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Post #421 » by **Icness** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 3:12 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Mariota over Winston in 2015? I think that's a little bit bold.

Mariota's wheels will get him the nod. Better at throwing under distress too, has a lot of Andrew Luck to him in that regard.

Post #422 » by **gswhoops** » Tue Jan 7, 2014 9:46 pm

I'm guessing that if Mariota had declared this year then, he'd be the concensus #1 pick?

Post #423 » by **Icness** » Wed Jan 8, 2014 1:43 am

gswhoops wrote:I'm guessing that if Mariota had declared this year then, he'd be the concensus #1 pick?

Good question. I think there would have been a lot of debate between him and Bridgewater. Doubt Bortles would be a serious consideration if Mariota was around, but now I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bortles goes #1. Not that I agree with that, but I can see it.

Post #424 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 8, 2014 3:36 pm

Icness wrote:
gswhoops wrote:I'm guessing that if Mariota had declared this year then, he'd be the concensus #1 pick?

Good question. I think there would have been a lot of debate between him and Bridgewater. Doubt Bortles would be a serious consideration if Mariota was around, but now I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bortles goes #1. Not that I agree with that, but I can see it.

What is the argument for Bortles ahead of Bridgewater?

Post #425 » by **Icness** » Wed Jan 8, 2014 4:08 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Icness wrote:
gswhoops wrote:I'm guessing that if Mariota had declared this year then, he'd be the concensus #1 pick?

Good question. I think there would have been a lot of debate between him and Bridgewater. Doubt Bortles would be a serious consideration if Mariota was around, but now I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bortles goes #1. Not that I agree with that, but I can see it.

What is the argument for Bortles ahead of Bridgewater?

He's white and fits the prototypical QB mold better to some. Not picked apart yet like Teddy has been by critics looking too hard.

hermes · Post #426 » by **hermes** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:20 pm

icness,

who are some hawkeyes that are likely to get drafted? i saw fiedorowicz in the second round of your last mock, can any others get their named called? will all three linebackers go (morris, kirksey and hitchens)?

hermes · Post #427 » by **hermes** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:23 pm

my other question is about qbs, it seems that bridgewater, bortles, manziel and carr make up the top tier guys and are likely to be gone by pick 10. so who makes up the next tier guys and when would you expect them to go?

Charles Lee Ray · Post #428 » by **Charles Lee Ray** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Icness wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Icness wrote:
Good question. I think there would have been a lot of debate between him and Bridgewater. Doubt Bortles would be a serious consideration if Mariota was around, but now I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bortles goes #1. Not that I agree with that, but I can see it.

What is the argument for Bortles ahead of Bridgewater?

He's white and fits the prototypical QB mold better to some. Not picked apart yet like Teddy has been by critics looking too hard.

OMG him being white has nothing to do with it, bottles is a better athlete and has a much stronger build to handle the NFL. He also looks like a great leader. Believe me no one in the NFL is paying attention to skin color, its about winning and millions of dollars are on the line. SMH

Charles Lee Ray · Post #429 » by **Charles Lee Ray** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:26 pm

hermes wrote:my other question is about qbs, it seems that bridgewater, bortles, manziel and carr make up the top tier guys and are likely to be gone by pick 10. so who makes up the next tier guys and when would you expect them to go?

The next guy imo is mettenberger. He's a big guy with a strong arm and seems intelligent enough. He's also faced the toughest competition and succeeded. There are questions about him like his ACL injury and his prior legal troubles but I think his talent makes him the 5th QB to go.

He could sneak into the first, if not he surely gets grabbed in round 2. McCellroy doesn't have the physical skills to be an NFL starter but a team may just take him in round 2 based on his name. The final guy I have and really like is Jimmy Garapollo from eastern IL. He's a small school guy but he has the tools to maybe be somebody on the next level. He looks like a solid 2nd round pick.

