Frye was almost traded

Sunsdeuce · Post #1 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:21 am

Don't know if this is just bs but here you go.

"Phoenix Suns forward/center Channing Frye returned to the team after missing all of last season and has made his mark as a starter and a veteran presence, but Grantland's Zach Lowe reports his name was involved in trade talks earlier in the season.
More specifically, the Suns talked with the Houston Rockets about various three-team deals revolving around center Omer Asik, who was a starter last season but moved to the bench after the Rockets acquired Dwight Howard over the summer."

There is more in the article.
http://arizonasports.com/41/1691082/TRA ... lineInline

Glad the trade didn't happen. Should have been the morrii involved in the trade.

thamadkant · Post #2 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:35 am

It would be a first time ever if Another GM can out-trade Morey...

As good as McD has been so far.. Morey is stingy as they come...

I McD is too good of a value seeker for Morey to trade with.. Morey only trades when he comes out best.

Revived · Post #3 » by **Revived** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:56 am

Frye is very inconsistent and the fact that when he tries to shoot his way out of slumps instead of posting up and trying to get easy buckets is annoying but I don't think trading him for Asik would make much sense unless we had other plans for Len and Plumlee. Asik wants to start otherwise he will be pissed about it so whoever trades for him has to be able to give him a starting job.

thamadkant · Post #4 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:01 am

I think it would of been a 3-way..

Asik going somewhere else...

The deal probably looked good for Suns so Mory backed out lol.

Or simply Suns were playing well and McD decided to keep him instead.

Blackification · Post #5 » by **Blackification** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:08 am

Yup it was on the zach lowe article on grantland posted in the bledsoe thread. He said it was a three way around asik with him not coming back to the suns. And he mentioned it was more than one type of deal so it wasn't just one place he could have went to. Interesting but little details on the situation. I don't mind it cause its all in the past now

carey · Post #6 » by **carey** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:09 am

Blackification wrote:Yup it was on the zach lowe article on grantland posted in the bledsoe thread. He said it was a three way around asik with him not coming back to the suns. And he mentioned it was more than one type of deal so it wasn't just one place he could have went to. Interesting but little details on the situation. I don't mind it cause its all in the past now

It makes sense. I had a number of trade scenarios posted over that time with Frye going to Houston and Asik going elsewhere, like Portland and New Orleans. They clearly want a stretch 4 after failing to acquire Ryan Anderson from the Pelican'ts.

DirtyDez · Post #7 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:20 am

1UPZ wrote:It would be a first time ever if Another GM can out-trade Morey...

As good as McD has been so far.. Morey is stingy as they come...

I McD is too good of a value seeker for Morey to trade with.. Morey only trades when he comes out best.

McD is the new RC Buford. He doesn't make moves unless is over-the-top value...

-Roll player for a borderline all-star
-vet for a pick and franchise center
-expiring contract for a pick once our franchise center established himself in the preseason

Can't wait for the next one!

Blackification · Post #8 » by **Blackification** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:59 am

carey wrote:
Blackification wrote:Yup it was on the zach lowe article on grantland posted in the bledsoe thread. He said it was a three way around asik with him not coming back to the suns. And he mentioned it was more than one type of deal so it wasn't just one place he could have went to. Interesting but little details on the situation. I don't mind it cause its all in the past now

It makes sense. I had a number of trade scenarios posted over that time with Frye going to Houston and Asik going elsewhere, like Portland and New Orleans. They clearly want a stretch 4 after failing to acquire Ryan Anderson from the Pelican'ts.

Portland is probably the most likely thats a good prediction. They probably thought asik would be a big upgrade over rolo but then the suns and blazers probably realized their teams were playing out of their minds so why ruin it. Especially when the suns are that close to the rockets and rolo is giving the blazers good production without drama and for much less

Post #9 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:03 am

I'm glad Frye didn't get traded. He's very underrated, he's a great veteran presence, and he stretches out the floor very well. He still has a long way to go before he starts to decline because his game doesn't revolve around athleticism at all. I think a lot of people underrate his basketball IQ too.

