2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

carey · Post #781 » by **carey** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:45 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Argue the facts, if you are going to continue to argue this.

I'm not making an accusation. It's a well known opinion. There are no clear facts suggesting they didn't tank. There are facts suggesting they did.

Exactly.

The Warriors were in real danger of losing the finale that year to the Spurs because they were sitting the big 3 so what did the Warriors do? Started 5 rookies: http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320426009 - There's nothing you can say that will convince me they wanted to win that game.

So how about the game before that against the Hornets? They were in real danger of winning that one. Up 3 after 3 quarters, so what did they do? Oh yeah, "Warriors rookie Klay Thompson had a team-high 16 points through three quarters but was benched for the fourth by rookie coach Mark Jackson." (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320424009)

Look, I don't know what you're deal is, maybe you don't like me, maybe you refuse to admit that tanking goes on in the NBA, or maybe you think Mark Jackson (the guy that cheated on his wife) is way too much of a stand up guy to do such a thing... there's just too much actual evidence suggesting they did lose games on purpose.

So there you go, that's me arguing the facts. You may now return to your regular eyeroll, RDR.

Post #782 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:47 pm

carey wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Argue the facts, if you are going to continue to argue this.

I'm not making an accusation. It's a well known opinion. There are no clear facts suggesting they didn't tank. There are facts suggesting they did.

Exactly.

The Warriors were in real danger of losing the finale that year to the Spurs because they were sitting the big 3 so what did the Warriors do? Started 5 rookies: http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320426009 - There's nothing you can say that will convince me they wanted to win that game.

So how about the game before that against the Hornets? They were in real danger of winning that one. Up 3 after 3 quarters, so what did they do? Oh yeah, "Warriors rookie Klay Thompson had a team-high 16 points through three quarters but was benched for the fourth by rookie coach Mark Jackson." (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320424009)

Look, I don't know what you're deal is, maybe you don't like me, maybe you refuse to admit that tanking goes on in the NBA, or maybe you think Mark Jackson (the guy that cheated on his wife) is way too much of a stand up guy to do such a thing... there's just too much actual evidence suggesting they did lose games on purpose.

So there you go, that's me arguing the facts. You may now return to your regular eyeroll, RDR.

Great post!

RunDogGun · Post #783 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:56 pm

carey wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Argue the facts, if you are going to continue to argue this.

I'm not making an accusation. It's a well known opinion. There are no clear facts suggesting they didn't tank. There are facts suggesting they did.

Exactly.

The Warriors were in real danger of losing the finale that year to the Spurs because they were sitting the big 3 so what did the Warriors do? Started 5 rookies: http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320426009 - There's nothing you can say that will convince me they wanted to win that game.

So how about the game before that against the Hornets? They were in real danger of winning that one. Up 3 after 3 quarters, so what did they do? Oh yeah, "Warriors rookie Klay Thompson had a team-high 16 points through three quarters but was benched for the fourth by rookie coach Mark Jackson." (http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?id=320424009)

Look, I don't know what you're deal is, maybe you don't like me, maybe you refuse to admit that tanking goes on in the NBA, or maybe you think Mark Jackson (the guy that cheated on his wife) is way too much of a stand up guy to do such a thing... there's just too much actual evidence suggesting they did lose games on purpose.

So there you go, that's me arguing the facts. You may now return to your regular eyeroll, RDR.

I haven't said anything to lead you to believe I dislike you, yet you have made some disparaging remarks towards me.

By your comments, you are saying that Marc Jackson was in on this fix, and he purposely lost those games.

Who was their big three? Curry was injured after the March eleventh game, and did not play the rest of the six weeks of the season. Are you saying he or the team faked his injury? Yet did not fake it when it happened numerous times in his first three years? Lee faked his groin injury and missed the final two weeks of the season? Yet didn't fake it the next year, because they were in the playoffs?

The Wolves have been in danger of winning ten games this season, and often haven't gone with Love for the final shot, are they also tanking or is Adelman purposely trying to lose games?

Gortat had a few great games where he was killing it throughout three quarters, yet sat out the fourth, or was brought in with only minutes left in the game, same with Goran. Are you also implying that Gentry was told to lose those games, or purposely did so on his own?

RunDogGun · Post #784 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:05 pm

Also, if you look at that game against the Hornets, GS was up by three to start the quarter, and at the two minute mark, they were up by five with Thompson sitting on the bench the whole time. Did you fail to mention that Rush was 6-9 that game and was playing that fourth quarter. Could it be that the coach was happy with how his team was playing, and did not feel the need to make a change? And if Marc was throwing the game, why call a timeout after Belineli hits a three with 1:46 remaining? Just for show? Or the 20 second timeout when Wright gets called for goal tending?

Your so called facts have holes, and paint such a small part of the picture.