Smith from wyoming and fales from sj state are the other guys rising now. I have them ahead of mccellroy but behind garrapolo

Post #430 » by **Icness** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:00 pm

hermes wrote:icness,

who are some hawkeyes that are likely to get drafted? i saw fiedorowicz in the second round of your last mock, can any others get their named called? will all three linebackers go (morris, kirksey and hitchens)?

Fiedorowicz is a 2nd/3rd rounder. Doesn't help him that other guys like Klassen and Amaro declared.

Kirksey is the best of the LBs IMO. He and Morris are both 4th/5th rounders. Morris can work in a 3-4 or a 4-3 so that helps him. Good instincts.

Hitchens is pretty small and not real fast. Looks like a good collegian, nothing more.

If B.J. Lowery runs well, and I don't think he will, he could crack the 7th round.

Post #431 » by **Icness** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:06 pm

hermes wrote:my other question is about qbs, it seems that bridgewater, bortles, manziel and carr make up the top tier guys and are likely to be gone by pick 10. so who makes up the next tier guys and when would you expect them to go?

I would bet that all four are gone by the 9th pick. Buffalo and Detroit are 9 and 10 and they're not taking QBs.

Really the next team that might even consider a 1st round QB is Tennessee at 11, then ARI at 20. I don't see the Titans doing that though, not sure ARI will either.

Next tier of guys is Brett Smith, A.J. McCarron, David Fales, Zach Mettenberger, Aaron Murray, Jimmy Garoppolo in some order. I like McCarron the best out of that group but that days more about the others than it does me "liking" McCarron. I strongly suspect he'll be the 5th QB taken even though he chickened out of Senior Bowl week.

Oh, I forgot Logan Thomas. If he wows in Mobile in a couple of weeks, and he's going to, he's no worse than a top-of-3rd round pick. That's probably before any of the guys I listed other than McCarron and Smith.

Post #432 » by **gswhoops** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:38 pm

Charles Lee Ray wrote:
Icness wrote:He's white and fits the prototypical QB mold better to some. Not picked apart yet like Teddy has been by critics looking too hard.

OMG him being white has nothing to do with it, bottles is a better athlete and has a much stronger build to handle the NFL. He also looks like a great leader. Believe me no one in the NFL is paying attention to skin color, its about winning and millions of dollars are on the line. SMH

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/research ... icit-bias/

Charles Lee Ray · Post #433 » by **Charles Lee Ray** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:41 am

gswhoops wrote:
Charles Lee Ray wrote:
Icness wrote:He's white and fits the prototypical QB mold better to some. Not picked apart yet like Teddy has been by critics looking too hard.

OMG him being white has nothing to do with it, bottles is a better athlete and has a much stronger build to handle the NFL. He also looks like a great leader. Believe me no one in the NFL is paying attention to skin color, its about winning and millions of dollars are on the line. SMH

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/research ... icit-bias/

I don't have any unbeknownst bias I can assure you, bortles looks like a leader to me from the way he talks in interviews and his actions not because he's white. Maybe some have that, but if you're implying I do you're barking up the wrong tree girl friend.

A question I have though is why do so many have ebron ahead of amaro? Amaro is bigger and seems like the more dynamic receiver. Is his attitude that bad?

SpeedyG · Post #434 » by **SpeedyG** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:06 pm

Charles Lee Ray wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Charles Lee Ray wrote:
OMG him being white has nothing to do with it, bottles is a better athlete and has a much stronger build to handle the NFL. He also looks like a great leader. Believe me no one in the NFL is paying attention to skin color, its about winning and millions of dollars are on the line. SMH

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/research ... icit-bias/

I don't have any unbeknownst bias I can assure you, bortles looks like a leader to me from the way he talks in interviews and his actions not because he's white. Maybe some have that, but if you're implying I do you're barking up the wrong tree girl friend.

A question I have though is why do so many have ebron ahead of amaro? Amaro is bigger and seems like the more dynamic receiver. Is his attitude that bad?

What makes you say that Bortles is a better athlete than Bridgewater?

Post #435 » by **Icness** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:09 pm

A question I have though is why do so many have ebron ahead of amaro? Amaro is bigger and seems like the more dynamic receiver. Is his attitude that bad?

