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When is he supposed return from his injury?
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Dempsey tweeted out yesterday that he's still "very far" from returning. I'm starting to think we're not going to see him at all this season and that really sucks. Another year of giving him $10 million and we still have no idea if he'll ever be worth it.
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RRFB wrote:Dempsey tweeted out yesterday that he's still "very far" from returning. I'm starting to think we're not going to see him at all this season and that really sucks. Another year of giving him $10 million and we still have no idea if he'll ever be worth it.
Tyson chandler had the same injury mcgee has, both suffere it around the same time and chandler was back 2 weeks ago, how come mcgee is taking so oblong as apossed to tyson?
Sorry I'm not to good with injuries and stuff!
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josh_nuggets wrote:RRFB wrote:Dempsey tweeted out yesterday that he's still "very far" from returning. I'm starting to think we're not going to see him at all this season and that really sucks. Another year of giving him $10 million and we still have no idea if he'll ever be worth it.
Tyson chandler had the same injury mcgee has, both suffere it around the same time and chandler was back 2 weeks ago, how come mcgee is taking so oblong as apossed to tyson?
Sorry I'm not to good with injuries and stuff!
Tyson Chandler and McGee did not have the same injuries, Chandler had a fracture in his fibia and McGee has a fracture in his Tibia. the Tibia is the much larger weight bearing bone in the leg, plus you do not know the severity of each injury. That being said the Nuggets have been extremely quiet about the timeline for both McGee and gallo which is a little annoying.
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The Rebel wrote:josh_nuggets wrote:RRFB wrote:Dempsey tweeted out yesterday that he's still "very far" from returning. I'm starting to think we're not going to see him at all this season and that really sucks. Another year of giving him $10 million and we still have no idea if he'll ever be worth it.
Tyson chandler had the same injury mcgee has, both suffere it around the same time and chandler was back 2 weeks ago, how come mcgee is taking so oblong as apossed to tyson?
Sorry I'm not to good with injuries and stuff!
Tyson Chandler and McGee did not have the same injuries, Chandler had a fracture in his fibia and McGee has a fracture in his Tibia. the Tibia is the much larger weight bearing bone in the leg, plus you do not know the severity of each injury. That being said the Nuggets have been extremely quiet about the timeline for both McGee and gallo which is a little annoying.
Ah thanks for correcting me.
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Last I heard Gallo was cleared for conditioning drills so probably won't seem until after the All Star break.
I doubt McGee returns this year which sucks because it's a lost year for him to develop under Shaw.
I doubt McGee returns this year which sucks because it's a lost year for him to develop under Shaw.
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Recent quote from Gallo:
"I got over the most boring part, by now. The muscle tone is back, in the gym I lift weights I never lifted before. I work with the ball and changes of direction. Let's say I still have to work on the mental part, the most important one. Because it's inevitable to think about my knee - Said Gallo, who added - I haven't set a date for the comeback. It's a decision we will take further on. Hypothesis to miss this season? Everything can happen. It's an idea that passed through my mind. But then, maybe, I get back before". La Gazzetta Dello Sport.
"I got over the most boring part, by now. The muscle tone is back, in the gym I lift weights I never lifted before. I work with the ball and changes of direction. Let's say I still have to work on the mental part, the most important one. Because it's inevitable to think about my knee - Said Gallo, who added - I haven't set a date for the comeback. It's a decision we will take further on. Hypothesis to miss this season? Everything can happen. It's an idea that passed through my mind. But then, maybe, I get back before". La Gazzetta Dello Sport.
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I refuse to believe that a stress fracture keeps a guy out 6 months...
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I'm not even really sure how McGee fits into the rotation when he does come back. I feel like JJ, Faried and Mozgov all deserve more minutes at the moment until McGee can prove to be more consistent. Even Arthur in my mind has more of a niche for playing time than McGee at the moment, but who knows, he could finally figure it out, I guess.

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Hickson becomes DNP or comes off the bench. One thing this team needs is a shot blocker. And despite his good game tonight, Hickson to my eye says he's the worst defender on the team and puts up empty stats.
What I hope doesn't happen is Quincy not getting any minutes. This season is a lost cause, but we may as well try to develop Quincy (and Fournier) and get something out of it.
