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ESPN reporting that Whiz agrees with Tennessee to become their head coach. I'm stunned. With him and Gruden out, I'm horrified.
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The fact that we lost out to the freakin Titans for this guy??? Goes to show how the organization is viewed around the league
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Word already circulating that Caldwell could be the guy for us.
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ajaX82 wrote:The fact that we lost out to the freakin Titans for this guy??? Goes to show how the organization is viewed around the league
Honestly....which organization has been run better?
If you say Lions, you are kidding yourself. Yes, we currently have the edge on them talent-wise, but they will be very flexible cap-wise and the new coach (Whis) can put his stamp on the roster almost immediately. That, plus their organization has a history of winning where our has not.
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I take it Caldwell is now in the batter's box?
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Good news on Whisenhunt. No career losing records for me.
Caldwell is a better option I think, but would explore more possibilities first before rushing into hiring him
Caldwell is a better option I think, but would explore more possibilities first before rushing into hiring him
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Q00 wrote:Good news on Whisenhunt. No career losing records for me.
Caldwell is a better option I think, but would explore more possibilities first before rushing into hiring him
Bet we go into panic mode and sign him in the next 24 hours.
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Quickly looked up the professional resumes of each Head Coaching candidate.....and the winner by far, was Gary Kubiak.
Years of experience running an offense and working with QBs in Denver, and really good coaching results in Houston, until this season....but love the offensive system he took there with him.
If I were Mayhew, I'd look much more into Kubiak and far less into Munchak.
Years of experience running an offense and working with QBs in Denver, and really good coaching results in Houston, until this season....but love the offensive system he took there with him.
If I were Mayhew, I'd look much more into Kubiak and far less into Munchak.
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Lionlifer wrote:Q00 wrote:Good news on Whisenhunt. No career losing records for me.
Caldwell is a better option I think, but would explore more possibilities first before rushing into hiring him
Bet we go into panic mode and sign him in the next 24 hours.
I think so too, but it's not a panic move.
Big sticking point with Whiz was that he wanted to use a 3-4 D, Mayhew & crew didn't like the idea of rebuilding, think they can win now with the existing 4-3. Wasn't the only issue but was a big one.
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As someone who knows very little about NFL but is trying to get into it, i don't know much about the head coach candidates. It looks like Caldwell is the frontrunner for the job now that Whisenhunt is out of the picture.
Would someone be able to put together a basic Pros and Cons list for him?? Also is he a good fit for the team??
Would someone be able to put together a basic Pros and Cons list for him?? Also is he a good fit for the team??
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dVs33 wrote:As someone who knows very little about NFL but is trying to get into it, i don't know much about the head coach candidates. It looks like Caldwell is the frontrunner for the job now that Whisenhunt is out of the picture.
Would someone be able to put together a basic Pros and Cons list for him?? Also is he a good fit for the team??
The only "Pro" he has is if you reference his time in Indy.....when there is much debate about how much he actually led the team. Specifically, the Peyton Manning-led offense. I believe the Colts even cited "leadership" as a reason for his firing...
His time in Baltimore doesn't do anything for me. He led one of the worst offenses in the league this season.
Just wikipedia the professional resumes of these guys, and tell me who has the most impressive background:
Caldwell
Kubiak
Gales
Munchak
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Caldwell is a Tony Dungy disciple. That word is often misused but not in this case, he literally worshiped at Dungy's feet and served under him for years.
Caldwell is a very calm guy, not unlike Lovie Smith. Hyper-organized. More of a tough-love approach to discipline and to the overall view.
In Indy he ran a very vanilla defense, a lot more zone than what Schwartz ran the last couple of years.
He took over a very good Colts team with Manning, has never built anything up on his own. These Lions are playoff-ready though.
In his interview with DET he had a 30-something page presentation on his plan for Stafford, and Stafford himself saw it and liked it. If the QB can get behind it, the fans should too. I'm not a big Caldwell fan but he's a better option than Mike Munchak.
Caldwell is a very calm guy, not unlike Lovie Smith. Hyper-organized. More of a tough-love approach to discipline and to the overall view.
In Indy he ran a very vanilla defense, a lot more zone than what Schwartz ran the last couple of years.
He took over a very good Colts team with Manning, has never built anything up on his own. These Lions are playoff-ready though.
In his interview with DET he had a 30-something page presentation on his plan for Stafford, and Stafford himself saw it and liked it. If the QB can get behind it, the fans should too. I'm not a big Caldwell fan but he's a better option than Mike Munchak.
