2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[King4Day]

I feel like I'm in the NBA forum with all the back and forth in this one.

[bwgood77]

I'm laughing because the guy in the room rolling his eyes at everyone else and their thoughts, might be the one who is delusional.

Keep laughing, it's the only thing you've got. But when you have some proof to back up your claims, I will gladly and respectfully discuss them.

Neither of us have proof one way or the other. These are opinions. You are one of the few who's opinion is that they were trying to win. Many of us suspect they were not. That's it.

[RunDogGun]

I'm laughing because the guy in the room rolling his eyes at everyone else and their thoughts, might be the one who is delusional.

Keep laughing, it's the only thing you've got. But when you have some proof to back up your claims, I will gladly and respectfully discuss them.

Neither of us have proof one way or the other. These are opinions. You are one of the few who's opinion is that they were trying to win. Many of us suspect they were not. That's it.

It is just because I have gone through every game of that season, and at no point did I find Marc purposely losing games. The players didn't throw games, so the only thing that would back your side, would be the FO deciding after 38-39 games to purposely losing games, not knowing whether the rookie coach, all of their players, and every team they did not play would comply.

But I'm not calling you delusional, I'm just discussing the facts that are known to us. I'm not making claims with zero proof, and using those as my facts.

[bwgood77]

It is just because I have gone through every game of that season, and at no point did I find Marc purposely losing games. The players didn't throw games, so the only thing that would back your side, would be the FO deciding after 33 games to purposely losing games, not knowing whether the rookie coach, all of their players, and every team they did not play would comply.

But I'm not calling you delusional, I'm just discussing the facts that are known to us. I'm not making claims with zero proof, and using those as my facts.

carey gave you a couple of prime examples. If you choose to ignore data given to you, so be it. But arguing against it is absurd.

[INFORMER-93]

Interesting ideas with the Bobcats though. Think they'd be interested in the Morrises for either target?

I think they would be interested in the Morris Twins, I just don't know if the interest level would be enough to deal MKG or Zeller.

[RunDogGun]

It is just because I have gone through every game of that season, and at no point did I find Marc purposely losing games. The players didn't throw games, so the only thing that would back your side, would be the FO deciding after 33 games to purposely losing games, not knowing whether the rookie coach, all of their players, and every team they did not play would comply.

But I'm not calling you delusional, I'm just discussing the facts that are known to us. I'm not making claims with zero proof, and using those as my facts.

carey gave you a couple of prime examples. If you choose to ignore data given to you, so be it. But arguing against it is absurd.

I didn't ignore them at all. I actually went through that fourth quarter and added the data he chose to ignore. I'm sorry you failed to see that.

But at least read what I write before you make accusations, thank you.

And as far as the Spurs game, who would guess Blair and Mills would go off, and rarely miss in the fourth? GS was only down by two starting the fourth, and lost by six. Pops teams are tough, no matter who is playing. Just ask Miami.

[bwgood77]

Am I the only one that thinks the playoff odds are completely pointless?

And I am very hesitant to play the tanking card, but even I think the GSW tanked to keep their pick from being sent to Utah.

No, I'm sure many do. I don't think they should be taken that seriously, but I think they at least use strength of schedule and margin of victory to project records going forward, as opposed to just asssuming a team that is 500 now will be 500 at the end of the season, etc.

But it doesn't take into account injuries, so teams like OKC, NO, LAC and us might be projected high and GS is probably projected low since they played much of their season without Iguodala and are like 17-3 with him.

I think the results will likely lie somewhere in between the current standings and the projections.

[Revived]

Wolves will not trade love this season now especially they are back on track for the playoffs...with Bledsoe injured.
They'll push hard this season and try to convince Love to stay.. If they still suck next season he will be traded by deadline to a team he desired and there should a list.

People keep saying this but I don't see it. They are on pace to miss it now so how will they be on track to make it?

No, they are currently projected to make it. http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

Eh I can't see Denver, Dallas and Memphis (who get Marc G back soon) all missing playoffs.

[RunDogGun]

And I am very hesitant to play the tanking card, but even I think the GSW tanked to keep their pick from being sent to Utah.

I could see that if I hadn't gone through all of the games and the facts. Very odd yes, and definitely sounds suspicious when looking at a few facts taken out of context of those games. But on a whole, nope, just very lucky.

For example, Curry missing half the season for an ankle injury sounds strange, until you realize it was 28 games over a six week period. Or 28 games in 44 days(March 13th-April 26)

I think too many don't take into account how short that season was, and how close together games were played. There were tons of injuries all over the league.

[gaspar]

Can we have a separate thread for this GSW tanking discussion?

[bwgood77]

Can we have a separate thread for this GSW tanking discussion?

I'm finished with it. Sorry to get back into it, but I saw he had attacked someone else who had stated their opinion on the issue.

[RunDogGun]

Can we have a separate thread for this GSW tanking discussion?

I'm finished with it. Sorry to get back into it, but I saw he had attacked someone else who had stated their opinion on the issue.

I didn't attack anyone.

[RunDogGun]

Can we have a separate thread for this GSW tanking discussion?

I'm finished with it. Sorry to get back into it, but I saw he had attacked someone else who had stated their opinion on the issue.

I didn't attack anyone.

Marc Jackson didn't tank games. Can we please stop saying this as it is fact. Shorten season, many many injuries, and one trade. Even if Barnes doesn't play a game, their starting lineup save Iggy is still from that team that lost many games. The only difference is they are all healthy now.

[carey]

I could see that if I hadn't gone through all of the games and the facts. Very odd yes, and definitely sounds suspicious when looking at a few facts taken out of context of those games. But on a whole, nope, just very lucky.