What I hope doesn't happen is Quincy not getting any minutes. This season is a lost cause, but we may as well try to develop Quincy (and Fournier) and get something out of it.
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Powder Blue wrote:I refuse to believe that a stress fracture keeps a guy out 6 months...
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Didn't Yao Ming undergo something similar........?
put the ball in the basket like this
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eathb_au wrote:Hickson becomes DNP or comes off the bench. One thing this team needs is a shot blocker. And despite his good game tonight, Hickson to my eye says he's the worst defender on the team and puts up empty stats.
What I hope doesn't happen is Quincy not getting any minutes. This season is a lost cause, but we may as well try to develop Quincy (and Fournier) and get something out of it.
I do not see Hickson getting DNPs even though I agree he is a terrible defender and puts up empty stats, for some reason Shaw seems to love him. I do think Q is the one who ends up losing out on his minutes. While I think this team slides into the bottom 2 seeds of the playoffs, I do not like the way this season has really gone this year so far.
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Damn JJ just nabbed 24 boards against GS's larger front court and the next day he's getting killed. Faried's D is worse than JJ's IMO...(JJ picked Curry's pocket!....well not exactly but he got the steal)
Rebel how did you see this season going considering the available roster?
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How can anyone consider 11pts 9rb avg empty stats? He's not exactly padding his stats by playing garbage time minutes.
His Low Post defense might not be that great but low post defense is more of a team ability based on how well bigs can help out on the weak side/face up man to man ability. Right now it's clearly our weakness but JJ is not making it worse. If anything he's making it better by snagging up over 6 Defensive rebounds per game, which is by far better than anyone else on the team.
His Low Post defense might not be that great but low post defense is more of a team ability based on how well bigs can help out on the weak side/face up man to man ability. Right now it's clearly our weakness but JJ is not making it worse. If anything he's making it better by snagging up over 6 Defensive rebounds per game, which is by far better than anyone else on the team.
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tstrick33 wrote:Recent quote from Gallo:
"I got over the most boring part, by now. The muscle tone is back, in the gym I lift weights I never lifted before. I work with the ball and changes of direction. Let's say I still have to work on the mental part, the most important one. Because it's inevitable to think about my knee - Said Gallo, who added - I haven't set a date for the comeback. It's a decision we will take further on. Hypothesis to miss this season? Everything can happen. It's an idea that passed through my mind. But then, maybe, I get back before". La Gazzetta Dello Sport.
The way I read that quote is that Gallo is having problems mentally more than anything, but is worried about a set back again.
Powder Blue wrote:Damn JJ just nabbed 24 boards against GS's larger front court and the next day he's getting killed. Faried's D is worse than JJ's IMO...(JJ picked Curry's pocket!....well not exactly but he got the steal)
Rebel how did you see this season going considering the available roster?
According to all the defensive stats out there the Nuggets are worse defensively with Hickson on the court, than with Faried. Although both of them suck. the amazing part of that number is how many more minutes Hickson plays with Mozgov who is by far our best interior and post defender yet Hickson is still terrible.
As for how I felt the season would go, 1st i did not think MCGee would get hurt for basically 3 months as he was relatively healthy, I also thought Gallo would be back a month ago.
but most importantly I thought the Nuggets would use the time those guys were out to find out what they had, and to put themselves into a position to make a consolidation trade when Gallo got back healthy. I was okay with taking a step back this season and fighting for a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs with a late season run, when Gallo got back, but not doing it while watching Hickson, Foye, Andre Miller, and Anthony Randolph eating up minutes (yes I know Randolph is still relatively young, but he has had plenty of minutes to show who he is). I wanted to see Fournier, Q. Miller, Jordan Hamilton (I understand why they did not pick up his option but they should have), McGee (I know he is injured), Mozgov, and Faried get minutes and improve. Faried shows improvements sometimes, Mozgov is showing to be a very good 3rd big, Q. Miller and Hamilton have both been nice players in limited minutes but have their minutes yo yoed depending on other players performance, and Fournier is just now getting dependable minutes over the last couple of week. I could take 2 games over 500 with those guys all a part of the rotation and getting dependable minutes, but watching Hickson and Foye being 2nd and 3rd in total minutes played this season is not what I wanted to see while the team struggles is not what I wanted to see.
