Lots of tanks to...

[tugs]

Spelling Mr. Kaman's surname as "Kamen" is starting to annoy me.

[moonpie]

Both the Magic and Celtics lost tonight darn.

[TonyMontana]

I'm sure you guys know the difference between tanking and flat out sucking. So with that being said, how are we tanking? Stop posting threads like this since it spreads like wildfire on every board about this team and franchise intentionally tanking WHICH WE NEVER HAVE DONE THAT. We have been hit with A LOT of injuries and a coach that sucks balls. F.O built this team with hopes of 2014. It doesn't mean we are tanking.

Teams like Nets Knicks etc are tanking. They have the talent necessary to win but they're not. Its easy to see who is tanking and who's not. We're not.

How are the Nets or Knicks tanking? Neither team owns their own pick, so you think they are losing on purpose just so Denver will get a top prospect?

So you opened up an account and decided to join yesterday and this was your first post. Interesting and welcome to our board. lol

But to answer your question, yes I am very well aware of the fact that they traded their 2014 and 2016 first-round pick in the Carmelo Anthony deal. It will go to either the Nuggets ( 4 first rounders) or the Magic, depending on where the Knicks finish in the standings. Im also aware of the fact that is not protected.

Im also aware Brooklyn will convey the less favorable of its 2014 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2014 1st round pick to Boston.

To me a team intentionally losing is tanking, whether for picks or for whatever reason it may be. They are losing on purpose. Watching two talented teams like the Nets and Knicks which in the beginning of the season were considered to be contenders play and losing to the worst teams every night is just ridiculous. Like I said to me tanking "playing to lose".
It could also be an attitude thing or an ego problem. Sort of like they know they are going to lose anyway so might as well they set themselves by not doing anything or the little things and playing as if they already lost.

Like Tiesto Lakers said earlier they are in the E/C and it clearly seems like they are trying to not make it to the playoffs.

By the way you should log on with your regular account and come back. Who ever you are.

[DEEP3CL]

You can tank all you want but that doesn't mean we will get a great draft pick. This is why I am against tanking. Remember the Bostons Celtics the year Tim Duncan declared for the draft. Didn't work out of for them did it. Cleveland is the last team I remember tanking and getting the player they hoped for in 2003. I'm not liking our odds when we still have a handful of teams who will have more ping pong balls than us.

No one said tanking will turn the organization around, but it's definitely a much better option than getting the 8th seed and getting crushed in the 1st round. Also, tanking and getting the 11th or 12th seed is much better than getting the 9th seed since nothing was lost.

At this point, you do what's best for the organization in the long run, because we have no one who can turn us into contenders overnight.

You my friend don't get it, why is it so bad to make the playoffs even if you are an 8th seed ? Making the playoffs gives the team a better indication of where they stand and how the team should be rebuilt. You guys kill me with thinking that losing on purpose ( which is what tanking is ) will make this team better instantly. It won't, it's takes time for even a young pick to develop.

Stop telling yourself it's a better option.....it's not, nor will the Lakers even concoct such lame idea.

[dockingsched]

why in the world would the nets or knicks be tanking, jesus christ this board sometimes.

[Tiesto_Lakers]

You can tank all you want but that doesn't mean we will get a great draft pick. This is why I am against tanking. Remember the Bostons Celtics the year Tim Duncan declared for the draft. Didn't work out of for them did it. Cleveland is the last team I remember tanking and getting the player they hoped for in 2003. I'm not liking our odds when we still have a handful of teams who will have more ping pong balls than us.

No one said tanking will turn the organization around, but it's definitely a much better option than getting the 8th seed and getting crushed in the 1st round. Also, tanking and getting the 11th or 12th seed is much better than getting the 9th seed since nothing was lost.

At this point, you do what's best for the organization in the long run, because we have no one who can turn us into contenders overnight.

You my friend don't get it, why is it so bad to make the playoffs even if you are an 8th seed ? Making the playoffs gives the team a better indication of where they stand and how the team should be rebuilt. You guys kill me with thinking that losing on purpose ( which is what tanking is ) will make this team better instantly. It won't, it's takes time for even a young pick to develop.

Stop telling yourself it's a better option.....it's not, nor will the Lakers even concoct such lame idea.

No, you don't get it....the Lakers have a slim chance of making the 8th seed even if they start trying to win at this point going forward. The West is far too strong and guys like Bryant and Nash are still weeks away from sniffing the court. If the Lakers aim for the 8th seed, they'll get 9th or 10th. Why finish 9th or 10th if you can finish 13th? In both instances you don't make the playoffs, so you might as well go for the higher pick. A draft pick in the in the 7-10 spots is much more valuable than a 12th-14th pick.

