Pistons fan blasphemy! Make offer for Andre.

[coolness]

As good as Drummond has been, I wouldn't bet the field on him. He's not enough of an offensive threat and his lack of free throw shooting capability obviously scares me. Sure, it wasn't a problem for Shaq, but Shaq was arguably the most dominant offensive force the game has EVER seen. Drummond has a long way to go before he becomes anything like that on offense, and until we see improvement in that regard, I think it's safe to say that he's not worth the price the Pistons would obviously demand for him. If Goodwin doesn't excite you, we could sub in a future pick. I just don't feel comfortable giving up all our picks this year along with all our prospects from last year for a guy we can't depend on offensively. Also, it's good for Indy because they move on completely from Granger, get rid of Copeland at the same time, while getting Stuckey to be the x-factor for the playoffs. At least Stuckey has proven to be able to produce all season long, it's been almost 2 seasons since Granger has done anything of value on the court.

Well said.

[OleSchool]

Just for fun,

I know you said no EC teams but what if the Sixers offered you their unconditional pick this year (currently we are the 3rd worst team, record wise), and whatever play that matches up with Drummonds salary. DET would have a real chance at Wiggins, Parker, Embiid.

Add that to an estabilished FC of Smith and Monroe and you guys would be contenders in the EC in about 2 years?

[Trader_Joe]

Just for fun,

I know you said no EC teams but what if the Sixers offered you their unconditional pick this year (currently we are the 3rd worst team, record wise), and whatever play that matches up with Drummonds salary. DET would have a real chance at Wiggins, Parker, Embiid.

Add that to an estabilished FC of Smith and Monroe and you guys would be contenders in the EC in about 2 years?

Yeah...I think the EC teams can offer a lot more. The West has few tanking teams and those that are don't have their pick to trade like Sacramento, NO, LAL..unless it were a draft night deal.

Philly
Cleveland
Orlando
Boston
Milwaukee
Atlanta

Could offer a lot in comparison.

[BleedGreen1989]

Just for fun,

I know you said no EC teams but what if the Sixers offered you their unconditional pick this year (currently we are the 3rd worst team, record wise), and whatever play that matches up with Drummonds salary. DET would have a real chance at Wiggins, Parker, Embiid.

Add that to an estabilished FC of Smith and Monroe and you guys would be contenders in the EC in about 2 years?

Yeah...I think the EC teams can offer a lot more. The West has few tanking teams and those that are don't have their pick to trade like Sacramento, NO, LAL..unless it were a draft night deal.

Philly
Cleveland
Orlando
Boston
Milwaukee
Atlanta

Could offer a lot in comparison.

Quick, delete Boston from your list!

Or else the dreaded Rondo/Drummond trade talks will come back!

I don't think I can read anymore of the two fanbases bantering back and forth on this subject.

[Trader_Joe]

Just for fun,

I know you said no EC teams but what if the Sixers offered you their unconditional pick this year (currently we are the 3rd worst team, record wise), and whatever play that matches up with Drummonds salary. DET would have a real chance at Wiggins, Parker, Embiid.

Add that to an estabilished FC of Smith and Monroe and you guys would be contenders in the EC in about 2 years?

Yeah...I think the EC teams can offer a lot more. The West has few tanking teams and those that are don't have their pick to trade like Sacramento, NO, LAL..unless it were a draft night deal.

Philly
Cleveland
Orlando
Boston
Milwaukee
Atlanta

Could offer a lot in comparison.

Quick, delete Boston from your list!

Or else the dreaded Rondo/Drummond trade talks will come back!

I don't think I can read anymore of the two fanbases bantering back and forth on this subject.

I'd pair them.

Green, Bradley, Faverani, multiple 1sts

A PG/SG
A SG/SF/PF
A C

and then picks to make up value...you guys have a ton.

[nyc6]

I have been saying since his rookie year that he's a sell high about 1-1.5 years before he gets his Max contract

I think many people forgot why making an NBA roster is difficult for some very talened players- because you have to be able to consistently knock down FT's. Shaq, Dwight and Ben Wallace are exceptionally good so they make it up for it. Deandre Jordan will never become an all-star and I can't see doc playing him much in 4th quarter in playoffs whether being ahead or even behind

I thought drummond's FT% will be around 55% this year. Jeez I was wrong. You have to be like all time great to make up for this current FT%. Yes I know it's sad but talk to the NbA, not me. That's simply how it works

Idk but would like Drummond for JV, Ross, 2014 #1, 2015 #1 get teams to bite?

I remember I got flamed hard because ppl said his FT form looked great. Has his form changed at all?

Monroe and smith also have almost no trade value at all (I love Monroe, but he's basically a 5 month rental). Trading Drummond may be the answer if some NBa GM values him like crazy.

[Golabki]

I think this might be the height of Drummond's value.

In a year or 2 the conversation is going to switch from "oh my god, it you see that dunk/block, the skies the limit!" to "he puts up great defensive numbers, but is he actually a great defensive player? And, by the way, you can't play him in the 4th quarter because his FT stroke makes Dwight Howard look like Ray Allen".

This is basically what happened to D. Jordan (or Biedriens)... although admitted, Drummond is more impressive.

