'14 Draft Thread pt 2: vote again? VOTE AGAIN.

[breakchains]

Larry Sanders can barely do anything 3 feet from the rim without travelling. Henson ONLY has a left hook shot, which is a nice shot, but that's literally all he has. Embiid is light years ahead of both players, and he has light years to go before he reaches his peak.

[skones]

Skones, you said you watch the Oklahoma game. Who did you think was the best player on KU in that game?

Perry Ellis.

I would have said Selden, but it is close. I just wanted to make sure you weren't going to say it was Wiggins.

I think I've been pretty clear with my opinion of Wiggins. No chance I would say that when he has a lackluster performance.

[randy84]

Over to the game thread. Here is hoping the Bucks have the opportunity to have such a dilemma on their hands.

[paulpressey25]

What difference does the learning curve make when you specifically stated that you could put him in the NBA tomorrow and he'd be a top 5 center? Particularly when you just agreed that there are 5 centers better than him, and whether you'd like to admit it or not, those other guys are likely better right now too. With Embiid you're likely looking at year 2 before he becomes a top 10 center and year 3 for top 5.

I'm talking a learning curve over the course of his rookie year. Put him on the Bucks today and he's going to take some time to get going. After 60-days though of his rookie year? I think he's going to be damn comfortable and more impactful than all but those top five guys.

And by the end of his rookie year, he's may not be more impactful than Dwight/Hibbert/Horford/Gasol, but whatever team he's on isn't going to trade him for any of those four. Anthony Davis? Different story. He's great and still ascending.

[Max Green]

Larry Sanders can barely do anything 3 feet from the rim without travelling. Henson ONLY has a left hook shot, which is a nice shot, but that's literally all he has. Embiid is light years ahead of both players, and he has light years to go before he reaches his peak.

Please, Henson & Sanders were doing everything offensively when they were in College as Embiid is doing now. Compare what they did in College to what Embiid is doing, don't compare them in the Pro's where the gap between defenses they are facing is enormous.

[breakchains]

Larry Sanders can barely do anything 3 feet from the rim without travelling. Henson ONLY has a left hook shot, which is a nice shot, but that's literally all he has. Embiid is light years ahead of both players, and he has light years to go before he reaches his peak.

Please, Henson & Sanders were doing everything offensively when they were in College as Embiid is doing now. Compare what they did in College to what Embiid is doing, don't compare them in the Pro's where the gap between defenses they are facing is enormous.

I hate to say it, because you mean well, but you are totally clueless.

[Baddy Chuck]

All those guys are very good at one thing or another, but if any of them were really that impactful, their team records would be much better.

Same could be said about Embiid/Kansas.

Hakeem after three years at Houston lost the NCAA title game to a pair of sub-six foot guards on NC State (Whittenberg and Sidney Lowe). The NCAA isn't designed for bigs. Shaq had three years at LSU and his teams lost 9, 10 and 10 games each year, and were bounced in the second, first and second rounds each year.

Anthony Davis was insanely impactful in college and he wasn't even a top 5 center last season.

I like Embiid, but the way you are talking him up is insane. He isn't dominating college competition, and yet you basically think he would in the NBA right now?! He has a ton of tools, but he hasn't come anywhere near putting them together consistently yet. I'm not saying he couldn't come in and give you good minutes, but there is no chance he's as impactful as even those fringe centers you quoted. He projects to me to be up there, but there is no chance he's there right now (or soon).

[mattg]

I think you guys are too sold on the fact embiid is guaranteed to become the best center in the nba. He's really good and has a ton of potential, but it's far from a guarantee he is the best in the nba.

I think he could walk into the NBA tomorrow and be top five.

Not even close. He doesn't play to contact nearly well enough right now to be even close to a top 5 nba center. Just because he flashes post moves and solid jumpshot form doesn't mean he's not raw. Not even counting the defensive end either. He's got the tools to be great, but he is still a ways away.

And please don't compare embiid to Davis. Davis is a better prospect by oh so much. Davis would easily go number 1 this year and it wouldn't be a discussion based on his college game. What we've seen from him in the nba has only confirmed that. Davis is in the Durant tier as a prospect. No one this year is that good.

[paulpressey25]

Anthony Davis was insanely impactful in college and he wasn't even a top 5 center last season.

Anthony Davis IMO is the number one center in the league. He was injured last year and we are only two-months into his second season. A point being that insane skill sets don't take years to develop.

And with Embiid, give it time. It is only January 11th. Let's see where Embiid is on March 11th.