[dockingsched]

anyways, the lakers aren't tanking, they just flat out suck.

the team the lakers are putting out there over the last few weeks is without a doubt the least talented team in the entire NBA, and thats cause of injuries not cause the front office intentionally depleted the roster.

the lakers had a chance to throw in the towel and tank, but they decided to keep pau. the next chance the lakers will have to decide whether they're tanking or not is when kobe gets healthy.

on a side note, tanking is a function of the FO depleting the roster of talent, not of players/coaches intentionally trying to lose games or not trying their best.

[DEEP3CL]

No one said tanking will turn the organization around, but it's definitely a much better option than getting the 8th seed and getting crushed in the 1st round. Also, tanking and getting the 11th or 12th seed is much better than getting the 9th seed since nothing was lost.

At this point, you do what's best for the organization in the long run, because we have no one who can turn us into contenders overnight.

You my friend don't get it, why is it so bad to make the playoffs even if you are an 8th seed ? Making the playoffs gives the team a better indication of where they stand and how the team should be rebuilt. You guys kill me with thinking that losing on purpose ( which is what tanking is ) will make this team better instantly. It won't, it's takes time for even a young pick to develop.

Stop telling yourself it's a better option.....it's not, nor will the Lakers even concoct such lame idea.

No, you don't get it....the Lakers have a slim chance of making the 8th seed even if they start trying to win at this point going forward. The West is far too strong and guys like Bryant and Nash are still weeks away from sniffing the court. If the Lakers aim for the 8th seed, they'll get 9th or 10th. Why finish 9th or 10th if you can finish 13th? In both instances you don't make the playoffs, so you might as well go for the higher pick. A draft pick in the in the 7-10 spots is much more valuable than a 12th-14th pick.

First off I NEVER said the Lakers were making this seasons post season, I was questioning your thought process and everyone else's for that matter on thinking that "tanking" is the magic elixir. As it stands now Lakers are in the 8th ( lottery spot) based on current records.

I'm fully aware the chances are remote base on the teams play, but even with all negatives the team is only 7 games out from the 8th seed and only 5.5 behind the team in 9th. Until the games behind are greater than the games left to play is the only time we can rule out the post season. And if this team can get guys back and not have any more injuries from here on out and the games that need to be made up are within reach......I don't believe they will tank it out just because you guys think it's best.

You guys keep hollering tank yet you provide no proof on how such a feat will be accomplished ? Yet you provide no proof on how such a draft pick will help the Lakers in the NOW. Just because you draft one of these young players don't mean they'll be ready to play and contribute big right away.

Like I said these college players today aren't going to help a team that needs to become elite, they'll need at least 3-4 seasons before we even see what they bring to the table on a nightly basis.

It makes no sense to lose games purposely when you have no damn chance in hell of knowing exactly where you're going to finish.

[Tiesto_Lakers]

You my friend don't get it, why is it so bad to make the playoffs even if you are an 8th seed ? Making the playoffs gives the team a better indication of where they stand and how the team should be rebuilt. You guys kill me with thinking that losing on purpose ( which is what tanking is ) will make this team better instantly. It won't, it's takes time for even a young pick to develop.

Stop telling yourself it's a better option.....it's not, nor will the Lakers even concoct such lame idea.

No, you don't get it....the Lakers have a slim chance of making the 8th seed even if they start trying to win at this point going forward. The West is far too strong and guys like Bryant and Nash are still weeks away from sniffing the court. If the Lakers aim for the 8th seed, they'll get 9th or 10th. Why finish 9th or 10th if you can finish 13th? In both instances you don't make the playoffs, so you might as well go for the higher pick. A draft pick in the in the 7-10 spots is much more valuable than a 12th-14th pick.

First off I NEVER said the Lakers were making this seasons post season, I was questioning your thought process and everyone else's for that matter on thinking that "tanking" is the magic elixir. As it stands now Lakers are in the 8th ( lottery spot) based on current records.

I'm fully aware the chances are remote base on the teams play, but even with all negatives the team is only 7 games out from the 8th seed and only 5.5 behind the team in 9th. Until the games behind are greater than the games left to play is the only time we can rule out the post season. And if this team can get guys back and not have any more injuries from here on out and the games that need to be made up are within reach......I don't believe they will tank it out just because you guys think it's best.

You guys keep hollering tank yet you provide no proof on how such a feat will be accomplished ? Yet you provide no proof on how such a draft pick will help the Lakers in the NOW. Just because you draft one of these young players don't mean they'll be ready to play and contribute big right away.

