Joel Embiid

[No-Man]

I give up. Embiid is the clear #1 right now.

Parker has no case over him right now.

Please look at the teams that could be picking1, take the ones with some odds 2.9% or higher,

Milwaukee, have Sanders, Henson plays better as a Center they need a perimeter star badly
Orlando, have Vucevic, and nope he can't play PF, they need a perimeter reference
Philadelphia, possible, Noel is nothing sure, and he could be better as a PF
Utah, have Kanter, Favors plays better as a Center, they need a perimeter star badly
Boston, possible, I think that Danny Ainge is in love with Jabari though
Sacramento, have Cousins, they need a stud that can be a franchise caliber player
Cleveland, obviously they will take Embiid
Denver, possible, they have McGee and Mozgov, plus Hickson that are serviciable, I think they will pick a perimeter star, they need that more than a Center given their style.

So, out of 9 teams, you have 3-4 that could pick Embiid.

He is not the clear #1 because of the teams that could be picking and the competence, there are some prospects in his same tier.

It is what it is, Embiid could go 1, but is far from a sure thing that he will, it'll depend on the team picking 1.

[miltk]

it depends on whether cleveland will be picking #1

[moss_is_1]

I think he's ahead of Wiggins/Parker, who cares about people like Kanter, Vucevic, Sanders, McGee when you can get a center prospect that comes around once every decade. Wiggins and Parker aren't exactly sure things.

Also, those teams have pretty decent wing prospects, too.
Milwaukee - Giannis, still have Mayo, and Middleton has been good.
Orlando - Afflalo, Harris, Harkless, VO
Philly - Think they would take Embiid anyway
Utah - Hayward, Burks, still might take a wing
Boston - Jeff Green, Bradley, bigs are pretty weak after Sully...
Sac - Gay is playing great, just picked McLemore...Need a rim protector next to Cousins
Cleveland - Embiid all the way
Denver - Gallo, Chandler, can trade away the bigs...no one is that special

[No-Man]

Seriously, if Embiid were clearly, clearly the best prospect and a nº1, I will be okay with picking him ahead of Parker.
Obviously it is not the case, and there are teams, most of them, that need desperaterly a perimeter star.
Giannis plays better as a SG, Mayo is putrid and Middleton is a role player, they need a reference.
Harris is a role player, Afflalo days are numbered, they are using VO as a combo, and Harkless is god awful.
Philly could take Embiid, yes.
Utah NEEDS a wing.
Boston should take Embiid, Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sullinger-Embiid is a nice starting 5, I'm not sure, I think Ainge love Parker and will go with the scorer, and they surely need a go-to-guy to be able to retain RR.
Gay is a FA in 2015, might try to get money this summer if he keeps playing great, he is no franchise player, McLemore either, Thomas is a 6th man, Embiid is not just a rim protector, they need a role player next to Cousins, no another Center.
Cleveland is clear.
Denver could take him sure, but they need more like a perimeter stud, or a PF, depends on where they end up playing Gallo after the injuries, I can see them going either way, but McGee contract is difficult to move and Mozgov is a really good two way Center.

So, still, 3-4 teams, but as you can see most of the others need a wing, if you add other possible teams...

Lakers need Bryant heir, that will be a wing guy, they could go with Embiid also.
Charlotte need a perimeter stud
Minnesota need a perimeter stud to pair with Love
Memphis clearly need a wing
Atlanta could use Embiid, I don't see the fit with Horford, and they really need wings, and a franchise player in the wings
Detroit, Chicago and Phoenix, all of them need wings star projects.

So it's still more crystal clear that Embiid's odds are lower than Parker/Wiggins, it is what it is like I said.
And I like him as a prospect, I hope he ends up in a good situation, I like Philly and Boston for him
Cleveland too but they should not get a top pick again, they don't deserve it I hate that kid.

[dautjazz]

As a Jazz fan, I expected much more from Parker and Wiggins, I expected something like Durant's college freshman stats, but they are nowhere near that. To me it's going to come down to BPA, and if we have the #1 pick, I'd probably take Embiid at this point. Favors and Embiid would basically make it impossible to score in the post for opposing teams, and cause chaos on offense too. Kind of like a poor man's Duncan/Robinson duo.

[EricAnderson]

I give up. Embiid is the clear #1 right now.

Parker has no case over him right now.

Please look at the teams that could be picking1, take the ones with some odds 2.9% or higher,

Milwaukee, have Sanders, Henson plays better as a Center they need a perimeter star badly
Orlando, have Vucevic, and nope he can't play PF, they need a perimeter reference
Philadelphia, possible, Noel is nothing sure, and he could be better as a PF
Utah, have Kanter, Favors plays better as a Center, they need a perimeter star badly
Boston, possible, I think that Danny Ainge is in love with Jabari though
Sacramento, have Cousins, they need a stud that can be a franchise caliber player
Cleveland, obviously they will take Embiid
Denver, possible, they have McGee and Mozgov, plus Hickson that are serviciable, I think they will pick a perimeter star, they need that more than a Center given their style.

