Bulls Label Current State As 'Retooling' Instead Of 'Rebuild'

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Bulls Label Current State As 'Retooling' Instead Of 'Rebuild' 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:48 pm

The Chicago Bulls refuse to call the current state of the team a "rebuild."


The Bulls traded away Luol Deng in a deal that saved money and allowed the team to acquire multiple draft assets. Unless the Bulls become players in free agency with cap space, it is difficult to envision the team being in as good of a position to compete for a title next season.


“It’s always difficult,’’ Gar ­Forman said of the decision to send Deng to the Cleveland Cavaliers. “There’s a human element to any transition you make.


“I’ve heard people say it’s a ­rebuild. It’s not a rebuild. I consider it more of a retooling.’’


The Bulls will be able to avoid the repeater tax due to their move for Andrew Bynum.


“By getting out of the tax this year, it will give us the ability to go back into the tax in future years when we feel we have a team that’s capable or continuing to build towards that championship,’’ Forman said.

Via Joe Cowley/Chicago Sun-Times

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Post#2 » by themeccamsg » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:26 pm

PR stunt. Bulls will be having a firesale soon, selling every asset possible to get draft picks and improve their lottery standing. Thibodeau will be out the door soon and DRose will likely demand a trade this summer - and I don't blame him.
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Post#3 » by Fresh360Waves » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:54 pm

Why would they fire one of the best head coaches in the NBA? And D-Rose is going nowhere buddy.
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Post#4 » by themeccamsg » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:21 pm

Fresh360Waves wrote:Why would they fire one of the best head coaches in the NBA? And D-Rose is going nowhere buddy.


They won't fire him, he will want out. There are already report he is about to be hired by the Knicks. And star players demand where they want to play. If the Bulls rebuild do you think you DRose will want to stick around? Not likely.
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Post#5 » by Whopper_Sr » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:30 pm

Fresh360Waves wrote:Why would they fire one of the best head coaches in the NBA? And D-Rose is going nowhere buddy.


"One of the best head coaches in the NBA" who is solely responsible for ruining Rose's career. (I'm sure you know what I'm referring to)
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Post#6 » by SteveNizzy » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:33 pm

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Fresh360Waves wrote:Why would they fire one of the best head coaches in the NBA? And D-Rose is going nowhere buddy.


They won't fire him, he will want out. There are already report he is about to be hired by the Knicks. And star players demand where they want to play. If the Bulls rebuild do you think you DRose will want to stick around? Not likely.


Tib laughs at you. Also Bulls have a chance to get a good draft pick this year and bring more talent to this team. No one will offer rose a more money than what bulls will offer him, its his home town too. And if I'm wrong NO HE WILL NOT BE COMING TO THE KNICKS
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Re: Bulls Label Current State As 'Retooling' Instead Of 'Reb 

Post#7 » by ReturnofMVP3 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:06 pm

RealGM Wiretap wrote:“By getting out of the tax this year, it will give us the ability to go back into the tax in future years when we feel we have a team that’s capable or continuing to build towards that championship,’’ Forman said.Via Joe Cowley/Chicago Sun-Times


So they are saying they couldn't win a championship this year with the current core or even next year when Rose returned? That core with a healthy rose was close to going to the Finals :-?. It always will come down to money with them I believe and that is unfortunate for their fans.
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Re: Bulls Label Current State As 'Retooling' Instead Of 'Reb 

Post#8 » by MagicFan32 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:15 pm

i can't buy much more stock into derrick rose, even before he got hurt he was not playing well. they need to blow it up and build like they aren't getting MVP derrick back and hope for the best
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Post#9 » by Indomitable » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:22 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:i can't buy much more stock into derrick rose, even before he got hurt he was not playing well. they need to blow it up and build like they aren't getting MVP derrick back and hope for the best

Who cares?

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Post#10 » by MagicFan32 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:23 pm

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Post#11 » by Indomitable » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:26 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:i can't buy much more stock into derrick rose, even before he got hurt he was not playing well. they need to blow it up and build like they aren't getting MVP derrick back and hope for the best

Who cares what you think?

it's an opinion forum idiot, good luck building a team around someone with bad knees who put up a sub 11 PER when he played this year. wake up and smell the coffee

I know you guys are experts on ruining careers. Grant Hill says hi.

Worry about your own moribund franchise. All you are the Florida pathetic team.

2 franchise centers in 15 years. Zero Championships. Worry about your team.
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Post#12 » by Fresh360Waves » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:33 pm

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Fresh360Waves wrote:Why would they fire one of the best head coaches in the NBA? And D-Rose is going nowhere buddy.


They won't fire him, he will want out. There are already report he is about to be hired by the Knicks. And star players demand where they want to play. If the Bulls rebuild do you think you DRose will want to stick around? Not likely.

