Fun with Stats!!!

[mrknowitall215]

the bobcats are 2nd in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 716. (blazers are 1st with 719). however, the bobcats last in the league in FG% from 16-24 at 33.4%. by comparison, the blazers are 2nd in the league in FG% from that range at 45.1% (pacers are 1st at 46.4%)

i really dont think this stat is getting enough attention. let this sink in for a minute... we are the absolute worst in the league in a particular shot, yet we take more of that shot than anyone in the league except one team and that one team makes the same shot 13% more frequently than we do.

it doesnt matter what kind of players you have on your team, how they fit together, the lack of shooters or post up guys - if you are the absolute worst at something, you try to avoid doing it. our coaches and players dont seem to be getting this message.

only two other teams in the league seem to be as hard-headed as the bobcats when it comes to launching too many shots from this distance at a low percentage - the wizards and jazz - and both teams take less and make more than us.

sadly we are league average at shots 8-16 feet (our best spot compared to others), and below average at shots 0-8 feet and 24+.

Kemba & Henderson are a ill-fitting backcourt. One of them needs to go. Most miscast backcourt since Monta Ellis next to (insert name of PG). That's essentially what I take away from that not so 'fun stat'

[LamarMatic7]

the bobcats are 2nd in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 716. (blazers are 1st with 719). however, the bobcats last in the league in FG% from 16-24 at 33.4%. by comparison, the blazers are 2nd in the league in FG% from that range at 45.1% (pacers are 1st at 46.4%)

That stat should make you question Portland and how good they are. But LaMarcus Aldridge taking a big chunk of those shots is a damn good excuse.

i really dont think this stat is getting enough attention. let this sink in for a minute... we are the absolute worst in the league in a particular shot, yet we take more of that shot than anyone in the league except one team and that one team makes the same shot 13% more frequently than we do.

moreover, it's not just any shot. it's the worst shot in the basketball.
so once again, for the record, we are the absolute worst in the league in a particular shot, a shot that is the worst shot you can take in the game of basketball, yet we take more of that shot than anyone in the league except this one team that has an elite shooter from that spot.

[LamarMatic7]

the bobcats are 2nd in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 716. (blazers are 1st with 719). however, the bobcats last in the league in FG% from 16-24 at 33.4%. by comparison, the blazers are 2nd in the league in FG% from that range at 45.1% (pacers are 1st at 46.4%)

i really dont think this stat is getting enough attention. let this sink in for a minute... we are the absolute worst in the league in a particular shot, yet we take more of that shot than anyone in the league except one team and that one team makes the same shot 13% more frequently than we do.

it doesnt matter what kind of players you have on your team, how they fit together, the lack of shooters or post up guys - if you are the absolute worst at something, you try to avoid doing it. our coaches and players dont seem to be getting this message.

only two other teams in the league seem to be as hard-headed as the bobcats when it comes to launching too many shots from this distance at a low percentage - the wizards and jazz - and both teams take less and make more than us.

sadly we are league average at shots 8-16 feet (our best spot compared to others), and below average at shots 0-8 feet and 24+.

Kemba & Henderson are a ill-fitting backcourt. One of them needs to go. Most miscast backcourt since Monta Ellis next to (insert name of PG). That's essentially what I take away from that not so 'fun stat'

Not a fan of Ellis but he's been good this year. He has plenty of shortcomings, however, when he's playing like this, I have to say that he is a guy who's worth having on your team. Of course, there are only a few head coaches (Rick Carlisle alert!!) and teams on which that will happen.

[HornetJail]

I'm perfectly fine with Hendo taking the mid-range shot, but he needs to get the threes as well. He's shooting a decent percentage from outside. Those shots a foot inside the arc really need to become threes.

Kemba needs to cut the mid-range out of his game entirely. He's good enough from deep to just step back a couple feet and fire. He's closing in on 37% from deep. He shoots 3% better from downtown than from mid-range.

Al should never step outside of 16 feet. He can knock it down out there, but really shouldn't. He can do much better by stepping in a couple feet. More importantly, he needs to pass to other players when he's outside the paint. No more holding the ball for six seconds followed by a 18 foot jumper.

Also MKG picks his spots well from mid-range. He's not very good yet, but he shoots a better percentage from mid-range than most everyone else on the team because he only takes the open ones. Rather see him work it into the paint in any case, however.

Interested to see Sessions' mid-range numbers.

[mrknowitall215]

Not a fan of Ellis but he's been good this year. He has plenty of shortcomings, however, when he's playing like this, I have to say that he is a guy who's worth having on your team. Of course, there are only a few head coaches (Rick Carlisle alert!!) and teams on which that will happen.