Ring_Wanted · Post #10 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:21 pm

There is a number of teams that would benefit greatly from having Frye, the Suns included. His value has to be really high considering team and personal success, but I just want to keep him. He is not getting you a diamond, unless McD was capable of pulling another Bledsoe. If that was the case, you have to pull the trigger, but I wouldn't expect that result from every move McD makes.

We are not in the same position than at the start of the season, so expected returns in a trade need to reflect this. I think the kind of trade that shouldn't be considered is changing him for someone who can help now in a different role, like post scoring or reboudning (or a perimeter creator without Bledsoe). Something like this would essentially mean fixing a problem just to create another one.

Post #11 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:44 pm

I'm guessing when the Asik trade stuff was going on, the Suns were trying to send Frye to Houston and somehow get back Thad Young, by perhaps sending a pick to Philly and one to Houston or something like that.

I'm sure Houston would prefer Thad to Frye so for it to work for both teams, I imagine Houston would have needed a pick. But I also don't think Philly would have necessarily wanted Asik, so their was likely a potential fourth team involved.

This is obviously all speculation on my part, but we have heard rumblings now that we were trying to trade for Young during the Asik talk and now we've heard we were trying to trade Frye to Houston around the same time, but not to get bask Asik.

JDLAW · Post #12 » by **JDLAW** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:14 pm

Do not believe a word that moron, Lowe, says. Frye was not almost traded!!!

When Frye was coming back at the start of this season, he had no trade value. As the Suns took off, he became an integral part of the team on a good contract and there was no incentive to trade him. When Houston started really shopping Asik, in early to mid December, Frye was playing well and the Suns were in the midst of a 10-3 month. There was no incentive for the Suns to trade Frye and disrupt that. The Suns might have received a call from the 76ers (or another team) trying to acquire Asik to suck the Suns into some wonky 3-team trade to get Frye for the Rockets as incentive for giving up Asik, but McDonough and Hornacek were not about to bust the team up to give the Rockets a needed piece, while downgrading their position.

Like he often does, Lowe is simply picking this crap up out of behind.

NaturalBuns · Post #13 » by **NaturalBuns** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:21 pm

Frye is the 3rd most important player in this system we can't trade him

Post #14 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:57 pm

JDLAW wrote:Do not believe a word that moron, Lowe, says. Frye was not almost traded!!!

When Frye was coming back at the start of this season, he had no trade value. As the Suns took off, he became an integral part of the team on a good contract and there was no incentive to trade him. When Houston started really shopping Asik, in early to mid December, Frye was playing well and the Suns were in the midst of a 10-3 month. There was no incentive for the Suns to trade Frye and disrupt that. The Suns might have received a call from the 76ers (or another team) trying to acquire Asik to suck the Suns into some wonky 3-team trade to get Frye for the Rockets as incentive for giving up Asik, but McDonough and Hornacek were not about to bust the team up to give the Rockets a needed piece, while downgrading their position.

Like he often does, Lowe is simply picking this crap up out of behind.

He didn't really say he was almost traded, and it doesn't sound like he just pulled it out of his ass. I understand you are not a fan of Lowe, but he is saying he heard things from sources, and he's probably one of the more legit nba writers out there. (Ford on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he made things up all the time.)

they were ready to use Channing Frye, a crucial floor-spacer, in various three-team trades centered around Omer Asik, per several league sources familiar with those talks. (Phoenix would not have received Asik in those deals.)

I'm sure McD would trade Frye if the RIGHT deal came along for our present and future. That's not to say Frye isn't a very important piece to what we are doing right now though.

BurningHeart · Post #15 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:59 pm

Frye is more valuable to us than he is to any other team.

Glad he didn't get dealt, if it's true.

JDLAW · Post #16 » by **JDLAW** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:12 am

bwgood77 wrote:
JDLAW wrote:Do not believe a word that moron, Lowe, says. Frye was not almost traded!!!