Revived · Post #785 » by **Revived** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:06 pm

How about the time that we benched Dragic vs Utah late in the season so that Utah can win to take #8 spot while we get LAL's lotto pick?

Kinda interesting how we benched him right when we played the team that LAL was competing with for the playoff spot. Even Jazz fans knew that's what we were doing.

Herr are some other examples of tanking

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... rc=desktop

RunDogGun · Post #786 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:09 pm

And how about us losing the previous game against Utah with both Goran and Gortat starting? :roll:

And correct me if I'm wrong, but did Utah get the eighth spot because of our loss?

Post #787 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:12 pm

So because David Lee had a groin injury one year, that definitely means he had a groin injury the year before? This is absurd. Once they even listed it as an abdominal strain. They couldn't even stay consistent.

Revived · Post #788 » by **Revived** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:12 pm

Utah had a higher chance of getting the #8 spot cause they got a free win and if Houston didn't choke vs LAL in that game in LA, then yes we would have got the #14 pick in the draft.

carey · Post #789 » by **carey** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:12 pm

SF88 wrote:How about the time that we benched Dragic vs Utah late in the season so that Utah can win to take #8 spot while we get LAL's lotto pick?

Yeah, I mentioned that.

RunDogGun · Post #790 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:So because David Lee had a groin injury one year, that definitely means he had a groin injury the year before? This is absurd. Once they even listed it as an abdominal strain. They couldn't even stay consistent.

Ok, you are joking right? :lol:

Absurd would be to claim that their players faked injuries, with zero proof to back yourself up.

The groin and abdomen are so close together, it's even hard for some doctors to diagnose correctly.
http://www.healthline.com/symptom/groin-pain

Revived · Post #791 » by **Revived** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:18 pm

The Los Angeles Lakers are not expected to take on a salary that takes away future cap space for the summer of 2015.

The Lakers remain interested in trading Pau Gasol, but have been very ambitious in their asking price.

Kevin Love is the Lakers' most probable target that offseason.

"Everyone knows" Love wants to sign with the Lakers, said an Eastern Conference executive.

- WT

Post #792 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:19 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:So because David Lee had a groin injury one year, that definitely means he had a groin injury the year before? This is absurd. Once they even listed it as an abdominal strain. They couldn't even stay consistent.

Ok, you are joking right? Absurd would be to claim that their players faked injuries, with zero proof to back yourself up.

RunDogGun · Post #793 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:24 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:So because David Lee had a groin injury one year, that definitely means he had a groin injury the year before? This is absurd. Once they even listed it as an abdominal strain. They couldn't even stay consistent.

Ok, you are joking right? Absurd would be to claim that their players faked injuries, with zero proof to back yourself up.

Not sure what you are laughing at? So you are saying you have proof to your accusations? Or are you laughing because it's the only thing you can do, because you don't? :wink:

carey · Post #794 » by **carey** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:32 pm

He's laughing cause you went and looked up symptoms of an abdominal strain.

Post #795 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:35 pm

I'm laughing because the guy in the room rolling his eyes at everyone else and their thoughts, might be the one who is delusional.

INFORMER-93 · Post #796 » by **INFORMER-93** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:35 pm

Am I the only one that thinks the playoff odds are completely pointless?

And I am very hesitant to play the tanking card, but even I think the GSW tanked to keep their pick from being sent to Utah.

RunDogGun · Post #797 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:36 pm

carey wrote:He's laughing cause you went and looked up symptoms of an abdominal strain.

Actually you are wrong again. I posted that after he quoted me. But at least you are consistently wrong.

INFORMER-93 · Post #798 » by **INFORMER-93** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:38 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I've been watching hoops since the 80s and I truly don't remember a year with as many injuries to key players. It's crazy this yr.

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And the weird thing is that it seems like nearly every injury is happening to point guards. All of the Laker point guards, Bledsoe, Rose, Westbrook, Chris Paul, now Jrue Holiday. Plus, Rondo is still out. And I'm not even including Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Kyrie Irving because they're always injured.

RunDogGun · Post #799 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:38 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I'm laughing because the guy in the room rolling his eyes at everyone else and their thoughts, might be the one who is delusional.

Keep laughing, it's the only thing you've got.

But when you have some proof to back up your claims, I will gladly and respectfully discuss them.

RunDogGun · Post #800 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:41 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I've been watching hoops since the 80s and I truly don't remember a year with as many injuries to key players. It's crazy this yr.

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And the weird thing is that it seems like nearly every injury is happening to point guards. All of the Laker point guards, Bledsoe, Rose, Westbrook, Chris Paul, now Jrue Holiday. Plus, Rondo is still out. And I'm not even including Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Kyrie Irving because they're always injured.

They have the most usage of their team, and usually have to make hard cuts from half court to basket, which is why I was wondering if something different has been done to the courts in the last three years.