McGee question

[The Rebel]

but most importantly I thought the Nuggets would use the time those guys were out to find out what they had, and to put themselves into a position to make a consolidation trade when Gallo got back healthy. I was okay with taking a step back this season and fighting for a 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs with a late season run, when Gallo got back, but not doing it while watching Hickson, Foye, Andre Miller, and Anthony Randolph eating up minutes (yes I know Randolph is still relatively young, but he has had plenty of minutes to show who he is). I wanted to see Fournier, Q. Miller, Jordan Hamilton (I understand why they did not pick up his option but they should have), McGee (I know he is injured), Mozgov, and Faried get minutes and improve. Faried shows improvements sometimes, Mozgov is showing to be a very good 3rd big, Q. Miller and Hamilton have both been nice players in limited minutes but have their minutes yo yoed depending on other players performance, and Fournier is just now getting dependable minutes over the last couple of week. I could take 2 games over 500 with those guys all a part of the rotation and getting dependable minutes, but watching Hickson and Foye being 2nd and 3rd in total minutes played this season is not what I wanted to see while the team struggles is not what I wanted to see.

Yes Hickson and Foye get a lot of minutes but I don't think Dre or Randolph have. I also think Fournier, Q and Hamilton have all been given a chance to show what they can do. Hamilton has gotten several chances and let's face it, he's not worthy of minutes in the rotation. Fournier got his chance after J Ham and he's shown that he deserves to be in the current rotation. Q is somewhere in the middle, he's still fairly raw but he does come off the bench before J Ham. I don't think Shaw is to the point where he wants to sit vets in order to play the youngin's more which could result in more losses. He's still in the mode of putting the most talent on the floor. Until the front office frees up space for the youngin's you can't expect them to play a lot.

Additionally none of them play the 4/5 like JJ so I don't see his 26.5 mpg taking away from their development.

Dre was getting more minutes than he deserved as was Randolph, do you forget that Randolph started games at SF and has played minutes there?

also until the last 2 weeks when have Fournier and Q gotten a chance to show anything? Playing a guy 5 minutes occasionally is not a chance to show something, that is barely enough time to start getting warmed up, especially when it only happens occasionally.

By the way Q and Chandler both played a majority of their minutes at PF last year, so it is not out of the equation that either one could get minutes at the 4 this year, as opposed to overplaying Hickson. Not to mention that Faried has had his minutes cut this year as well, considering how much better the

Also I thought Hamilton played well in his minutes, sure his defense is suspect, but no more suspect than Foye, Hamilton has been the better shooter, he was better at rebounding the ball, and the defense did not get worse with him on the court. Personally I think it is more politics and him not having his option picked up next year for the reason he got his minutes cut, but if Shaw's true goal is to win, than why did he suddenly bench Hamilton in favor of Foye when Foye had been horrible for the previous 5 weeks?



The one thing we seem to agree on is that it is up to the front office to create room for the young guys to play, I have never understood why Hickson especially was brought in, when it was obvious that the Nuggets needed a 3rd center. I also did not understand why they brought in both Foye and Robinson if your goal is to develop Fournier and Hamilton, plus you already have Miller in the fold. But it is not up to the front office how shaw allocates minutes, and Shaw is still making some poor choices on how he allocates minutes.

[The Rebel]

Eh, I use basic stats because they're usually the ones that most people look at. I was defending JJ from you guys calling him worthless. In my opinion he has proven to be a nice addition, especially given his size, and his rebounding ability is quite underrated amongst people in this group.

I also remember when the report came out by some statistician proving that Ron Artest was the best player in the league. No one will ever argue in favor of that stat(s).

sure there are some anomolies with advanced stats, but there is also a lot of truth to many of them if you watch the games.

Answer me this why were the Trailblazers a lottery team last year and one of the top 5 teams so far this year? Their starting 5 is basically the same outside of exchanging Hickson for Lopez, there bench is actually worse this year than last, they even have the same coaching staff. Hickson even put up better numbers last year, yet not even half way through the season they have won almost as many games this year as they did the entire season last year.

If you think that is a fluke, tell me why when Hickson is on the court the Nuggets interior defense is so terrible? Every game it is a layup line for the opposing team when Hickson is at center. The Nuggets especially in the 1st half of the 1st and 3rd quarters are shredded in the middle, but it does not get much better when Faried is out of the lineup either, in fact it stays pretty much the same when Hickson is on the court.

Rebounds are nice, but the fact is Hickson is not even in the top 25 for defensive rebounding, and his defense is terrible, he gives up more to the opposing team than he produces, and if you pay attention you can see it. One or two good plays a game do not make up for dozens of bad plays every game, and you can see it if you watch him during the games, and the advanced stats show it, hickson is a detriment on the court.

[nomansland]

There's really no question that JJ is a poor, perhaps terrible interior defender. Both the stats and the eyeball test back it up. Even in the GS game he missed rotations and failed to close out. We're lucky Jackson foolishly kept Bogut out of the game because he'd have eaten JJ alive.

If you don't believe me, just focus on him for half of one game and you'll see why almost immediately.

[Powder Blue]

Dre was getting more minutes than he deserved as was Randolph, do you forget that Randolph started games at SF and has played minutes there?

also until the last 2 weeks when have Fournier and Q gotten a chance to show anything? Playing a guy 5 minutes occasionally is not a chance to show something, that is barely enough time to start getting warmed up, especially when it only happens occasionally.

