The Great Debate: Otto Porters Roadmap

Brenice · Post #41 » by **Brenice** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:36 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Brenice wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
What makes you say that? I probably missed Ted's comments...

Cause they didn't need Otto and Ted is a Georgetown alum. Also, other players were available.

Wasn't Otto Porter in the top 5 of virtually every mock draft? I was just wondering if you had any inside information or insight on why this was Ted's pick vs. EG's pick vs. consensus scouting pick.

2 + 2 = Ted on Otto. Not excusing Ernie on anything else.

The Consiglieri · Post #42 » by **The Consiglieri** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:57 pm

AFM wrote:Guy looks lost out there. I thought he was the most NBA ready pick. Isn't that why we picked him over EVERY other player in the lottery, ALL who had more potential?
He was the safe pick.

I never bought that argument, I always have gotten nervous with players that have write ups and track records like Otto's. When you don't see anything "great," and when you don't see athleticism either, there's plenty of reason to worry, when you're being told he's a great shooter because of one four month stretch of games (when the same people were saying Beal sucked because that similar 4 month stretch trumped his previous 4 year stretch in high school that had him so highly thought of in the first place), when there's not a lot of evidence other than that small window of him being a great shooter alarms begin going off.

Posters got me to buy in on the idea that he was a good rebounder at the next level and a very good college rebounder, and he had tremendous BBIQ, but everything else that matters was lacking and that Jack of all trades and master of none concern was really, really alarming me.

I never saw him as a safe pick, I always saw him as a guy with a moderately low floor and a low ceiling. I didn't think this nightmare was going to happen, and I never thought the team was going to keep Ariza and Webster and Porter. That made zero sense.

Noel should have been the pick all along. I was utterly stunned when he wasn't, and nothing that's transpired since has changed my mind about what was done.

I see this situation as a minimization of value across the board, period. The team is going to get nothing from Ariza and he won't be coming back, Porter won't get the minutes he needs to develop, and Webster won't get the consistent minutes to justify the salary, but will get enough minutes to stunt Porter's growth.

Across the board this was a horrendous debacle, and the only move that would make sense would be to move Ariza for a pick this year, or a less protected one next, but it wont be done because the GM will be operating on maximizing W-L results before his contract expires.

It's amazing to see just how poorly constructed the roster is, and how extraordinarily inept the planning has been. Just stunning.

Sonny Carson · Post #43 » by **Sonny Carson** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:35 pm

I like Otto as a player..

but I really wanted the Wizards to draft Noel. Yea I knew he wasnt going to make the impact of Otto (which turns out...he isnt), but I thought it'd be a great prospect for the Wiz down the road.

Noel (assuming he comes back healthy) could be Anthony Davis....without the offense. If he's just a 9pt 10 board 2sts 2.5 blk player. You take that all day.

Kanyewest · Post #44 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:04 pm

Injury concerns about Noel scare me. Worst case for Philly is that they will probably still get a top 10 pick in a deep draft in the Jrue Holiday trade and they ended up getting MCW anyways.

BTW, did anybody have MCW ahead of Porter going into the draft?

mhd · Post #45 » by **mhd** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:07 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Injury concerns about Noel scare me. Worst case for Philly is that they will probably still get a top 10 pick in a deep draft in the Jrue Holiday trade and they ended up getting MCW anyways.

BTW, did anybody have MCW ahead of Porter going into the draft?

I probably did, LOL, but then I then again, I'm the biggest Porter hater on the board. I hated the pick from day 1. I don't think I posted much on MCW b/c we had Wall (I did like Trey Burke alot). I do remember saying that Tony Snell was a better prospect. Based on the way he's played against us with the Bulls, Snell may be a better prospect.

The Consiglieri · Post #46 » by **The Consiglieri** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:28 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Injury concerns about Noel scare me. Worst case for Philly is that they will probably still get a top 10 pick in a deep draft in the Jrue Holiday trade and they ended up getting MCW anyways.

BTW, did anybody have MCW ahead of Porter going into the draft?

I don't think anyone did, but I do know there was a love of love about MCW's upside, the issue was that he had never put any of the talent/upside together, and become the player that might have been possible if he had the motor, BBIQ, and consistency necessary to go from potentially great to great. His play hasn't been shocking so much as just culmination of a bunch of disparate elements that hadn't come together, coming all together at once.

closg00 · Post #47 » by **closg00** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:36 am

Kanyewest wrote:If the Wizards don't trade Ariza, the Wizards should consider sending Porter to the D-league if he's cut out of the rotation entirely.

+1 Follow the Wiretap headlines, rookies who aren't part of rotation are playing in the D-League. Porter and Rice should playing full-time in the D.

verbal8 · Post #48 » by **verbal8** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:40 pm

closg00 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:If the Wizards don't trade Ariza, the Wizards should consider sending Porter to the D-league if he's cut out of the rotation entirely.

+1 Follow the Wiretap headlines, rookies who aren't part of rotation are playing in the D-League. Porter and Rice should playing full-time in the D.

Apparently their are rumors of that happening:

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... ocid=yahoo

pancakes3 · Post #49 » by **pancakes3** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:22 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1924 ... rds-career

Can't argue with much.

