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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#821 » by greg4012 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:14 pm

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AlexCRO wrote:its not that, its that you can limit the chance of injury but you cant prevent it once he is on the floor because of the intensity of the game wich is played today

I do not think he meant for Oden to fail, it is just irrational to think a fan of the same tea wants what might be a very important piece to our championship run to fail, in fact his point is valid, Oden has not played for a long time and his injuries were very serious basketball wise, so it is not too far fetch to think he might get injured again, it is not very difficult to understand.


It is not difficult to understand, Oden has an extensive injury history. But when your solution to Oden's potential problem has an injury history almost on par to that of Odens, your argument loses validity, and is viewed at least on my part, as being pessimistic.

Bynum's injury history:

2007-2008: Bynum disloscates left knee cap. Underwent arthroscopic knee surgery
2008-2009: Bynum tore MCL in right knee. Had surgery, played in playoofs while recovering
2009-2010: Bynum tore his menicus in playoffs. Delayed surgery till offseason.
2010-2011: Bynum hyper extends his right knee
2011-2012: No injuries of note
2012-2013: Out all season, underwent arthroscopic knee surgey on BOTH knees.

When arguing Odens injury history and potential to breakdown, Andrew Bynum shouldnt be mentioned as a viable solution.


It's called hedging your bet. Oden is volatile because he hasn't played in 4 years and is coming back from MAJOR potential career ending injuries. The HEAT are working him into shape slowly and preserving him as best possible in hopes to utilize him when needed most.

OK, at the end of the day, no one can predict if he will have enough in him to be healthy and play the minutes we may want or need.

Bynum is volatile because of some serious injury history, he is prone to be injured again, and he has a bad attitude. Nonetheless, he fills a major void on the team. One we are also counting on Oden to fill.

Both have significant chances of not working out, getting re-injured, etc. BUT, the chances are greater that just one of them gets injured or can't contribute than that BOTH of them get injured, in trouble, or can't contribute. Hence, having both on the roster lessens the risk that the HEAT don't have a viable center to throw out there to counter Hibbert when needed in the playoffs.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#822 » by Vertical Limit » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:42 pm

Well if the wiretap is true, then it's time to move on. Greg Oden is a big part of the plans, and if he pans out, we're a very different team.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#823 » by MHeat0279 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:49 pm

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MHeat0279 wrote:I do not think he meant for Oden to fail, it is just irrational to think a fan of the same tea wants what might be a very important piece to our championship run to fail, in fact his point is valid, Oden has not played for a long time and his injuries were very serious basketball wise, so it is not too far fetch to think he might get injured again, it is not very difficult to understand.


It is not difficult to understand, Oden has an extensive injury history. But when your solution to Oden's potential problem has an injury history almost on par to that of Odens, your argument loses validity, and is viewed at least on my part, as being pessimistic.

Bynum's injury history:

2007-2008: Bynum disloscates left knee cap. Underwent arthroscopic knee surgery
2008-2009: Bynum tore MCL in right knee. Had surgery, played in playoofs while recovering
2009-2010: Bynum tore his menicus in playoffs. Delayed surgery till offseason.
2010-2011: Bynum hyper extends his right knee
2011-2012: No injuries of note
2012-2013: Out all season, underwent arthroscopic knee surgey on BOTH knees.

When arguing Odens injury history and potential to breakdown, Andrew Bynum shouldnt be mentioned as a viable solution.


It's called hedging your bet. Oden is volatile because he hasn't played in 4 years and is coming back from MAJOR potential career ending injuries. The HEAT are working him into shape slowly and preserving him as best possible in hopes to utilize him when needed most.

OK, at the end of the day, no one can predict if he will have enough in him to be healthy and play the minutes we may want or need.

Bynum is volatile because of some serious injury history, he is prone to be injured again, and he has a bad attitude. Nonetheless, he fills a major void on the team. One we are also counting on Oden to fill.

Both have significant chances of not working out, getting re-injured, etc. BUT, the chances are greater that just one of them gets injured or can't contribute than that BOTH of them get injured, in trouble, or can't contribute. Hence, having both on the roster lessens the risk that the HEAT don't have a viable center to throw out there to counter Hibbert when needed in the playoffs.


exactly the way i see it, nobody wants to see Oden fail, totally the contrary but having both injury prone centers i think will be more beneficial to just have one of them, that is all
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#824 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:52 pm

We also might make a move for another Center before the trade deadline, as a backup plan to Oden.

Hawes, Kosta Koufos, Okafor, who knows. It's not very likely but could happen. And that would be much better then adding this broken down Bynum.

Bynum was/is a desperation move, so us passing on him is a good sign.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#825 » by KingDavid » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:57 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:We also might make a move for another Center before the trade deadline, as a backup plan to Oden.

Hawes, Kosta Koufos, Okafor, who knows. It's not very likely but could happen. And that would be much better then adding this broken down Bynum.