When Frye was coming back at the start of this season, he had no trade value. As the Suns took off, he became an integral part of the team on a good contract and there was no incentive to trade him. When Houston started really shopping Asik, in early to mid December, Frye was playing well and the Suns were in the midst of a 10-3 month. There was no incentive for the Suns to trade Frye and disrupt that. The Suns might have received a call from the 76ers (or another team) trying to acquire Asik to suck the Suns into some wonky 3-team trade to get Frye for the Rockets as incentive for giving up Asik, but McDonough and Hornacek were not about to bust the team up to give the Rockets a needed piece, while downgrading their position.

Like he often does, Lowe is simply picking this crap up out of behind.

He didn't really say he was almost traded, and it doesn't sound like he just pulled it out of his ass. I understand you are not a fan of Lowe, but he is saying he heard things from sources, and he's probably one of the more legit nba writers out there. (Ford on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he made things up all the time.)

they were ready to use Channing Frye, a crucial floor-spacer, in various three-team trades centered around Omer Asik, per several league sources familiar with those talks. (Phoenix would not have received Asik in those deals.)

I'm sure McD would trade Frye if the RIGHT deal came along for our present and future. That's not to say Frye isn't a very important piece to what we are doing right now though.

Lowe is a fraud. Just as Ford, Bucher, Berger and Broussard are. It is way too easy to make up something and attribute it to sources. The whole scam is to increase circulation or hits to the website. More hits = more advertising dollars and more money in their pockets. It is nice you have respect for him, but I have nothing but contempt for them.

Post #17 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:27 am

JDLAW wrote:
Lowe is a fraud. Just as Ford, Bucher, Berger and Broussard are. It is way too easy to make up something and attribute it to sources. The whole scam is to increase circulation or hits to the website. More hits = more advertising dollars and more money in their pockets. It is nice you have respect for him, but I have nothing but contempt for them.

Yes, I understand internet revenue, and I also appreciate almost everything you contribute to this forum, but I disagree with you on Lowe's credibility. I think he is a fantastic read most all of the time. One of the few out there.

JDLAW · Post #18 » by **JDLAW** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:54 pm

I equally respect you and the positions you have taken. I will agree with you that Lowe is often an entertaining read, its just I find him to be a lot more fiction than fact. I 'll leave it at that.

As a fellow U of A alum and fan who seems to have more insight than I do, what is your feeling about Gordon being a "one and done?" I have seen him about 8 times this year and I think he needs at least one more year in college ball and I am hoping he stays another year.

Post #19 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:18 pm

I am guessing he is one and done if for no other reason than because of all the hype. I'd rather he stayed too. I think they all could stay another year. My fear is that like 4 of the guys try and enter the draft. If they fall short of winning it all, maybe they would all be motivated to come back.

I think most all of the top prospects should go back for another year. I think the nba, as a whole, and the college game (obviously) would be better if they had to play 2-3 years in college.

I get the feeling many nba fans feel that if they can get a guy like Jabari Parker, that he will immediately turn their team into a playoff contender, when the guy is having trouble leading Duke to wins against teams like Clemson.

INFORMER-93 · Post #20 » by **INFORMER-93** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:43 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I get the feeling many nba fans feel that if they can get a guy like Jabari Parker, that he will immediately turn their team into a playoff contender, when the guy is having trouble leading Duke to wins against teams like Clemson.

Well I think fans are smart enough to know that going from the lottery to the playoffs depends on a variety of factors. And the Clemson comment is a little weak.

I think most all of the top prospects should go back for another year.

Really?! Randle, Parker, and Wiggins are all ready to give meaningful contributions at the pro level.

I think you can never be sure how long it is going to take a player to acclimate to the NBA level. Steven Adams and Giannis Antetokoumnpo both looked incredibly raw, and yet they're making immediate impacts. The Morris Twins had three years of college and they've struggled to be regular contributors. Marcus couldn't do anything in his rookie season, where as Markieff hada great first month and then went down the drain until this season.