Monta Ellis has been playing some of his best ball but I don't know why I have this epiphany that lead me believe that he'll revert back to his usual selfish & erratic ways as the season go along similar to how O.J. Mayo soured on Mavericks fans after All-Star break

[fatlever]

by 5-foot zones

gerald henderson is 2nd in the league in FGA from 15-19ft with 196 attempts (at 41%).
kemba walker is 7th in the league in FGA from 15-19ft with 158 attempts (at 41%)
(this is the worst range - at least some of those shots in the 16-24 range include corner 3s)

by 8-foot zones

gerald henderson is 5th in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 192 attempts (at 38%)
kemba walker is 14th in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 154 attempts (at 37.7%)
al jefferson is 53rd in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 99 attempts (at 30.0%)
cody zeller is 75th in the league in FGA from 16-24ft with 75 attempts (at 26.7%)
nobody else in top 100

gerald henderson is 7th in the league in FGA from 8-16ft with 139 attempts (40.3%)
al jefferson is 9th in the league in FGA from 8-16ft with 129 attempts (at 38.8%)
kemba walker is 13th in the league in FGA from 8-16ft with 114 attempts (at 44.7%)
nobody else in top 100

al jefferson is 21st in the league in FGA from 0-8ft with 258 attempts (at 56.2%)
ramon sessions is 52nd in the league in FGA from 0-8ft with 208 attempts (at 46.6.2%)
kemba walker is 67th in the league in FGA from 0-8ft with 188 attempts (at 50.0%)
nobody else in top 100

kemba walker is 28th in the league in FGA from 24+ft with 166 attempts (at 37.2%)
nobody else in top 100

by basic zones (paint restricted, paint non-restricted, mid-range, 3s)

* hendo shoots 59% at the rim, but has taken only 114 shots there - lack of handles or lack of desire?
* hendo is 8-12 from corner 3

[JDR720]

Not a fan of Ellis but he's been good this year. He has plenty of shortcomings, however, when he's playing like this, I have to say that he is a guy who's worth having on your team. Of course, there are only a few head coaches (Rick Carlisle alert!!) and teams on which that will happen.

Monta Ellis has been playing some of his best ball but I don't know why I have this epiphany that lead me believe that he'll revert back to his usual selfish & erratic ways as the season go along similar to how O.J. Mayo soured on Mavericks fans after All-Star break

playing with Dirk helped Ellis a lot and i dont think he will go ball hog mode, Dirk wont allow it and neither with Carlisle

[fatlever]

opponents are shooting 56.8% at the rim vs jefferson, 56.5% vs mcroberts, 55.1% vs zeller, 47.3% vs adrien and 38.5% vs biz.

one of these things is not like the others.

i am starting to think our front-office, scouts and coaching staff do not have access to the internet.

[fatlever]

contested rebound %s

adrien 50.6
zeller 48.8
biyombo 41.5
CDR 37.5
mcbob 33.2
jefferson 33.0
taylor 26.7
MKG 24.5

surprised to see MKG so low. scary to see jefferson so low.

MKG also ranks at near the bottom in % of rebound changes, ahead of only taylor and pargo at 52%. jefferson does better in this stat ranking 2nd among bigs, behind tolliver at 61.7%.

[LamarMatic7]

contested rebound %s

adrien 50.6
zeller 48.8
biyombo 41.5
CDR 37.5
mcbob 33.2
jefferson 33.0
taylor 26.7
MKG 24.5

surprised to see MKG so low. scary to see jefferson so low.

MKG also ranks at near the bottom in % of rebound changes, ahead of only taylor and pargo at 52%. jefferson does better in this stat ranking 2nd among bigs, behind tolliver at 61.7%.

And MKG doesn't fair well against his small forward counterparts as I broke down in page 2 of this thread.

[mrknowitall215]

opponents are shooting 56.8% at the rim vs jefferson, 56.5% vs mcroberts, 55.1% vs zeller, 47.3% vs adrien and 38.5% vs biz.

one of these things is not like the others.

i am starting to think our front-office, scouts and coaching staff do not have access to the internet.

I can't for the life of me understand why Biyombo doesn't play a guaranteed 25 minutes a night just as a rim protector when it's clear as day that it's a issue over the past month or so. I also can't comprehend why Clifford is so opposed to testing the waters with a Biyombo/Jefferson frontcourt for spare minutes between the game when they need defense to create offense

[EwingSweatsALot]

contested rebound %s

adrien 50.6
zeller 48.8
biyombo 41.5
CDR 37.5
mcbob 33.2
jefferson 33.0
taylor 26.7
MKG 24.5

surprised to see MKG so low. scary to see jefferson so low.