The guy you want him to turn into (freak athelete with zero offensive skills) is Dwight, who never really learned to shoot or dribble, but developed enough of a post game to be deadly one-on-one and was the best defensive player in the league (in his prime).

I feel like it's probably an 80% chance of "rich man's Jordan" and 20% chance of "poor man's Dwight".

[Knosh]

Yeah his FT shooting is a major issue. There is a huge difference between shooting 55% or 38% on FTs. I'm really surprised that people don't care and no one seems to put him on the line.

[The Rebel]

What could Detroit get for Andre Drummond?
12.67 ppg 12.67 rbg 1.85 bpg 1.38 spg .597 fpg 32.6 mpg turned 20 last August

Rules. Not that you have to follow them.
1. No Eastern Conference team getting Drummond. That is way too much scary.
2. good small forward coming back.
3. good back-up center coming back.
4. picks coming back.
5. you are the one taking bad contracts if any.


One I thought of close to a Monroe fanboy trade (make it Drummond and have Den pay more)

Drummond
Will Bynum (decent but we don't need him)
Jonas Jerebko (technically can help you but doesn't help us)
Tony Mitchell (technically has potential, doubt he would realize it in Detroit)

for

Wilson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov
1st of 2014 (better of Den and NY picks)
1st of 2016 (better of Den and NY picks)
1st of 2018 (Denver's unconditional)
Two 2nd's of 2014 (Den and Por)
2nd of 2016
2nd of 2017
2nd of 2019
2nd of 2020

Honestly I still think Denver could be winning this trade. It's a lot to process and I'm drinking.

Just for fun I hope you make an offer for Awesome Andre. It would be crazy if that is the best thing for the Pistons. Moose and Smoove are frustrating but good. What if the Pistons just need to trade Andre?

those 2 players and 10 picks is more than it would take to trade for a proven superstar, I do not see any team giving up nearly that much for Drummond.

[BadWolf]

Westbrook, lamb for Drummond, Jennings, cv

Okc would never do it Of course, unless russ is out for the season.

[BadWolf]

Yeah his FT shooting is a major issue. There is a huge difference between shooting 55% or 38% on FTs. I'm really surprised that people don't care and no one seems to put him on the line.

Poistons aren't good enough for anyone to care.

[BadWolf]

Another possibility with Boston. Wait a few games so rondo proves his worth.

Jennings, Drummond for rondo, green. .. Boston now probably has to throw in a sweetener, but they have tons of picks.

[Umbra]

those 2 players and 10 picks is more than it would take to trade for a proven superstar, I do not see any team giving up nearly that much for Drummond.

Do you honestly think that? Which teams would trade their superstar for that?

[BleedGreen1989]

Another possibility with Boston. Wait a few games so rondo proves his worth.

Jennings, Drummond for rondo, green. .. Boston now probably has to throw in a sweetener, but they have tons of picks.

Uh oh, you have no idea what you've done...

[BleedGreen1989]

those 2 players and 10 picks is more than it would take to trade for a proven superstar, I do not see any team giving up nearly that much for Drummond.

Do you honestly think that? Which teams would trade their superstar for that?

Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mosgov, and 3 first round picks could likely land you a star.

Chastise me for not having any examples, but I don't think what Rebel said is that outrageous.

[Trader_Joe]

those 2 players and 10 picks is more than it would take to trade for a proven superstar, I do not see any team giving up nearly that much for Drummond.

Do you honestly think that? Which teams would trade their superstar for that?

Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mosgov, and 3 first round picks could likely land you a star.

Chastise me for not having any examples, but I don't think what Rebel said is that outrageous.

He said proven superstar.

That is...
LBJ
Durant
Paul
Howard
Harden
George
Love

And a few others.
Do we really think Chandler, Mozgov and picks can get those guys?
They can't otherwise they would have yesterday.

[BleedGreen1989]

Do you honestly think that? Which teams would trade their superstar for that?

Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mosgov, and 3 first round picks could likely land you a star.

Chastise me for not having any examples, but I don't think what Rebel said is that outrageous.

He said proven superstar.

That is...
LBJ
Durant
Paul
Howard
Harden
George
Love

And a few others.
Do we really think Chandler, Mozgov and picks can get those guys?
They can't otherwise they would have yesterday.

True.

Difference between star and superstar.

[Umbra]

those 2 players and 10 picks is more than it would take to trade for a proven superstar, I do not see any team giving up nearly that much for Drummond.

Do you honestly think that? Which teams would trade their superstar for that?

Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mosgov, and 3 first round picks could likely land you a star.

Chastise me for not having any examples, but I don't think what Rebel said is that outrageous.

Star hell yes.

Superstar hell no.

EDIT: See you have already acknowledged that.

[GANGSTERDOG]

Vuc, Tobias Harris and Afflalo
For
Drummond/ bad contract.

Best Offer here
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[MotownMadness]

This thread is stupid. There's no way were trading Drummond for anything other than a superstar. Other wise it's not worth it. All Drummond needs is a few more years experience and a hook shot which he is starting to develop already but he just never gets touches because of Dumars stupid roster he built. He has all the tools to become a defensive anchor with experience and a 15-18ppg player. I will say in two years he will look like this while being a defensive force.

16ppg,15rpg, 3blks, 1.8stls at 22 years old. So yeah I'm good on trading him for lesser parts.