He seems uncoached and suffering from the lack of discipline/system on this team but as of now, he just looks like a total bum.

And his yelling whenever he does something good has soured me. It's J.R. Jr. type stuff and doesn't speak well of his approach to the game.

He doesn't need coaching or discipline to knock down open jumpers or handle the ball. The dude dribbles like a 5th grader, and he has no one but himself to blame for that.

I really like Shump, and would not throw him on the trash pile yet. He has a fire in him that I appreciate. At the same time, he didn't take the steps he needed to this offseason, and it shows. Perhaps his injury slashed his workout time, but still, a lot of his struggles are his own fault at this point. They are both mental and physical.

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

How about the fact that the coach calls plays that Melo holds the ball 80% of the possessions id be pissed off if I was Iman too. If we suck we might as well play the youngens gimme Murray Hardaway Jr and Shump let's have some fun while we lose instead if playing guys like Udrih JR and Felton.

[Damas]

He's a 4th guard on a decent team. Nice to have, cares and plays D, otherwise just not that good.

There are 4th guards?

[NOOB77]

How about the fact that the coach calls plays that Melo holds the ball 80% of the possessions id be pissed off if I was Iman too. If we suck we might as well play the youngens gimme Murray Hardaway Jr and Shump let's have some fun while we lose instead if playing guys like Udrih JR and Felton.

What offensive skill of Imans would you like the coach to call plays on offense for? He can't dribble drive. He isn't good at running off multiple screens for a jump shot he can't handle the ball on the break he can't break down a defense to create for others His offensive skill set is to stand in the corner and shot a wide open 3 which 90% of the time is created by the dreaded Melo ISO.

Shump didn't not improve one individual basketball skill in the offseason. That had nothing to do with Woodson that has to do with Shumps work ethic.

[iHeartKNicks]

Iman receives entirely too much flak here. Iman thrives when theres ball movement in the offense, its not a coincidence that Iman is playing bad in a stagnant offense. When we started moving the ball Shump's play improved, when the ball movement stopped his play declined. When is it time to be honest about Ray Felton & JR Smith?

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

How about the fact that the coach calls plays that Melo holds the ball 80% of the possessions id be pissed off if I was Iman too. If we suck we might as well play the youngens gimme Murray Hardaway Jr and Shump let's have some fun while we lose instead if playing guys like Udrih JR and Felton.

What offensive skill of Imans would you like the coach to call plays on offense for? He can't dribble drive. He isn't good at running off multiple screens for a jump shot he can't handle the ball on the break he can't break down a defense to create for others His offensive skill set is to stand in the corner and shot a wide open 3 which 90% of the time is created by the dreaded Melo ISO.

Shump didn't not improve one individual basketball skill in the offseason. That had nothing to do with Woodson that has to do with Shumps work ethic.

I would love to hear what you think of David Lee because pretty much you described what he was the first couple of years in the league and now hes a 20 and 10 guy.

Shump works well with ball movement he cuts to the basket and he has the ability to finish strong with a thunderous dunk. If you want to complain about someone pick out Chandler. The guy never finishes ever. Hes so weak, he hasnt gotten better, he hasnt played good defense, he hasnt stayed healthy and oh by the way he gets paid top dollar.

i dont understand why there is so much hate on Shump. He's extremely limited by the horrible PG play, the 0 effort JR has made, the horrible effort Chandler has put up. How do you expect to develop a player where the coach doesnt hold JR responsible for anything. I dont understand what happened to the play calling...every possession is Melo dribbling down to 3 seconds left and either shooting or making someone else shoot with 1 second left. Please tell me what player could develop in that system??? Or just 1 player who developed while with the Knicks in the last decade?????