Doug McDermott

[Ayt]

wally szczerbiak.
late lotto possibly. i have him early mid teens on my big board.
athleticism is a big a problem, but the other components of defense are effort and intelligence. doug's not lacking in the latter areas. i think he'll at least play hard and smart enough to be a passable team defender.

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

[Talent Chaser]

I really doubt he will be able to create for himself in the nba, he's slow and not athletic, he also doesn't have great size. If he can't play SF he will be useless.

if he can't play as a SF he could still be used as a stretch. also, i'd love to see PFs try to keep up with his constant movement. i'm sure it'd be frustrating as hell. bigs don't like to move around as much as wings.

I'd love to see him try to defend nba 4's. He's 6'7", a poor athlete, and isn't that strong. How in the world would he be able to play the 4? Any sort of advantage he'd have on offense would be cancelled out by his defense. I can't think of a situation where he thrives in the NBA. I don't know really think his ceiling is higher than Korver.

[ManualRam]

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

[ManualRam]

I really doubt he will be able to create for himself in the nba, he's slow and not athletic, he also doesn't have great size. If he can't play SF he will be useless.

if he can't play as a SF he could still be used as a stretch. also, i'd love to see PFs try to keep up with his constant movement. i'm sure it'd be frustrating as hell. bigs don't like to move around as much as wings.

I'd love to see him try to defend nba 4's. He's 6'7", a poor athlete, and isn't that strong. How in the world would he be able to play the 4? Any sort of advantage he'd have on offense would be cancelled out by his defense. I can't think of a situation where he thrives in the NBA. I don't know really think his ceiling is higher than Korver.

there's obviously a give and take with him. but with his shooting ability and iq all over the floor he can present mismatches offensively.
him being mentioned with korver really needs to end.

[Tave]

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

Hahahaha, I was going to say, "I think he could play SF, he'll just be slow," but I like yours better.

[ThereShouldBe4s]

Young Wally was a pretty good athlete. Nothing exceptional by NBA standards, but better than his "white shooter" reputation might lead racists to think. Certainly he was much more athletic than McDermott is.

[ManualRam]

Young Wally was a pretty good athlete. Nothing exceptional by NBA standards, but better than his "white shooter" reputation might lead racists to think. Certainly he was much more athletic than McDermott is.

please. it doesn't take a racist to recognize that wally was lacking in all areas of quickness and couldn't jump over a phone book. he was not a good athlete and that's a big reason why he was a crap defender.

[Ruzious]

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

I agree with that. and Wally could have been a much more effective player playing for the right team. McDermott's got to play on a team that has a good structured team defense approach. He can play effectively for San Antonio, Dallas, Indiana, Chicago, and probably a couple other teams.

[RSCD3_]

Wally was a better athlete than Doug imo, while they both have terrible explosiveness once they got moving wally was faster.

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[jmnvcavs]

I think he's player that can come off the bench on a good team and give you a good 20-25 minutes a game and give you production similar to like Casspi or Derrick Williams would give you 8 points 4ish boards a game.

Also I'm not using those guys as a comparison just saying he could give you similar numbers as those guys.

[Novocaine]

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

I find that dubious, but maybe he can.

Still, will he be able to attack SFs as well as Wally? That strikes me as beyond unlikely, to say the least.

I can see McDermott lure as a scoring role-player at the 4, taking advantage of his shooting and relative quickness. As a wing, I have no idea how he'd produce offensively to offset how terrible he'd be defensively.

[ManualRam]

Wally was a good athlete. He was a legitimate NBA wing. McDermott is stuck at PF and it kills his value. He has terrible size, length, and athleticism for the position.

I really don't see much of an NBA prospect. The fact that people are talking about him in the late lotto or mid-teens is crazy to me. He's a 2nd rounder who very well might be out of the league within 2 years.

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

I find that dubious, but maybe he can.

Still, will he be able to attack SFs as well as Wally? That strikes me as beyond unlikely, to say the least.

I can see McDermott lure as a scoring role-player at the 4, taking advantage of his shooting and relative quickness. As a wing, I have no idea how he'd produce offensively to offset how terrible he'd be defensively.

what exactly was wally in his prime? a knock down spot up shooter with a little bit of box game. well, that describes doug too. doug is a knock down shooter who also scores near the paint via movement, cuts and quick posts. he also has a show-and-go game with an intermediate pull up/push shot game as well as a mid-post face up game where he uses the threat of the shot and his footwork to get off quick releases.

