#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Ben Wallace and Asik were much more fluid in their basketball skills than Biyombo may ever be. He still seems timid and awkward. I haven't lost all hope yet on him, hes just not where I thought he would be. His hand eye coordination is horrible.

Early in their careers, I thought both Wallace & Asik lacked basketball skills too until they found a role & niche on their respective teams. It's all hindsight perception if you're going to tell me that Wallace or even Asik to a lesser extent looked like he would turn out to be the player that they ended up being within the first 3 years of their career

Wallace and Asik could catch a freaking post entry pass in the 6th grade, let alone their third year in the league. He still looks awkward boxing out for rebounds for Christ sake. He can jump high and block shots though. Ill give him that.

[Elden Payton]

Of all the players that deserve criticism, Biz is near or at the bottom imo.

Our coach is inflexible and acts like Biz is Bynuming his wife.

#FREEBIZ

#LETBIZEAT

[thruthefire]

He's improved a lot, but we need to see him play major minutes for an extended period of time to know where exactly he's at.

[mrknowitall215]

Ben Wallace and Asik were much more fluid in their basketball skills than Biyombo may ever be. He still seems timid and awkward. I haven't lost all hope yet on him, hes just not where I thought he would be. His hand eye coordination is horrible.

Early in their careers, I thought both Wallace & Asik lacked basketball skills too until they found a role & niche on their respective teams. It's all hindsight perception if you're going to tell me that Wallace or even Asik to a lesser extent looked like he would turn out to be the player that they ended up being within the first 3 years of their career

Wallace and Asik could catch a freaking post entry pass in the 6th grade, let alone their third year in the league. He still looks awkward boxing out for rebounds for Christ sake. He can jump high and block shots though. Ill give him that.

I think you just view Biyombo through a smudged magnifying glass being that he's a part of your favorite team. Every player has a glaring flaw if you watch him enough. Biyombo's just happen to be catching the ball, but he's gotten better at it even though he's no Jerry Rice. He's improved dramatically as a rebounder, awkward or not, he's been getting the results. This is all a part of gradually improving, and he's doing so. There's going to be growing pains. You can't expect him to go from a project to a finished product that soon without showing signs of his former flaws in between the progression

[Marvel]

I really wish Biz was playing more minutes so you can at least be justified in your criticism of him, but the wayThe Cliff has been treating him this season by killing his development and minutes progression we should cut the guy some slack.

[LamarMatic7]

Ben Wallace and Asik were much more fluid in their basketball skills than Biyombo may ever be. He still seems timid and awkward. I haven't lost all hope yet on him, hes just not where I thought he would be. His hand eye coordination is horrible.

Early in their careers, I thought both Wallace & Asik lacked basketball skills too until they found a role & niche on their respective teams. It's all hindsight perception if you're going to tell me that Wallace or even Asik to a lesser extent looked like he would turn out to be the player that they ended up being within the first 3 years of their career

I would have to agree with KnowItAll in this matter. Ben Wallace and Asik never have looked completely fluid to me, much less when they were in their third seasons. Washington's Ben Wallace could pretty much only catch an offensive rebound and put it back in (pretty much Biz's offensive description as of now). Asik developed into a competent pick-n-roll player only in Houston and you still have to cringe from time to time at his awkward moves.

I don't think he'll get there since Wallace was one heck of a defensive player but we are on a similar path. The team is becoming defensive-minded while Biz's strengths and body reminds me of Ben Wallace. Will we win a title as a defensive juggernaut with Biz manning the middle? Most likely not. But Biyombo has become better and is on the right path. I just hope for the guy's sake that we don't give up on him and he doesn't get traded as a throw-in to a franchise that doesn't play defense, has no long-term plan and treats him as throw-in 8min energy guy. Then he just might end up being out of the league after his next contract ends.

[Eoghan]

Biz had a bad game against Chicago, I'll give anybody that. It's got to be frustrating for him b/c with the limited minutes his fouls and goofs are magnified.

I definitely echo everyone disagreeing with Liver Pooty in here, everything has been well rebutted. His post defense and rim protection has been near elite these past few games though, and if they gave out an award for setting screens he'd be in the running, no doubt. It was nice to see him lock down Taj Gibson after Taj had his way all game with McBob and Al.

[catch20two]

Biz should start. That's my petition.