I like Amaro more, he's been my #1 TE all year.

I was at their bowl game in Houston in '12 where he essentially started a brawl by himself against Minnesota, so I've seen him at his worst. He came out of the locker room looking to start a war, mouthing off during warmups, taunting guys after every snap.

I didn't see him in person in '13 (moved to Michigan) but I did see several of his games including coach's tape vs. TAMU and Oklahoma. He still talks a lot but he's toned it down a little.

One of the things that impressed me so much is his presence. He's a big dude and he carries himself like a big man. Just his posture and body language and the way he moves, it's like watching a young Tony Gonzalez.

He can't block very well but you're not drafting him to block, you're drafting him to catch 75 passes and score 8 TDs every year. And I firmly believe he'll do that.

Ebron really improved a lot in '13, but I still like Amaro better. Ebron is a little more slippery getting off the line and maybe a half-step faster down the field, and that's going to appeal to some teams. I know the Lions will have interest at 10 overall.

Charles Lee Ray · Post #436 » by **Charles Lee Ray** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:39 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Charles Lee Ray wrote:
gswhoops wrote:http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/research ... icit-bias/

I don't have any unbeknownst bias I can assure you, bortles looks like a leader to me from the way he talks in interviews and his actions not because he's white. Maybe some have that, but if you're implying I do you're barking up the wrong tree girl friend.

A question I have though is why do so many have ebron ahead of amaro? Amaro is bigger and seems like the more dynamic receiver. Is his attitude that bad?

What makes you say that Bortles is a better athlete than Bridgewater?

He looks to be the better runner and does so with about an extra 30 pounds on him.

Post #437 » by **Icness** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:17 pm

I'm at Shrine Week all week so if you have any questions about guys here send em on. Great access to players, agents & scouts here. Maybe Ted Thompson will flip me off again this year8-)

Charles Lee Ray · Post #438 » by **Charles Lee Ray** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:11 pm

Icness wrote:I'm at Shrine Week all week so if you have any questions about guys here send em on. Great access to players, agents & scouts here. Maybe Ted Thompson will flip me off again this year8-)

Ted flipped you off? id like to hear that story. Also how much separates the 2 big receivers in this draft evans and benjamin. Could these guys be in the marshall, alshon jeffrey calvin johnson mode potentially?

As for the shrine game I just want to hear some garrapolo updates. I think he's a guy with big potential who could make a jump to the top of the 2nd round if not the first. I'm just curious to know how your opinion changes of him while watching him one way or another.

Post #439 » by **Icness** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:47 am

My Ted Thompson interaction:

Last year I was leaving practice and heading back to the hotel, and Thompson was a passenger in the car next to me. I like my music loud so I cranked it up and when they pulled up next to me at a light, he looked over and was like "what the hell is wrong with you" and gave me the sly middle finger sliding down the side of his face. I guess he doesn't like European power metal...

My notes from today:
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/?p=2465

and
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/?p=2463

Garoppolo was definitively outshined by Jeff Matthews today. Really didn't see much that said "NFL QB" from JG; his deeper throws really tail off and dive down at the end. Has some bad mechanics that need fixing, that would help him. His weight transfer is lazy. Matthews looked legit, reminds me some of a more composed Mike Glennon with better velocity.

Post #440 » by **Icness** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:16 am

5 things I think I learned on 1st day of Shrine Week:
1. Most everyone will be shocked if the Rams actually pick at #2. If they do, it will be Greg Robinson, T, Auburn.

2. Biggest 1st round variable is the 4th QB, which is Derek Carr. Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles will be gone in the top 8. Carr could go as high as 8 or as low as 26 if draft were today.

3. Did not hear from one employed NFL scout that Mike Evans is a first round talent. Watch him fall to the 40s where he belongs IMO.

4. Jerry Glanville is still the Man in Black, and still awesome. That is fact.

5. The Cleveland Browns are a sad joke, and everyone loves laughing at Mike Lombardi. And I mean everyone.