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While we couldn't sign whiz, one of our biggest losses might come if Brian Xander becomes GM of Miami.
"Xanders joined the Lions last January in the senior personnel executive role. His main assignment last offseason was to overhaul Detroit's scouting system, and whether it was a coincidence or not, the Lions put together one of their best drafts and undrafted free agent classes in quite some time"
One of the main reason's why we aren't legit contenders is because we whiffed on some high picks. I would like to continue this trend of finding value all over the draft and else where
"Xanders joined the Lions last January in the senior personnel executive role. His main assignment last offseason was to overhaul Detroit's scouting system, and whether it was a coincidence or not, the Lions put together one of their best drafts and undrafted free agent classes in quite some time"
One of the main reason's why we aren't legit contenders is because we whiffed on some high picks. I would like to continue this trend of finding value all over the draft and else where
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Icness wrote:Caldwell is a Tony Dungy disciple. That word is often misused but not in this case, he literally worshiped at Dungy's feet and served under him for years.
Caldwell is a very calm guy, not unlike Lovie Smith. Hyper-organized. More of a tough-love approach to discipline and to the overall view.
In Indy he ran a very vanilla defense, a lot more zone than what Schwartz ran the last couple of years.
He took over a very good Colts team with Manning, has never built anything up on his own. These Lions are playoff-ready though.
In his interview with DET he had a 30-something page presentation on his plan for Stafford, and Stafford himself saw it and liked it. If the QB can get behind it, the fans should too. I'm not a big Caldwell fan but he's a better option than Mike Munchak.
Heard you think Tressel is going to join the staff?
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On a scale of 1-to-10 (10 being the happiest), I'm about a 5-6 on this hire.....optimistic yet thinking we could have done better.
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Also torn on the Coordinators.....
OC = Lazor (ex-Eagles QB coach) - Sounds promising. 3 years as OC at UVA (Virginia) sandwiched between being QB coach in Seattle, Washington, and Philly. Has been getting a ton of credit for developing Foles even though he's only been there for 1 season....we'll see
DC = Austin (ex-Ravens DB coach) - Sounds less promising. DBs coach in Seattle and Arizona, then one year as DC at UF (Florida), then back to DBs coach for the Ravens. Sounds extremely raw despite being nearly 49 years old.
OC = Lazor (ex-Eagles QB coach) - Sounds promising. 3 years as OC at UVA (Virginia) sandwiched between being QB coach in Seattle, Washington, and Philly. Has been getting a ton of credit for developing Foles even though he's only been there for 1 season....we'll see
DC = Austin (ex-Ravens DB coach) - Sounds less promising. DBs coach in Seattle and Arizona, then one year as DC at UF (Florida), then back to DBs coach for the Ravens. Sounds extremely raw despite being nearly 49 years old.
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I was less enthused a week ago, but now that he is our coach I'll be 100% behind it. Like the fact that he has a way with QBs, seems very smart and stable, should cut down on the overall stupidity of the team. Don't like how terrible the Ravens offense was this year, that he wasn't garnering interest anywhere else.
Only time will tell, but it should make for a nice contrast to Schwartz
Only time will tell, but it should make for a nice contrast to Schwartz
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ajaX82 wrote:I was less enthused a week ago, but now that he is our coach I'll be 100% behind it. Like the fact that he has a way with QBs, seems very smart and stable, should cut down on the overall stupidity of the team. Don't like how terrible the Ravens offense was this year, that he wasn't garnering interest anywhere else.
Only time will tell, but it should make for a nice contrast to Schwartz
My biggest concern is Caldwell hasn't won any where he's coached outside the manning years. While insiders state don't discount Caldwells influence on manning, its still alarming. Also the coordinators he's hiring , specifically the DC, I am not too enthused about. On the plus side, Dungy's endorsement does carry a bit of weight.
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I don't know Austin at all, can't comment. Lazor is a real good hire IMO. Creative guy that demands respect from players.
I shot a video this AM on Whiz & a few other things:
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/?p=2482
FYI the mystery coach I was alluding to was Tony Dungy
I shot a video this AM on Whiz & a few other things:
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/?p=2482
FYI the mystery coach I was alluding to was Tony Dungy
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Iceness,
Hearing whispers that the Ravens offense was so bad this (last) season that if not hired elsewhere, Caldwell was likely to be fired and replaced in Baltimore. Any truth to those rumblings?
Hearing whispers that the Ravens offense was so bad this (last) season that if not hired elsewhere, Caldwell was likely to be fired and replaced in Baltimore. Any truth to those rumblings?