Bynum was/is a desperation move, so us passing on him is a good sign.
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Post#826 » by Umbooki » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:05 pm

Works for me. Even if the Oden project doesn't pan out, as long as the rest of the team is healthy and ready to play, Miami is still a contender in the Playoffs. Enjoy the ride and hope for the best.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#827 » by Mars » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:08 pm

As long as there's someone measuring seven-feet tall in a Heat uniform able stand upright, stay on the court, and bang throughout the playoffs... I'm good.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#828 » by heater4life » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:27 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:We also might make a move for another Center before the trade deadline, as a backup plan to Oden.

Hawes, Kosta Koufos, Okafor, who knows. It's not very likely but could happen. And that would be much better then adding this broken down Bynum.

Bynum was/is a desperation move, so us passing on him is a good sign.


Excellent point.

Even if the Heat did have interest in Bynum, recent history has shown the Heat will wait to see what turns up around the deadline and what buy outs are made.
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Post#829 » by DefenseWins » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:33 pm

Guess we should just lock this up. Heat not interested... this year anyway. This was the year to get him at a cheap, discounted price. They must really have high hopes on Oden. Oden is also more motivated and they probably want to reward him for his work ethic.

It's a wrap!
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#830 » by AlexCRO » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:49 pm

DefenseWins wrote:Guess we should just lock this up. Heat not interested... this year anyway. This was the year to get him at a cheap, discounted price. They must really have high hopes on Oden. Oden is also more motivated and they probably want to reward him for his work ethic.

It's a wrap!


wich is the right decision. as they say you must reward the big man... with all that rooting for oden.
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Post#831 » by insfo » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:17 am

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Yes, he is .. but only because the guy who claims that feels the Lewis is taking the playing time of his idol :lol:
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Post#832 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:34 am

Wait..... you guys actually believe that report that the Heat aren't interested? You guys haven't learned a thing about Riley have you.
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#834 » by fishfuego. » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:46 am

I wouldn't take any WT on realgm serious, however if true, the thought of not wanting Bynum because of Oden has gamble written all over it.
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Post#835 » by DC_20 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:47 am

I don't understand this attitude bs - what's the worst he can do until either he gets cut or UD scares the **** out of him. I think heat really want him they're just leaving him so he feels like he's got something to prove to the nba
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Post#836 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:48 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:Wait..... you guys actually believe that report that the Heat aren't interested? You guys haven't learned a thing about Riley have you.

For everyone that has been a Heat fan and have followed Riley the past two decades, yes, that report is very believable. One thing he does not tolerate is laziness and Bynum defines laziness more than anything else. He's not a Riley type of player.
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Post#837 » by DefenseWins » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:26 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:Wait..... you guys actually believe that report that the Heat aren't interested? You guys haven't learned a thing about Riley have you.



I believe it because the Heat have guaranteed Mason's contract. I haven't heard if they did guarantee Oden's contract, but I think the Heat would have cut someone by now to get Bynum.

I don't remember the last time a report said "Heat weren't interested" and they ended up getting the guy.

Though now that I think about it, people said Beasley back to Miami was false. But the deadlines right now have all passed.

Now if the Heat can somehow get rid of Joel, they'd have Bynum by now...
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Re: Andrew Bynum 

Post#838 » by HeatDaChamps » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:46 am

DefenseWins wrote:
StrengthNHonor wrote:Wait..... you guys actually believe that report that the Heat aren't interested? You guys haven't learned a thing about Riley have you.



I believe it because the Heat have guaranteed Mason's contract. I haven't heard if they did guarantee Oden's contract, but I think the Heat would have cut someone by now to get Bynum.

I don't remember the last time a report said "Heat weren't interested" and they ended up getting the guy.

Though now that I think about it, people said Beasley back to Miami was false. But the deadlines right now have all passed.

Now if the Heat can somehow get rid of Joel, they'd have Bynum by now...


I dont think thats true at all. If the heat had cut Mason by the deadline, it would be so obvious they were going after Bynum and might have pushed up his market value. Other teams will go after him just to keep him from the heat. Not cutting Mason, and putting out news that we arent interested may bring Bynum's market value back down to the vet min. I seriously doubt that Pat Riley would even hesitate to cut Mason if he REALLY wanted Bynum even if it meant having eat the rest of Mason's contract. Its not that much tbh.

HOWEVER, this is not to say I know Pat Riley's intentions. But i dont think not cutting Mason is any indication of whether we want Bynum or not. And yes Oden's contract was always guaranteed, from day one it was. A vet min 1 year deal.
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Post#839 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:50 am

DefenseWins wrote:I don't remember the last time a report said "Heat weren't interested" and they ended up getting the guy.


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Post#840 » by DefenseWins » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:28 am

I wouldn't like it if the Pacers got Bynum (reports saying there is interest). But I don't think he wants to play in Indiana, though if he sees they have a legit shot to dethrone the Heat in the playoffs, he might play well. Depends on his health.

We'll see I guess, I just don't see how the Heat can make room for Bynum since they have guaranteed everyone's contracts, and no one is going to want Joel, who's the only guy I think the Heat would actually want to get rid of. Everyone else is a 3 point threat than can bite us in the ass later UNLESS it's against a non-rival team.

I think the Heat would want a 2nd rounder for Joel and some cash at this point, but everyone knows it'd just make room to make us better. No one wants that. I'd love to be wrong on this report :lol:

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