Like I said these college players today aren't going to help a team that needs to become elite, they'll need at least 3-4 seasons before we even see what they bring to the table on a nightly basis.

It makes no sense to lose games purposely when you have no damn chance in hell of knowing exactly where you're going to finish.

This argument is meaningless anyway because the Lakers will continue to lose games even if their goal is to win, as posters above have already mentioned. The Lakers are NOT going to make the playoffs this season---the chances were low even with a fully healthy roster.

How do you know it'll take 3-4 years before some of these rookies contribute? Do you think Portland felt that way when they drafted Lillard? Or Indiana when they drafted George at #10? This years rookie class is by far the best class since 2003, there are many players in the green room who will be contributors right away in this league.

[politm]

I'm sure you guys know the difference between tanking and flat out sucking. So with that being said, how are we tanking? Stop posting threads like this since it spreads like wildfire on every board about this team and franchise intentionally tanking WHICH WE NEVER HAVE DONE THAT. We have been hit with A LOT of injuries and a coach that sucks balls. F.O built this team with hopes of 2014. It doesn't mean we are tanking.

Teams like Nets Knicks etc are tanking. They have the talent necessary to win but they're not. Its easy to see who is tanking and who's not. We're not.

How are the Nets or Knicks tanking? Neither team owns their own pick, so you think they are losing on purpose just so Denver will get a top prospect?

So you opened up an account and decided to join yesterday and this was your first post. Interesting and welcome to our board. lol

But to answer your question, yes I am very well aware of the fact that they traded their 2014 and 2016 first-round pick in the Carmelo Anthony deal. It will go to either the Nuggets ( 4 first rounders) or the Magic, depending on where the Knicks finish in the standings. Im also aware of the fact that is not protected.

Im also aware Brooklyn will convey the less favorable of its 2014 1st round pick and Atlanta's 2014 1st round pick to Boston.

To me a team intentionally losing is tanking, whether for picks or for whatever reason it may be. They are losing on purpose. Watching two talented teams like the Nets and Knicks which in the beginning of the season were considered to be contenders play and losing to the worst teams every night is just ridiculous. Like I said to me tanking "playing to lose".
It could also be an attitude thing or an ego problem. Sort of like they know they are going to lose anyway so might as well they set themselves by not doing anything or the little things and playing as if they already lost.

Like Tiesto Lakers said earlier they are in the E/C and it clearly seems like they are trying to not make it to the playoffs.

By the way you should log on with your regular account and come back. Who ever you are.

So, last year we were tanking ?

From my point of view, Nets are what we were last year. A roster full of talent that should be contending right away, but hit with injuries and a poor choice of coach. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, but that doesn't mean they are losing on purpose, especially when they don't have any reason to, like a first round pick.

Of course, when you first posted, these two teams were not in a great position, but they will probably bounce back. The Knicks are right now on a 4 game winning streak and The Nets were before last night on a 5 game winning streak, and they had some tough games.

So, I don't really think a team will tank unless they have picks, or they want to rebuild through next year's free agency, otherwise it really doesn't make sense...

[DEEP3CL]

How do you know it'll take 3-4 years before some of these rookies contribute?

Because none of these players are ever ready when they come out. And if the team is rebuilt to where it's expected to contend, it's likely he won't get minutes.

Do you think Portland felt that way when they drafted Lillard? Or Indiana when they drafted George at #10?

In both cases it's safe to say those teams got lucky, Lillard was an unknown prospect that only the Blazers did their homework on. Furthermore he was coming to a team in shambles and was already in flux. He had no choice but to get minutes and that usually helps a player development accelerate.

The Pacers case with George was almost the same, in fact they had him on the bench starting out. And if not for injuries to Granger that sidelined him for chunks of games George wasn't going to play big minutes right off the back.

This years rookie class is by far the best class since 2003, there are many players in the green room who will be contributors right away in this league.

I agree, I'm not saying some won't get into situations and help right away, those players are usually guys who go to teams that still are building. So they can absorb that players growing pains as far as development. Teams that are expected to rebuild and contend even though they may draft one of these young bucks, won't have that leeway.

[ak7]

In both cases it's safe to say those teams got lucky, Lillard was an unknown prospect that only the Blazers did their homework on. Furthermore he was coming to a team in shambles and was already in flux. He had no choice but to get minutes and that usually helps a player development accelerate.

The Pacers case with George was almost the same, in fact they had him on the bench starting out. And if not for injuries to Granger that sidelined him for chunks of games George wasn't going to play big minutes right off the back.