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tstrick33 wrote:How can anyone consider 11pts 9rb avg empty stats? He's not exactly padding his stats by playing garbage time minutes.
His Low Post defense might not be that great but low post defense is more of a team ability based on how well bigs can help out on the weak side/face up man to man ability. Right now it's clearly our weakness but JJ is not making it worse. If anything he's making it better by snagging up over 6 Defensive rebounds per game, which is by far better than anyone else on the team.
No offense but it is funny to me how when one guy is said to be putting up empty stats, someone defends them by using basic stats. Those stats are why we said he puts up empty stats.
Here are some stats for you to look at
http://www.82games.com/1314/1314DEN.HTM
Take a look at the Simple ratings on this page, and notice how Hickson is the 3rd worst on the team, only better than McGee who was playing on a broken leg, and Randolph.
Here is a description for simple rating.
The main components of the 'Simple Ratings' are a production measure (a variant of John Hollinger's PER rating) for a player's own stats versus the counterpart player on the other team while he is on the court, as well as a simple on court/off court plus minus. This rating is actually more of a placeholder until the more sophisticated analysis we produce is made public, but still offers a good fast read on player performance.
Now here are some more numbers from 82 games for you to look at.
http://www.82games.com/1314/13DEN13.HTM
Notice Hickson loses 68.6% of his matchups.
also if you go to the bottom of the page you will see that the Nuggets offense is 6.2 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court than they are with him off.
The Nuggets defense is 7.4 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court.
Now look at his best units, he appears to actually be better as a center than a PF which is terrible.
Now if you look at mysynergysports.com you will also find that Hickson is worse at man to man defense than Faried who is actually a better help defender than he is a man defender.
http://www.mysynergysports.com/
So as you can probably tell, regardless of what his stats say, it is not a hard argument to make that Hickson is an empty stats player, as he has a terrible affect on the team while he is on the court.
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but most importantly I thought the Nuggets would use the time those guys were out to find out what they had, and to put themselves into a position to make a consolidation trade when Gallo got back healthy. I was okay with taking a step back this season and fighting for a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs with a late season run, when Gallo got back, but not doing it while watching Hickson, Foye, Andre Miller, and Anthony Randolph eating up minutes (yes I know Randolph is still relatively young, but he has had plenty of minutes to show who he is). I wanted to see Fournier, Q. Miller, Jordan Hamilton (I understand why they did not pick up his option but they should have), McGee (I know he is injured), Mozgov, and Faried get minutes and improve. Faried shows improvements sometimes, Mozgov is showing to be a very good 3rd big, Q. Miller and Hamilton have both been nice players in limited minutes but have their minutes yo yoed depending on other players performance, and Fournier is just now getting dependable minutes over the last couple of week. I could take 2 games over 500 with those guys all a part of the rotation and getting dependable minutes, but watching Hickson and Foye being 2nd and 3rd in total minutes played this season is not what I wanted to see while the team struggles is not what I wanted to see.
Yes Hickson and Foye get a lot of minutes but I don't think Dre or Randolph have. I also think Fournier, Q and Hamilton have all been given a chance to show what they can do. Hamilton has gotten several chances and let's face it, he's not worthy of minutes in the rotation. Fournier got his chance after J Ham and he's shown that he deserves to be in the current rotation. Q is somewhere in the middle, he's still fairly raw but he does come off the bench before J Ham. I don't think Shaw is to the point where he wants to sit vets in order to play the youngin's more which could result in more losses. He's still in the mode of putting the most talent on the floor. Until the front office frees up space for the youngin's you can't expect them to play a lot.
Additionally none of them play the 4/5 like JJ so I don't see his 26.5 mpg taking away from their development.
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Eh, I use basic stats because they're usually the ones that most people look at. I was defending JJ from you guys calling him worthless. In my opinion he has proven to be a nice addition, especially given his size, and his rebounding ability is quite underrated amongst people in this group.
I also remember when the report came out by some statistician proving that Ron Artest was the best player in the league. No one will ever argue in favor of that stat(s).
I also remember when the report came out by some statistician proving that Ron Artest was the best player in the league. No one will ever argue in favor of that stat(s).