[Novocaine]

wally wasn't a good athlete. he was strong though and defenders had to honor his shot. i think doug can defend SFs as poorly as wally.

I find that dubious, but maybe he can.

Still, will he be able to attack SFs as well as Wally? That strikes me as beyond unlikely, to say the least.

I can see McDermott lure as a scoring role-player at the 4, taking advantage of his shooting and relative quickness. As a wing, I have no idea how he'd produce offensively to offset how terrible he'd be defensively.

what exactly was wally in his prime? a knock down spot up shooter with a little bit of box game. well, that describes doug too. doug is a knock down shooter who also scores near the paint via movement, cuts and quick posts. he also has a show-and-go game with an intermediate pull up/push shot game as well as a mid-post face up game where he uses the threat of the shot and his footwork to get off quick releases.

Catch-and-shoot wasn't even half of Wally's offense and that's adding his cuts off screens to spot-up situations. You're probably thinking of him in the Cavs, post injuries, because in Minny and Boston he was much more dynamic than that. He was one of the best shooters off the dribble in the league. Very good at using fakes and small dribble moves to create space to get his shot off. He was pretty solid at drawing fouls and attacking off the dribble. Difficult to think of spot up shooters with a little bit of box game scoring 20ppg as the second option - in any case, Wally wasn't that. He wasn't even that reliant on his long range shot - his FTrate was always higher than his 3PA rate, something that will probably surprise you, considering how you described him. I have no idea how McDermott will be able to do the same; and I suspect that neither do you, which suggests Wally isn't a good comparison.

I just don't see in McDermott the kind of ball-handling and perimeter shot creation that guys like Wally (or even Dunleavy, or say, Aaron Afflalo) had and he simply isn't as quick as them, cutting, curling, whatever. He's a fundamentally good cutter but he'll struggle to create separation from NBA wings - different story if he's being guarded by slower bigger players.

Anyway, this discussion is a bit immaterial as I dont' believe there's a single team that will seriously consider McDermott as a wing in the NBA.

[ManualRam]

I find that dubious, but maybe he can.

Still, will he be able to attack SFs as well as Wally? That strikes me as beyond unlikely, to say the least.

I can see McDermott lure as a scoring role-player at the 4, taking advantage of his shooting and relative quickness. As a wing, I have no idea how he'd produce offensively to offset how terrible he'd be defensively.

what exactly was wally in his prime? a knock down spot up shooter with a little bit of box game. well, that describes doug too. doug is a knock down shooter who also scores near the paint via movement, cuts and quick posts. he also has a show-and-go game with an intermediate pull up/push shot game as well as a mid-post face up game where he uses the threat of the shot and his footwork to get off quick releases.

Catch-and-shoot wasn't even half of Wally's offense and that's adding his cuts off screens to spot-up situations. You're probably thinking of him in the Cavs, post injuries, because in Minny and Boston he was much more dynamic than that. He was one of the best shooters off the dribble in the league. Very good at using fakes and small dribble moves to create space to get his shot off. He was pretty solid at drawing fouls and attacking off the dribble. Difficult to think of spot up shooters with a little bit of box game scoring 20ppg as the second option - in any case, Wally wasn't that. He wasn't even that reliant on his long range shot - his FTrate was always higher than his 3PA rate, something that will probably surprise you, considering how you described him. I have no idea how McDermott will be able to do the same; and I suspect that neither do you, which suggests Wally isn't a good comparison.

I just don't see in McDermott the kind of ball-handling and perimeter shot creation that guys like Wally (or even Dunleavy, or say, Aaron Afflalo) had and he simply isn't as quick as them, cutting, curling, whatever. He's a fundamentally good cutter but he'll struggle to create separation from NBA wings - different story if he's being guarded by slower bigger players.