For example, Curry missing half the season for an ankle injury sounds strange, until you realize it was 33 games over a six week period. Or 33 games in 44 days(March 13th-April 26)

I think too many don't take into account how short that season was, and how close together games were played. There were tons of injuries all over the league.

My last post on the topic.

What you don't seem to get is I'm not accusing GS of a season long strategy to lose games. I realize they had some bad injuries that year and they wanted to bring them back slowly because of the condensed season and risk for injury.

What I am saying is that they got to the last week of the season, understood their predicament, realized that if they lost their last few games they'd at the very least tie the Nets & have a coin flip chance of keeping their pick. When you sit your best player in a game for an entire quarter and start 5 rookies in another game, one of which is a 10-day freakin' contract... you are trying to lose games.

Yes I know Thompsons replacement played well, I don't think any players were purposefully trying to lose games. I do think management put the team in a position to lose though.

Maybe it's good you see the best in people and you don't think that a team would do it. I, like most here, am a realist.

[RunDogGun]

My last post on the topic.

What you don't seem to get is I'm not accusing GS of a season long strategy to lose games. I realize they had some bad injuries that year and they wanted to bring them back slowly because of the condensed season and risk for injury.

What I am saying is that they got to the last week of the season, understood their predicament, realized that if they lost their last few games they'd at the very least tie the Nets & have a coin flip chance of keeping their pick. When you sit your best player in a game for an entire quarter and start 5 rookies in another game, one of which is a 10-day freakin' contract... you are trying to lose games.

Yes I know Thompsons replacement played well, I don't think any players were purposefully trying to lose games. I do think management put the team in a position to lose though.

Maybe it's good you see the best in people and you don't think that a team would do it. I, like most here, am a realist.

I respectfully disagree. You are still speculating as to what the team was thinking. You also charged Marc with losing games on purpose. In the Hornets game, I already pointed out that the team he had on the floor was doing well until the last two minutes. NOH happened to make two shots, and got a goal tending call from CWright, who grabbed two offensive rebounds in that last two minutes. Moreover Jackson called two timeouts within the last two minutes. In the end the Hornets won by a freakin goaltending call. Hardly any proof that Marc threw the game.

As for the last game, the Spurs were playing many of the deep bench players, and if Blair and Mills didn't go off in that game, and shoot the lights out in the fourth, GS would have won that game despite starting five rookies. Many teams evaluate their youth at the end of the season to see if they are worth keeping and/or putting effort into developing. Still not enough evidence to say that Marc is a cheater and dishonest.

I'll end it there. Keep in mind that I just asked you nicely not to say that about Marc. I didn't call you delusional or anything else for your opinion. I just presented the facts.

[carey]

'll end it there. Keep in mind that I just asked you nicely not to say that about Marc. I didn't call you delusional or anything else for your opinion. I just presented the facts.

Oh, if that's your issue then I can't help you. Mark IS dishonest and he IS a cheater. I find that reprehensible. Especially since he is a deeply religious man that should have taken his vows seriously. And it wasn't a one night thing, he did it for an entire year. Those are definite facts.

Edit: You're right, I shouldn't have called you delusional for sticking to your guns and refusing to see what I think is plainly obvious. It is somewhat open to interpretation because you can't judge intent without hearing it from the horse's mouth. I do think there is plenty of evidence that you can make a solid conclusion supporting my case, but... whatever.

[thamadkant]

There are no facts about who tanked or not tanked, it all subjective information and interpretation.

Unless you have tape recordings of the team talking and conspiring to purposely win or not win, these are all speculations.


With that said, I think GSW tactically affected their draft position by influencing the performance of the team that season in particular during the critical week where ladder final positions were being determined.

[RunDogGun]

'll end it there. Keep in mind that I just asked you nicely not to say that about Marc. I didn't call you delusional or anything else for your opinion. I just presented the facts.

Oh, if that's your issue then I can't help you. Mark IS dishonest and he IS a cheater. I find that reprehensible. Especially since he is a deeply religious man that should have taken his vows seriously. And it wasn't a one night thing, he did it for an entire year. Those are definite facts.

Edit: You're right, I shouldn't have called you delusional for sticking to your guns and refusing to see what I think is plainly obvious. It is somewhat open to interpretation because you can't judge intent without hearing it from the horse's mouth. I do think there is plenty of evidence that you can make a solid conclusion supporting my case, but... whatever.

There really wasn't any need to add the snide comments on top of it. I just simply explained what you skipped over, with basic facts of the case. Where if someone just glossed over the evidence presented half heartedly, I could see one coming to the opinions you and others have. But after being force to look deeper into it, the evidence is much greater supporting that they did what they could with the non injured players, and Marc did what many coaches do at the end of a non playoff season, and play his young guys to see who is quality. Nothing in this case is painfully obvious, which is why one would have to do more research, which I have.

[RunDogGun]

There are no facts about who tanked or not tanked, it all subjective information and interpretation.

Unless you have tape recordings of the team talking and conspiring to purposely win or not win, these are all speculations.


With that said, I think GSW tactically affected their draft position by influencing the performance of the team that season in particular during the critical week where ladder final positions were being determined.

Yet oddly winning one of their last three games, losing one by a goaltending call, and another by two players shooting the lights out in the fourth. Thems are some tactful mofos, knowing exactly what a whole other team would do.

[SaintEschaton]

What do you guys think about Montrezl Harrell, PF from Louisville? I think he would be great value with our first pick at 14 or later. He could give us that inside banger presence we direly need.