Can't believe everything you hear, but I see what you're saying. Chicago needs to go after Melo however. Perfect fit for Melo. Defensive-minded coach that can work with a player who struggles on the defensive end.
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Post#13 » by TheBenchMob » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:04 am

MagicFan32 wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:i can't buy much more stock into derrick rose, even before he got hurt he was not playing well. they need to blow it up and build like they aren't getting MVP derrick back and hope for the best

Who cares what you think?

it's an opinion forum idiot, good luck building a team around someone with bad knees who put up a sub 11 PER when he played this year. wake up and smell the coffee




the heat did it (Dwane Wade) so can we

and we still have a 6 seed
no Rose
no Deng
no Bench Mob

why dont you worry about trading off Jameer Nelson and letting teh Mgaic fully devolop Oladipo

the Bulls have been makin it to the playoffs since 05 we'll be AIGHT
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Post#14 » by TheBenchMob » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:17 am

themeccamsg wrote:PR stunt. Bulls will be having a firesale soon, selling every asset possible to get draft picks and improve their lottery standing. Thibodeau will be out the door soon and DRose will likely demand a trade this summer - and I don't blame him.




Tibs isn't goin anywhere and the Bulls wont move him

and if you remember a little while ago Reggie Rose was sayin that they were pissed because the Bulls haven't made any moves.
and Derricks not going anywhere no one will want his contract....who's gonna wan't his contract and he hasn't played in 2 seasons?

Bulls have said already there gonna amnesty Boozer and probably trade away Taj Gibson

2015 is when we can Bring Nikola Mirotic over and or trade his rights, with a decent draft pick maybe pick up another PG cause the warriors are already interested in Kirk Heinrich

ya Boy MELO just might make his way to the Bulls in the off season.....Melo's a possible i wouldn't rule it out

2012-------------------2015
Rose------------------Rose
Hamilton------------Butler
Deng-----------------Melo?
Boozer--------------Mirotic
Noah-----------------Noah


maybe its not the players this time that might make Melo move....Maybe its the organization & Coaching staff hes after. we did make it to the east just a few years ago and making it past the 2nd round with our Rose. Imagine what we could do with Melo...
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Post#15 » by TheBenchMob » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:19 am

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themeccamsg wrote:PR stunt. Bulls will be having a firesale soon, selling every asset possible to get draft picks and improve their lottery standing. Thibodeau will be out the door soon and DRose will likely demand a trade this summer - and I don't blame him.




Tibs isn't goin anywhere and the Bulls wont move him

and if you remember a little while ago Reggie Rose was sayin that they were pissed because the Bulls haven't made any moves.
and Derricks not going anywhere no one will want his contract....who's gonna wan't his contract and he hasn't played in 2 seasons?

Bulls have said already there gonna amnesty Boozer and probably trade away Taj Gibson

2015 is when we can Bring Nikola Mirotic over and or trade his rights, with a decent draft pick maybe pick up another PG cause the warriors are already interested in Kirk Heinrich

ya Boy MELO just might make his way to the Bulls in the off season.....Melo's a possible i wouldn't rule it out

2012-------------------2015
Rose------------------Rose
Hamilton------------Butler
Deng-----------------Melo?
Boozer--------------Mirotic
Noah-----------------Noah


maybe its not the players this time that might make Melo move....Maybe its the organization & Coaching staff hes after. we did make it to the east just a few years ago and making it past the 2nd round with our Rose. Imagine what we could do with Melo...



2nd round without***** Rose
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Post#16 » by Temuhjan » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:39 am

TheBenchMob wrote:
themeccamsg wrote:PR stunt. Bulls will be having a firesale soon, selling every asset possible to get draft picks and improve their lottery standing. Thibodeau will be out the door soon and DRose will likely demand a trade this summer - and I don't blame him.




Tibs isn't goin anywhere and the Bulls wont move him

and if you remember a little while ago Reggie Rose was sayin that they were pissed because the Bulls haven't made any moves.
and Derricks not going anywhere no one will want his contract....who's gonna wan't his contract and he hasn't played in 2 seasons?

Bulls have said already there gonna amnesty Boozer and probably trade away Taj Gibson

2015 is when we can Bring Nikola Mirotic over and or trade his rights, with a decent draft pick maybe pick up another PG cause the warriors are already interested in Kirk Heinrich

ya Boy MELO just might make his way to the Bulls in the off season.....Melo's a possible i wouldn't rule it out

2012-------------------2015
Rose------------------Rose
Hamilton------------Butler
Deng-----------------Melo?
Boozer--------------Mirotic
Noah-----------------Noah


maybe its not the players this time that might make Melo move....Maybe its the organization & Coaching staff hes after. we did make it to the east just a few years ago and making it past the 2nd round with our Rose. Imagine what we could do with Melo...


I agree Melo will be a great fit in Chicago. But will he take less money to get a shot at the ring? Melo is currently on $21m per season. I think the Bulls will only offer a 4-yr contract at $14m per (same as DRose) with 4th year non-/partially-guaranteed. That's a whopping 33% pay cut.
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Post#17 » by TheBenchMob » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:31 am

Temuhjan wrote:
TheBenchMob wrote:
themeccamsg wrote:PR stunt. Bulls will be having a firesale soon, selling every asset possible to get draft picks and improve their lottery standing. Thibodeau will be out the door soon and DRose will likely demand a trade this summer - and I don't blame him.