Anyway, this discussion is a bit immaterial as I dont' believe there's a single team that will seriously consider McDermott as a wing in the NBA.

no i'm thinking of wally when he was in his prime. he wasn't getting defenders off balance with his athleticism or handle. he used craftiness and strength. he had an excellent shot fake, would show-n-go for one dribble pulls, shoulder defenders to create space, fake/escape dribble for long 2's, used quick down screens for jumpers, etc. well, doug has all that in his arsenal too. the difference b/t the 2 athletically is negligible at best. the main difference b/t the 2 physically is strength, where wally was a bit of a bully which helped him create shots from the midpost (ie shouldering defenders to create space for a lean back jumper). doug might not be quite as strong, but he does know how to use his body, footwork and fakes to create space. he also has an uncanny ability to quick release the ball accurately from odd angles. he's got that cedric ceballos, antawn jamison type game near the painted area where he can flash, catch and quick release the ball before the defense can even react.

wally's FT rate wasn't anything of note. neither was his 3 ball volume, but i suspect if he played in today's game he'd be more 3 ball heavy as opposed to being the master of the long 2. he wasn't a player who could just be given the ball on the perimeter and be expected to go to work. he wasn't that type of shot creator. all the stuff described above was mostly executed off of passes. outside of maybe the midpost area where wally could catch and body other wings, he did not have good iso capability.

i see dougie as primarily a spot up, catch and 1 move, simple down screen shooter from the perimeter, while being a slippery, constant motion, quick release player who can also make himself available for quick posts (like cross screen/flex action), pop up shots in holes in the defense while also being utilized in the ball screen game. when a player knows how to use his teammates, understands how to use screens, understands angles, knows how to read defenders (like reading eyes, foot position, if the defender is cheating) then they will get separation. perpetual motion players are difficult to defend because it requires concentration at all times and coordination among multiple defenders. with doug's uncanny ability to release the ball quickly and accurately, he only needs a sliver of daylight.

guys like wally or dunleavy aren't the shooters that they were/are because of how fast they are or how well they can handle the ball. they got off their shots because they know how to move to get open, which doug does too.

[DaddyCool19]

Anyone sees a smaller version of Ersan Ilyasova? I hope he will be used as a stretch 4 for around 20-25 minutes. Could see him working well next to a defensive anchor and a decent defending Small Forward

[gags1288]

Antawn Jamison is the best comparison, IMO.

[ThereShouldBe4s]

Young Wally was a pretty good athlete. Nothing exceptional by NBA standards, but better than his "white shooter" reputation might lead racists to think. Certainly he was much more athletic than McDermott is.

please. it doesn't take a racist to recognize that wally was lacking in all areas of quickness and couldn't jump over a phone book. he was not a good athlete and that's a big reason why he was a crap defender.

This is just completely false and a perfect example of the white man myth. Maybe you're only a partial racist and just remember old and slow Wally and assumed he was always that way, but coming out of college Wally was a good athlete with a 34" vertical who outperformed guys like Artest and Posey in predraft workouts. Plenty of terrific athletes are awful defenders so it is quite ignorant to assume because a guy is white and can't play D it must be because he's slow.

[Blast Tyrant]

Antawn Jamison is the best comparison, IMO.

I like this better than everyone who insists on comparing him to white guys. He moves without the ball and doesn't need it to score much like Jamison, and is a similar player both athletically and defensively.

[ManualRam]

Young Wally was a pretty good athlete. Nothing exceptional by NBA standards, but better than his "white shooter" reputation might lead racists to think. Certainly he was much more athletic than McDermott is.

please. it doesn't take a racist to recognize that wally was lacking in all areas of quickness and couldn't jump over a phone book. he was not a good athlete and that's a big reason why he was a crap defender.

This is just completely false and a perfect example of the white man myth. Maybe you're only a partial racist and just remember old and slow Wally and assumed he was always that way, but coming out of college Wally was a good athlete with a 34" vertical who outperformed guys like Artest and Posey in predraft workouts. Plenty of terrific athletes are awful defenders so it is quite ignorant to assume because a guy is white and can't play D it must be because he's slow.

i don't assume what i saw. wally was not a good athlete. get over it and put your race card away.

[Ayt]

Antawn Jamison is the best comparison, IMO.

I like this better than everyone who insists on comparing him to white guys. He moves without the ball and doesn't need it to score much like Jamison, and is a similar player both athletically and defensively.

Current Jamison maybe. Comparing him to a young Jamison athletically is certifiable.