So, out of 9 teams, you have 3-4 that could pick Embiid.

He is not the clear #1 because of the teams that could be picking and the competence, there are some prospects in his same tier.

It is what it is, Embiid could go 1, but is far from a sure thing that he will, it'll depend on the team picking 1.

When youre as bad as the early lotto teams you take bpa unless you have a franchise player at that same positon..

If these teams think Embiid is the best player in the draft and can be a dominant center for the next 10 to 15 years then they'll take him..Im sorry but players like Kanter or Vucecic or Henson arent good enough for a gm to say im gonna pass on the guy with by far thre highest upside who could be the best big men in the league eventually becasue i have these decent players as big men..

None of those big men you listed aside from a Cousins is in Embiid league as far as potential..

[Bubstubbler]

This has been an epic thread, well worth re-reading. It's been fun watching so many posters change their minds as they've gotten the chance to see for themselves how great of a prospect Embiid really is. He is now widely considered to be the #1 prospect (not just with posters, but with scouts and draft sites like draftexpress and nbadraft), just like I said he would be on page 1 of this thread. And it's just going to keep getting more and more solidified as the season progresses.

He is CLEARLY the #1 prospect and should go #1 regardless of who has that pick. Nobody else is in Embiid's tier, and it would just be dumb management to pick an inferior player due to perceived team needs.

[EddieJonesFan]

So glad DX finally hopped on board the Embiid bandwagon.

[RSCD3_]

A cousins embiid defensive frontcourt could definitely work on defense might not be the best offensively but if there was a twin towers idea it would certaily be better than the trainwreck of monroe drummond.

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[jakenc]

Gosh if my bobcats somehow lucked into the #1 pick and passed on Embiid, I'd go insane

[Brauer]

I like Embiid a lot, but am worried about his foul problems. Anyone wish to comment on that?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I like Embiid a lot, but am worried about his foul problems. Anyone wish to comment on that?

He's a freshman that will improve in time.

[Randle McMurphy]

I like Embiid a lot, but am worried about his foul problems. Anyone wish to comment on that?

He's a freshman that will improve in time.

He already has a lot. Complete non-concern for me.

[MotownMadness]

He should be the #1 pick. I thought people were overrating him until I watched yesterday. He has all the tools to dominate both sides of the ball.

[No-Man]

He should be the #1 pick. I thought people were overrating him until I watched yesterday. He has all the tools to dominate both sides of the ball.

you mean against a team where the tallest player in the starting five is 6'7?

[sikma42]

He should be the #1 pick. I thought people were overrating him until I watched yesterday. He has all the tools to dominate both sides of the ball.

you mean against a team where the tallest player in the starting five is 6'7?

Kid can't win...shakes up dudes on New Mexico and they were stiffs...dominates athletic 6"7 kids with 40 inch verbs and they are too tiny? Please give me Baylors excuse now?

[black bart]

parker isn't dominating against acc. Embiid is the only player in this draft that has the stats and the athleticism. He should go #1 without a doubt. I don't think though there is a superstar in this draft.

[Okada]

I give up too. At first I thought people were overreacting to a handful of good plays and thought he needed to increase his production to be seriously considered. Well, he's done that and looked even more promising in the process. I'm sold on him as #1. Though I think a late-season/tournament boost from someone else is still very much in play (just saying, if Wiggins dropped a few monster games in big tournament games, everyone's going to be drooling over him more than ever).

[Bubstubbler]

One of the big reasons that Embiid has HOF potential is that he has the same caliber of mind as the all-time great centers. It's incredibly rare to find someone who is 7' tall, athletic, and a potential Mensa candidate. Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Walton, Robinson, Hakeem, etc were all extremely intelligent players. Generally speaking, when you look at lists of all-time greats, you're looking at people who were both physically and mentally gifted.

Self said earlier this year something to the effect that Embiid is the most intelligent player he's ever coached, and Embiid's teammate Tarik Black recently used the word 'intelligent' 5 times in 1 quote to describe JoJo (Embiid's friends call him JoJo):

Asked to name his funniest teammate, Black said it’s either Jamari Traylor or Embiid.

“JoJo’s hilarious,” Black said. “He’s very funny. Love him to death. Very intelligent. Very intelligent. I recognized he was intelligent from the first time I met him. Hearing the story of how long he’s been playing ball, how quick he’s picked up on school, seeing with my own two eyes how quick he picks up on things, he has to be very intelligent. A lot of people overlook it, but if you’re around him, you can’t deny it, that guy is very intelligent.”

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2014/feb/22/column-freshmen-duos-ku-stay-short-sweet/?mens_basketball

[The Skyhook]

I can't wait for the tournament to begin. Can't wait to see how he plays then. I think his play in the tournament could play a big role in whether or not he comes back to Kansas next season.

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