[skones]

What difference does the learning curve make when you specifically stated that you could put him in the NBA tomorrow and he'd be a top 5 center? Particularly when you just agreed that there are 5 centers better than him, and whether you'd like to admit it or not, those other guys are likely better right now too. With Embiid you're likely looking at year 2 before he becomes a top 10 center and year 3 for top 5.

I'm talking a learning curve over the course of his rookie year. Put him on the Bucks today and he's going to take some time to get going. After 60-days though of his rookie year? I think he's going to be damn comfortable and more impactful than all but those top five guys.

And by the end of his rookie year, he's may not be more impactful than Dwight/Hibbert/Horford/Gasol, but whatever team he's on isn't going to trade him for any of those four. Anthony Davis? Different story. He's great and still ascending.

Well now you're completely changing your previous statement.

[mattg]

The embiid love train has gone off the rails. OMGz dreamshake $WAG. He made a 3 he's Afrikan Dirk!

[Baddy Chuck]

Anthony Davis was insanely impactful in college and he wasn't even a top 5 center last season.

Anthony Davis IMO is the number one center in the league. He was injured last year and we are only two-months into his second season. A point being that insane skill sets don't take years to develop.

And with Embiid, give it time. It is only January 11th. Let's see where Embiid is on March 11th.

Davis was basically Embiid's best every night with a HUGE impact on defense. College careers to date would heavily favor Davis, and even being injured last season he still wasn't one of the best centers. You quote how centers don't have an impact in the NCAA yet Davis was one of the most impactful NCAA players in recent history, Embiid hasn't come close to sniffing his jock. Embiid has skills obviously, but he hasn't come close to putting them together and being a huge impact night in and night out yet. The idea that a guy could dominate in the NBA when he isn't doing it in college is insane to me. He has the tools to do it, but even going back to your Giannis comparison he's hardly setting the league ablaze. They're light years away from being top 5 anything in the NBA.

Revisiting it in March 11, 2015 would make more sense to me. You're drafting Embiid on his potential.

[ConoverBucks]

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Dwight Howard - Agreed
Anthony Davis - Agreed
Marc Gasol - Agreed
Roy Hibbert - Agreed
Al Horford - Agreed

Now we get to the other guys.....

Joakim Noah
Nikola Pekovic
Demarcus Cousins
Andre Drummond
Nikola Vucevic

All those guys are very good at one thing or another, but if any of them were really that impactful, their team records would be much better. And all of those guys have been in the league a couple years at least. Noah is the one guy in that list, who I do think is extremely fundamentally sound and impactful. But the other guys? Eh, I'd take Embiid and take my chances, again with the caveat that the refs will haze the crap out of Embiid with phantom foul calls, as they do for most rookies.

If you watched Embiid in game one back in November, and then today, his learning curve is massive. This is not a guy people are going to have to wait years on to develop before he's considered a top five center.

I don't think it's fair to say they're not that impactful because their records aren't that great. Anthony Davis is a very impactful center, yet his team's record isn't that great.

[mattg]

Embiid his rookie year will likely have an impact something around what Steven Adams brings OKC this season.

[Baddy Chuck]

Embiid his rookie year will likely have an impact something around what Steven Adams brings OKC this season.

I think he's better then that. I'd probably say his first two years could look like Valanciunas.

[paulpressey25]

I understand I'm driving the Embiid high speed train here. I have no worries about derailment at the moment. He'll be on the highlight reels plenty of times next year IMO.

[LUKE23]

Really like Jerian Grant if he makes it to our 2nd rounder.

[bizarro]

I understand I'm driving the Embiid high speed train here. I have no worries about derailment at the moment. He'll be on the highlight reels plenty of times next year IMO.

PP, I'm glad I have an ally in the Lord Embiid royal court

We will help usher in the Embiid era...

[VooDoo7]

I understand I'm driving the Embiid high speed train here. I have no worries about derailment at the moment. He'll be on the highlight reels plenty of times next year IMO.

Yup. Provided he gets decent PT, where ever he goes. Which he should.

[ChuckBros4Life]

We can do an instant rebuild for the ages if we pick right.

First we take Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins
Then we get another mid to late first and pick Selden
Then we use our first 2nd round pick to get Deonte Burton (Eric Bledsoe 2.0)

PG -Burton. PG -Burton. PG -Burton
SG -Seldon. SG -Selden. SG -Selden
SF - Giannis. Or SF -Giannis. Or SF -Wiggins
PF - Henson. PF -Parker. PF - Giannis
C - Embiid. C. -Henson. C - Henson

1st line up looks best fitwise.