Tibs isn't goin anywhere and the Bulls wont move him

and if you remember a little while ago Reggie Rose was sayin that they were pissed because the Bulls haven't made any moves.
and Derricks not going anywhere no one will want his contract....who's gonna wan't his contract and he hasn't played in 2 seasons?

Bulls have said already there gonna amnesty Boozer and probably trade away Taj Gibson

2015 is when we can Bring Nikola Mirotic over and or trade his rights, with a decent draft pick maybe pick up another PG cause the warriors are already interested in Kirk Heinrich

ya Boy MELO just might make his way to the Bulls in the off season.....Melo's a possible i wouldn't rule it out

2012-------------------2015
Rose------------------Rose
Hamilton------------Butler
Deng-----------------Melo?
Boozer--------------Mirotic
Noah-----------------Noah


maybe its not the players this time that might make Melo move....Maybe its the organization & Coaching staff hes after. we did make it to the east just a few years ago and making it past the 2nd round with our Rose. Imagine what we could do with Melo...


I agree Melo will be a great fit in Chicago. But will he take less money to get a shot at the ring? Melo is currently on $21m per season. I think the Bulls will only offer a 4-yr contract at $14m per (same as DRose) with 4th year non-/partially-guaranteed. That's a whopping 33% pay cut.


sometimes it isn't all about money

Lebron and Wade took less money to give to Bosh
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Re: Bulls Label Current State As 'Retooling' Instead Of 'Reb 

Post#18 » by Temuhjan » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:07 am

TheBenchMob wrote:
Temuhjan wrote:
TheBenchMob wrote:Tibs isn't goin anywhere and the Bulls wont move him

and if you remember a little while ago Reggie Rose was sayin that they were pissed because the Bulls haven't made any moves.
and Derricks not going anywhere no one will want his contract....who's gonna wan't his contract and he hasn't played in 2 seasons?

Bulls have said already there gonna amnesty Boozer and probably trade away Taj Gibson

2015 is when we can Bring Nikola Mirotic over and or trade his rights, with a decent draft pick maybe pick up another PG cause the warriors are already interested in Kirk Heinrich

ya Boy MELO just might make his way to the Bulls in the off season.....Melo's a possible i wouldn't rule it out

2012-------------------2015
Rose------------------Rose
Hamilton------------Butler
Deng-----------------Melo?
Boozer--------------Mirotic
Noah-----------------Noah


maybe its not the players this time that might make Melo move....Maybe its the organization & Coaching staff hes after. we did make it to the east just a few years ago and making it past the 2nd round with our Rose. Imagine what we could do with Melo...


I agree Melo will be a great fit in Chicago. But will he take less money to get a shot at the ring? Melo is currently on $21m per season. I think the Bulls will only offer a 4-yr contract at $14m per (same as DRose) with 4th year non-/partially-guaranteed. That's a whopping 33% pay cut.


sometimes it isn't all about money

Lebron and Wade took less money to give to Bosh


Which begs the question: Would Anthony accept less money to win?

LeBron James doesn't have the answer to that one, speaking to ESPN before the Knicks-Heat game on Thursday, Jan 9 .

"I recommend it to me. It fit me," James said of taking a pay cut, "What I do don’t work for everybody."

If winning truly matters to Anthony, and he wants to increase his list of potential landing spots or give the Knicks added flexibility, what James did in 2010 may be what he needs to do this summer.
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Post#19 » by MagicFan32 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:54 am

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MagicFan32 wrote:I know you guys are experts on ruining careers. Grant Hill says hi.

Worry about your own moribund franchise. All you are the Florida pathetic team.

2 franchise centers in 15 years. Zero Championships. Worry about your team.

and this somehow invalidates my opinions? you're a weak troll, continue please.
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I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.
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Post#20 » by MagicFan32 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:57 am

TheBenchMob wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:
Indomitable wrote:Who cares what you think?

it's an opinion forum idiot, good luck building a team around someone with bad knees who put up a sub 11 PER when he played this year. wake up and smell the coffee




the heat did it (Dwane Wade) so can we

and we still have a 6 seed
no Rose
no Deng
no Bench Mob

why dont you worry about trading off Jameer Nelson and letting teh Mgaic fully devolop Oladipo

the Bulls have been makin it to the playoffs since 05 we'll be AIGHT

1. wade never tore his ACL, and then came right back and tore his meniscus
2. to ignore rose's performance is at your own risk, why would anyone believe he will return to where he was?
3. it would be smarter to plan w/o rose being a major impact player and be pleasantly surprised if he does do well.
4. i'm not the gm, i'm allowed to have an opinion, y'all are a sensitive bunch.
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I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.

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