MKG also ranks at near the bottom in % of rebound changes, ahead of only taylor and pargo at 52%. jefferson does better in this stat ranking 2nd among bigs, behind tolliver at 61.7%.

And MKG doesn't fair well against his small forward counterparts as I broke down in page 2 of this thread.

Which is odd considering that last year, He was 2nd at the SF position (1000 min minium) in TRB%. 3rd if you consider LeBron a SF.

[mrknowitall215]

Not really having fun with the stat, but I found it to be a interesting fun fact that Chris Douglas-Roberts is currently 3rd among all shooting guards in the NBA in TS% with .620 (even though it's somewhat of a small sample size)

[HornetJail]

Not really having fun with the stat, but I found it to be a interesting fun fact that Chris Douglas-Roberts is currently 3rd among all shooting guards in the NBA in TS% with .620 (even though it's somewhat of a small sample size)

More than half his FGAs are threes, and he's somehow shooting 40% on those, so that's a huge chunk of it.

[EwingSweatsALot]

I took a look today at how well our guys score and defend compared to an average player in the NBA.

NBA.com has each player's scoring broken down in many different ways, but this was the easiest to find in one spot. They had the spots on the court of, restricted area, in the paint, but not in restricted area, mid range (out of the paint, but not a 3), corner threes, and above the break threes. Not as detailed as I would like, but it is the best I could do in a short amount of time. I also counted free throws as well.

I took each of our players shots in each area and took how many points an average player would score with those opportunities and determined, how much more or less would our guys score a game than an average player. I did not do it for guys that have not played 20 games.

Here is the list:

Anthony Tolliver- 0.48
Al Jefferson- .44
Chris Douglas-Roberts- .31
Bizmack Biyombo- .10
Josh McRoberts- -.11
Kemba Walker -.11
Gerald Henderson- -.29
Jeff Adrien- -.4
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- -1.18
Cody Zeller- -1.18
Ramon Sessions - -1.6
Jeff Taylor- -2.1

NBA.com also has a players opponents shots in these same areas. I don't know what they consider the criteria to determine what those shots are, it could be 5 feet within the shot just like they do for at the rim. Here is that list(reminder negative is better):

Bizmack Biyombo- -1.68
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- -1.52
Gerald Henderson - -.87
Jeff Adrien- -.66
Ramon Sessions - -.66
Kemba Walker- -.5
Josh McRoberts- -.15
Jeff Taylor- -.12
Chris Douglas-Roberts- -.07
Cody Zeller- -.04
Anthony Tolliver- .57
Al Jefferson- .59

I took scoring and defense and combined the differences to see how many points above average our guys were in the two most important parts of the game:

Bizmack Biyombo- 1.78
Kemba Walker- .39
Chris Douglas-Roberts- .38
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- .34
Jeff Adrien- .25
Josh McRoberts- .04
Anthony Tolliver- -.09
Al Jefferson- -.15
Ramon Sessions- -.95
Cody Zeller- -1.13
Gerald Henderson- -1.16
Jeff Taylor- -1.98

This isn't as detailed as I would like with the shot locations, but it works some. If I have some time I might look at making average players for each of the 5 positions. Some interesting numbers for 30 minutes of work though.

[fatlever]

is the henderson final number correct?

[EwingSweatsALot]

The final number is correct. The middle number should actually be a positive. Not a negative. That should make the number at the bottom right.

[LamarMatic7]

I'm also not sure about Hendo's number, ESAL. If it is correct, then it would mean that Biz's and MKG's final number isn't correct.

[EwingSweatsALot]

Looking at them the numbers should be right. The defensive numbers might be throwing it off. For instance Biz's offense is at .1 above an average player. So he scores .1 points more than an average player would for his shot selection.

Now on his defense it is -1.68. That means on average Biz allows 1.68 points less than an average NBA player would on the shots that players have taken against Biz. So even though it is -1.68 it is still a positive for the team because he is holding his opponents under the average.

So you would just remove the negative sign in front of it and add it to the .1, which gets you 1.78. So he is 1.78 points better than an average player when you combine scoring and opponent's scoring.

I don't know if that is the confusion or not with it.

[fatlever]

so hendo is #7 on offense and #3 on defense, yet #11 overall? im confused?