By the way Q and Chandler both played a majority of their minutes at PF last year, so it is not out of the equation that either one could get minutes at the 4 this year, as opposed to overplaying Hickson. Not to mention that Faried has had his minutes cut this year as well, considering how much better the

Also I thought Hamilton played well in his minutes, sure his defense is suspect, but no more suspect than Foye, Hamilton has been the better shooter, he was better at rebounding the ball, and the defense did not get worse with him on the court. Personally I think it is more politics and him not having his option picked up next year for the reason he got his minutes cut, but if Shaw's true goal is to win, than why did he suddenly bench Hamilton in favor of Foye when Foye had been horrible for the previous 5 weeks?



The one thing we seem to agree on is that it is up to the front office to create room for the young guys to play, I have never understood why Hickson especially was brought in, when it was obvious that the Nuggets needed a 3rd center. I also did not understand why they brought in both Foye and Robinson if your goal is to develop Fournier and Hamilton, plus you already have Miller in the fold. But it is not up to the front office how shaw allocates minutes, and Shaw is still making some poor choices on how he allocates minutes.

Randolph starter a whole 2 games, Hamilton starter 10 and both Hamilton and Fournier have played in twice the amount of games that Randolph has. I said that Hamilton has had his chances not F and Q, I agree they are only now getting a shot but giving everyone a shot at the end of the bench takes time.

JJ only plays 26 mpg, that's hardly over-playing in my eyes. You know we'd get killed in the post most nights if Q played the 4 spot. Also Foye is shooting .538 with 16/3/3 numbers in his last 10. Are you saying he should be sat so Hamilton can get yet another chance when he's only shooting .398 this year? Look at the game logs, Hamilton got steady minutes for over a month and he was inconsistent and shot poorly. Now Fournier is getting those minutes and he's being much more productive.

I only keep going back to all this because I don't think the team is better off by benching Foye and JJ in favor of Fournier, Q and Hamilton getting 25 min a night. I also don't see why JJ gets killed for his piss-poor D yet Faried's equally terrible D goes unnoticed.

[The Rebel]

Dre was getting more minutes than he deserved as was Randolph, do you forget that Randolph started games at SF and has played minutes there?

also until the last 2 weeks when have Fournier and Q gotten a chance to show anything? Playing a guy 5 minutes occasionally is not a chance to show something, that is barely enough time to start getting warmed up, especially when it only happens occasionally.

By the way Q and Chandler both played a majority of their minutes at PF last year, so it is not out of the equation that either one could get minutes at the 4 this year, as opposed to overplaying Hickson. Not to mention that Faried has had his minutes cut this year as well, considering how much better the

Also I thought Hamilton played well in his minutes, sure his defense is suspect, but no more suspect than Foye, Hamilton has been the better shooter, he was better at rebounding the ball, and the defense did not get worse with him on the court. Personally I think it is more politics and him not having his option picked up next year for the reason he got his minutes cut, but if Shaw's true goal is to win, than why did he suddenly bench Hamilton in favor of Foye when Foye had been horrible for the previous 5 weeks?



The one thing we seem to agree on is that it is up to the front office to create room for the young guys to play, I have never understood why Hickson especially was brought in, when it was obvious that the Nuggets needed a 3rd center. I also did not understand why they brought in both Foye and Robinson if your goal is to develop Fournier and Hamilton, plus you already have Miller in the fold. But it is not up to the front office how shaw allocates minutes, and Shaw is still making some poor choices on how he allocates minutes.

Randolph starter a whole 2 games, Hamilton starter 10 and both Hamilton and Fournier have played in twice the amount of games that Randolph has. I said that Hamilton has had his chances not F and Q, I agree they are only now getting a shot but giving everyone a shot at the end of the bench takes time.

JJ only plays 26 mpg, that's hardly over-playing in my eyes. You know we'd get killed in the post most nights if Q played the 4 spot. Also Foye is shooting .538 with 16/3/3 numbers in his last 10. Are you saying he should be sat so Hamilton can get yet another chance when he's only shooting .398 this year? Look at the game logs, Hamilton got steady minutes for over a month and he was inconsistent and shot poorly. Now Fournier is getting those minutes and he's being much more productive.

I only keep going back to all this because I don't think the team is better off by benching Foye and JJ in favor of Fournier, Q and Hamilton getting 25 min a night. I also don't see why JJ gets killed for his piss-poor D yet Faried's equally terrible D goes unnoticed.

JJ is getting killed because he is consistantly worse on defense than Faried, I know the announcers only like to point out Faried's problems, but it is pretty obvious if you watch the big men who the worst defender on the team is. Also the offense and energy are both considerably better when Faried is on the court, and Hickson is on the bench.

Let me put it this way, when I was a kid I was always the tallest guy on the court, I was a center in organized ball, I learned how to do post moves, and play defense in the post. Due to that I have always enjoyed watching the big men, and this goes all the way back to watching Issel. Hickson is solid in man to man post defense, other than that he is terrible at everything else on the court.

What you do not understand is that the Nuggets are getting killed in the post every single night, the difference is that Q Miller can and does block shots, and is also a good rebounder, but he is not terrible on offense as well. You have Hickson playing 26 mpg while the Nuggets are 13.6 points worse per 100 possessions on both ends. Think about that for a minute, -13.6 is terrible for comparison Faried is +2.9 points per 100 possessions, Q is +4.6 per 100 possessions, so while you say that the Nuggets would be worse giving Q more minutes and cutting JJs, the stats show differently. In fact the only one worse than JJ is Randolph who makes the team -14.6 points per 100 possessions worse.

[tstrick33]

Haha is anyone going to watch McGee's reality show premiering tonight on Oprah's channel?

[josh_nuggets]

Haha is anyone going to watch McGee's reality show premiering tonight on Oprah's channel?

If it was on in Australia I would