This is not true Deep. Lillard was mocked in the lottery for 5-6 months before the draft. In fact, as he became more exposed to NBA Scouts, it became more known that he was a big time talent. More so, at the combine he shot the hell out of the ball and dominated every other point guard in that class. Everyone was comparing him to Rose, and the eerie part about it was his measurements were practically identical to Rose's as well. I am sure there is a Chad Ford article around the internet somewhere backing this.

The only reason he wasn't picked any higher than where he was picked was because AD/MKG/Beal were considered to have higher ceilings, Cleveland had Kyrie, and the LolKings took TRob for whatever reason that they did.

The fact of the matter is, we aren't going to be contending in the next 2 seasons realistically (unless the basketball gods bless us with LeBron), so there is a window there for a high draft pick to come into our situation and contribute from the beginning. The problem is, we don't really have the best coach for a young player to come in and really develop if it is a big. I think a wing might flourish early in a MDA system as there is more leeway offensively, but he loves to completely shun a player for long periods of times, and that worries me as well.

[Big_Cat]

How do you know it'll take 3-4 years before some of these rookies contribute?

Because none of these players are ever ready when they come out. And if the team is rebuilt to where it's expected to contend, it's likely he won't get minutes.
[...]
I agree, I'm not saying some won't get into situations and help right away, those players are usually guys who go to teams that still are building. So they can absorb that players growing pains as far as development. Teams that are expected to rebuild and contend even though they may draft one of these young bucks, won't have that leeway.[/quote]

How do you suppose Lakers turn the roster around and are able to contend next season? Your problem with most of these prospects is that they won't be able to help a team win a title/contend in 2014-2015 season.

Judging from your other posts, you also don't believe signing Melo would be an instant fix to all of the problems on the roster right now...so what possible series of moves could the Lakers hypothetically make and be in a position to contend next season? If they aren't able to contend next year, then why does it matter if it takes these rookies 2-3 years to develop into the player that can help a contender?

[TonyMontana]

why in the world would the nets or knicks be tanking, jesus christ this board sometimes.

Why are you using Gods name in Vain?

Also on this thread, Im the only one that brought up the Knicks and the Nets which I also did add ETC meaning other teams Like Utah Bucks ETC. So why are you throwing this entire board under the bus? If you got a problem with me then come at me. Quote me but don't throw this board under the bus which we both know your good at.


Now I did explain my definition of what I think " Tanking " is to me. Yet you and one other (which happens to be a new poster that I think it might be you) I have addressed already.

Tanking to me is the act of giving up a match a game or "throwing it away" or " losing intentionally" or "not competing up to their caliber or expectations. PERIOD. Take it HOWEVER you want to take it. I really don't care what your definition of tanking is or it should be!!

You can keep beating a dead horse which your good at doing ( Knicks Nets ) as to why would they need to tank since they don't own their picks (Denver and Hawks). I have already addressed that. Read a couple of pages back. I already did explain that.

Are we done here?

[TonyMontana]

So, last year we were tanking ?

From my point of view, Nets are what we were last year....

Not even close. We had a lot of injuries from day 1. Im not going to post who but we all know who.
We had a cancer in the locker room which didn't want to play for this team from the get go. Dwight Howard.
We had a has been point guard. Nash.
A bench full of nobodies.
To top it off we had one of the worst coaches in the league.

Not even close to the talent the Nets have to be over 500 specially playing in the E/C. They are losing to garbage teams.

Also here is J.K comment.

"I think it is getting very close to just accepting losing," Kidd said. "We are kind of getting comfortable with losing. And we got to make a stand with that because when things get tough, do we just give in? And most of the time right now, we do."

Melos comment.

"I think we're playing to lose rather than playing to win right now"

A roster full of talent that should be contending right away, but hit with injuries and a poor choice of coach. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, but that doesn't mean they are losing on purpose, especially when they don't have any reason to, like a first round pick. ....

People keep bringing up first round picks. I get it and I already answered that I am aware of Knicks and Nets 2014 picks. I get it. And I already addressed my definition of TANKING. It doesn't have to be only for picks. An unhappy player or two, egos, cant get along with the coach, don't want to play for that team, you already know you have no chance to win a title etc. It doesn't have to be for first round picks only.

Of course, when you first posted, these two teams were not in a great position, but they will probably bounce back. The Knicks are right now on a 4 game winning streak and The Nets were before last night on a 5 game winning streak, and they had some tough games.

Exactly. Like I said, they have the talent to win, but they chose not to.