Kanyewest · Post #50 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:39 pm

pancakes3 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1924905-breaking-down-what-otto-porter-must-do-to-jumpstart-washington-wizards-career

Can't argue with much.

Yup, I agree especially on the point that he needs to improve his 3 point shot- I hope the Wizards have him shoot 3s instead of those 15-17 footers.

dckingsfan · Post #51 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:35 pm

Interesting looking at the rookies from this year playing more that 12.5 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

dckingsfan · Post #52 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:40 pm

Adams, Plumlee, Antic and Olynyk would certainly have received solid minutes on this team - I feel that would have moved past Vesely and Seraphin in the rotation.

I think that Burke or MCW would certainly be the backup PG and would have seen minutes.

I think Hardaway, Oladipo and GA would have also been able to bust a few minutes loose behind Ariza/Webster and Beal - but maybe not 12.5 minutes per game.

I will ignore Noel since he is still injured.

Unless Porter takes a huge jump next year, the correct move (in hindsight) was to trade down and try to get one of the bigs and one of the PGs.

Dat2U · Post #53 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:38 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Interesting looking at the rookies from this year playing more that 12.5 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

It's gone under the radar just how bad Oladipo has been playing. He's gotten a ton of minutes and outside of a few bright moments, he's generally been terrible. McLemore is as bad as I predicted he would be & Cody Zeller has been a complete disaster. After a quick start, Trey Burke's play has trailed off significantly and his defense is indescribably wretched. I wonder if he'll ever be a passable defender.

Upper Decker · Post #54 » by **Upper Decker** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:45 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting looking at the rookies from this year playing more that 12.5 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

It's gone under the radar just how bad Oladipo has been playing. He's gotten a ton of minutes and outside of a few bright moments, he's generally been terrible. McLemore is as bad as I predicted he would be & Cody Zeller has been a complete disaster. After a quick start, Trey Burke's play has trailed off significantly and his defense is indescribably wretched. I wonder if he'll ever be a passable defender.

This just shows how cursed this team is. Biggest jump in franchise history in the lotto and they move up for this flaming pile of bullshine. The draft 2013 draft is the worst of all time by a country mile.

dckingsfan · Post #55 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:50 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting looking at the rookies from this year playing more that 12.5 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

It's gone under the radar just how bad Oladipo has been playing. He's gotten a ton of minutes and outside of a few bright moments, he's generally been terrible. McLemore is as bad as I predicted he would be & Cody Zeller has been a complete disaster. After a quick start, Trey Burke's play has trailed off significantly and his defense is indescribably wretched. I wonder if he'll ever be a passable defender.

Good points Dat... I think that Burke would still get some minutes if he was on this team and certainly MCW.

Not sure what to think about Oladipo or McLemore - both have the tools to be pretty good on the defensive end over time. And Zeller is definitely not at the same level as Adams, Plumlee, Antic and Olynyk.

The Consiglieri · Post #56 » by **The Consiglieri** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:35 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Interesting looking at the rookies from this year playing more that 12.5 mpg.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =ws_per_48

It's gone under the radar just how bad Oladipo has been playing. He's gotten a ton of minutes and outside of a few bright moments, he's generally been terrible. McLemore is as bad as I predicted he would be & Cody Zeller has been a complete disaster. After a quick start, Trey Burke's play has trailed off significantly and his defense is indescribably wretched. I wonder if he'll ever be a passable defender.

This just shows how cursed this team is. Biggest jump in franchise history in the lotto and they move up for this flaming pile of bullshine. The draft 2013 draft is the worst of all time by a country mile.

Give it time, '00 is a pretty impressive gold standard.

Dark Faze · Post #57 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:31 pm

I posted this in the trade thread but it deserves being reposted in this tread:
Beal was better, but still atrocious:

In 25 games Beal shot around 35% from the field and 27% from deep for a TS% of around 45 and averaging around 12 and 4 in 30 MPG.

Obviously there's more production, but it's terrible and atrocious production. If you cut that production to per 10 mpg (basically what Otto is playing), you'd get 4 ppg and 1.3 RPG on 35% FG and 27% 3P.

With Walls absence at the time in combination with us not having a two guard, Beal was "forced" to play through his issues. Porter hasn't had the benefit. If Beal had quality play in front of him he would never have seen minutes with that sort of production early on.

queridiculo · Post #58 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:52 am

It's kind of funny, before Noels injury this looked very much like a one player draft.

The one "can't miss prospect" drops to the Wiz, and of course the Wizards draft a player at the one position they're absolutely loaded at.

#SoWizards

pancakes3 · Post #59 » by **pancakes3** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:45 am

On my phone and don't know how to do this but Gortat just tweeted a pic of him and booker post-lift all flexed out and porter looking disinterested on the side

Kanyewest · Post #60 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:28 am

queridiculo wrote:It's kind of funny, before Noels injury this looked very much like a one player draft.

The one "can't miss prospect" drops to the Wiz, and of course the Wizards draft a player at the one position they're absolutely loaded at.

#SoWizards

If Noel was a can't miss prospect, how come he fell to six and then he was immediately traded? Noel can turn out to be a solid pro but I'm not as sure as you are that he is a sure thing. Certainly the way Porter is playing, I can understand the sentiment of wanting someone else.

What do we do with Porter?