[JDR720]

Biz can guard the PF just fine there isn't that many good stretch 4's he'll have to guard

[JDR720]

Starters
PG-Kemba
SG-Gerald
SF-MKG
PF-Biz
C-Al

2nd unit
PG-Sess
SG-Gordon
SF-Tolliver
PF-McBob
C-Zeller

it makes to much sense

[catch20two]

Starters
PG-Kemba
SG-Gerald
SF-MKG
PF-Biz
C-Al

2nd unit
PG-Sess
SG-Gordon
SF-Tolliver
PF-McBob
C-Zeller

it makes to much sense

We would be OKC lite. But I like it.

[HornetJail]

OKC-Lite? Who's our scorer?

[LamarMatic7]

OKC-Lite? Who's our scorer?

Gerald + Al + First Rounder = Jeremy Lamb.

[catch20two]

OKC-Lite? Who's our scorer?

That's why I said "lite" because we wouldn't be quite as good. But Hendo/Jefferson being better scorers than Sefolosha/Perkins make up some of the ground we loss with Kemba/MKG not being up to par with Westbrook/Durant. Kemba is our scoring PG like Westbrook. MKG is our default #2 pick SF to Anthony Davis like Durant was to Oden. Biz is our African shotblocker like Ibaka. Jefferson is our slow footed former Celtics big like Perkins. Hendo is something like Sefolosha and Lamb put together. Sessions is our backup PG that don't pass like Reggie Jackson. McBob is our Collison. We're OKC-lite.

[thruthefire]

OKC-Lite? Who's our scorer?

That's why I said "lite" because we wouldn't be quite as good. But Hendo/Jefferson being better scorers than Sefolosha/Perkins make up some of the ground we loss with Kemba/MKG not being up to par with Westbrook/Durant. Kemba is our scoring PG like Westbrook. MKG is our default #2 pick SF to Anthony Davis like Durant was to Oden. Biz is our African shotblocker like Ibaka. Jefferson is our slow footed former Celtics big like Perkins. Hendo is something like Sefolosha and Lamb put together. Sessions is our backup PG that don't pass like Reggie Jackson. McBob is our Collison. We're OKC-lite.

LOL, you put that together pretty well. Plus we have Cho instead of Presti.

[Xerxes_Tetra]

I really don't get why the Bobcats give McRoberts so many minutes rather than having Biyombo or Zeller play those minutes at the 4. McRoberts is not a starter talent and never will be. Of course neither are Biyombo or Zeller but the Bobcats invested two lottery picks in those guys. Unfortunately I think Biyombo is destined to be a defensive role player coming off the bench rather than the Wallace/Sanders player everyone was hoping for. But at least play the guy and Zeller too. :/

[mrknowitall215]

I really don't get why the Bobcats give McRoberts so many minutes rather than having Biyombo or Zeller play those minutes at the 4. McRoberts is not a starter talent and never will be. Of course neither are Biyombo or Zeller but the Bobcats invested two lottery picks in those guys. Unfortunately I think Biyombo is destined to be a defensive role player coming off the bench rather than the Wallace/Sanders player everyone was hoping for. But at least play the guy and Zeller too. :/

I think you'll see Cody Zeller replace Josh McRoberts in the starting lineup sooner than too much later. McRoberts started out the season looking like a very serviceable player for about the first month or so, but he's beginning to wear out his welcome as starter lately, reverting back into the player many thought he was, which is a solid reserve

As far as Bismack Biyombo, the new coach, Clifford, view him as strictly a center, and refuse to put him on the floor alongside Al Jefferson no matter what. Biyombo & Jefferson hasn't played a single minute this season on the floor together. Clifford is a mighty stubborn game manager that doesn't adjust or try unique combinations much

[JDR720]

hopefully when we're in hardcore tank mode Cliff will start to experiment with lineups

[Snidely FC]

If we're gonna lose to chitty teams anyway there is NO EXCUSE for a Biz DNPCD. Yes, he's a flawed player. That's why he need playing time. Could understand if we were winning with veteran players. We're not.

[catch20two]

That's the thing. Clifford is trying to win. He's not trying to lose. This is just an example of how bad he is with lineups, rotations, and adjustments. Clifford is starting to remind me of Dunlap and I want to blame Silas Jr. for probably feeding him bad information from the previous years.