Should stuckey start

[MotownMadness]

i can't understand why are y'all thinking datome is trash... if singler is a good rotation player, why not datome? datome has played at one level in europe singler never has played... he was one of the best players of the best teams of the eurobasket (playing at PF because the frontcourt of Italy was weak), mvp of the lega like gallinari did...
i think y'all are from usa... you don't understand that moves to the nba needs adaptation, and he didn't speak english... and have a terrible coach, i wonder if cheeks would come here last year when singler was rookie, he would be playing right now?...

for all the guys who has watched FIBA basketball, Datome>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Singler, but if you only got 5 trash minutes you can't show so much

Lol, Singler is a lot better than Datome. Who cares what Datome was doing over there. Most all those guys never do crap in the NBA. Remember Slava was regarded as one of the best players over there when we got him.

no, is so diferent than slava, slava don't play in a good league (ucrania), and he didn't play very well in his national team, but if you are comparising datome and kravtsov, it says you don't know nothing about europe basketball (no disrespectful, you don't have to)

is gallinari a good player for you? singler? bellinelli? delfino? he's an incredible shooter, he can creates his own shot from the dribble, he's an average defender and can finish to the rim, he isn't in the same line that bynum, jerebko (who before his injury was a good rotation player with hustle and could play d) or similar.


if we were signed obradovic as coach and not the goblin rat-face cheeks, and pretty sure datome would be the starter sf.

I think Datome has looked like crap. Granted it's been very limited time but I honestly can't see him being better than Singler from what I've seen so far.

[Jackattaq]

Well, hmmm.....If Stuckey is the starter, I would have to think that from the get go our defense in the backcourt improves by 1000%. Jennings is a "cheap" defender. In that I mean: he gets some gaudy steals numbers, he gambles for deflections and he does have quick hands, but when you watch him defensively, he SUCKS. He may be the worst defensive starting PG in the entire NBA. Jennings is worse than Jose Calderon as a defender. My biggest gripe with Jenning's defense is that he can't stay in between his man and the basket. Every guard turns the corner on him and he gets beat at will and that in turn causes our bigs to come over and cover for him. That in turn causes them to leave their man and give up layups in a dump-off pass or an offensive stick back. This affects the entire team defense. We look much worse than we should with our interior players. Our bigs are CONSTANTLY covering for BJ's inability to play defense. If he were overweight or slow, I would buy that he can't physically move well enough to play good Defense. The problem is, Jennings is quick. He really has NO EXCUSE other than laziness to NOT play defense. He had good footspeed. He's only 160 lbs, he's not too slow to move laterally. He just doesn't do it and it's totally out of pure laziness. He's literally a guy I would consider moving to the bench until he can "earn" his way defensively back into the starting lineup. Drummond has gotten into Foul Trouble a couple times early because he's had to come over and he's gotten cheap fouls. BJ has hurt our team defense immensely. If we put Stuckey in the starting lineup I'm not sure that we lose too much. He's a good defender, and a good scorer, but can he be a good starting PG? History is against him, but we never had talent like this either.

[MotownMadness]

Well, hmmm.....If Stuckey is the starter, I would have to think that from the get go our defense in the backcourt improves by 1000%. Jennings is a "cheap" defender. In that I mean: he gets some gaudy steals numbers, he gambles for deflections and he does have quick hands, but when you watch him defensively, he SUCKS. He may be the worst defensive starting PG in the entire NBA. Jennings is worse than Jose Calderon as a defender. My biggest gripe with Jenning's defense is that he can't stay in between his man and the basket. Every guard turns the corner on him and he gets beat at will and that in turn causes our bigs to come over and cover for him. That in turn causes them to leave their man and give up layups in a dump-off pass or an offensive stick back. This affects the entire team defense. We look much worse than we should with our interior players. Our bigs are CONSTANTLY covering for BJ's inability to play defense. If he were overweight or slow, I would buy that he can't physically move well enough to play good Defense. The problem is, Jennings is quick. He really has NO EXCUSE other than laziness to NOT play defense. He had good footspeed. He's only 160 lbs, he's not too slow to move laterally. He just doesn't do it and it's totally out of pure laziness. He's literally a guy I would consider moving to the bench until he can "earn" his way defensively back into the starting lineup. Drummond has gotten into Foul Trouble a couple times early because he's had to come over and he's gotten cheap fouls. BJ has hurt our team defense immensely. If we put Stuckey in the starting lineup I'm not sure that we lose too much. He's a good defender, and a good scorer, but can he be a good starting PG? History is against him, but we never had talent like this either.

He honestly might be a worse defender then Calderon. It's literally everytime his guy just goes around him and he doesn't even try. He is the main problem with this team even more so than Smith.

[Jackattaq]

Well, hmmm.....If Stuckey is the starter, I would have to think that from the get go our defense in the backcourt improves by 1000%. Jennings is a "cheap" defender. In that I mean: he gets some gaudy steals numbers, he gambles for deflections and he does have quick hands, but when you watch him defensively, he SUCKS. He may be the worst defensive starting PG in the entire NBA. Jennings is worse than Jose Calderon as a defender. My biggest gripe with Jenning's defense is that he can't stay in between his man and the basket. Every guard turns the corner on him and he gets beat at will and that in turn causes our bigs to come over and cover for him. That in turn causes them to leave their man and give up layups in a dump-off pass or an offensive stick back. This affects the entire team defense. We look much worse than we should with our interior players. Our bigs are CONSTANTLY covering for BJ's inability to play defense. If he were overweight or slow, I would buy that he can't physically move well enough to play good Defense. The problem is, Jennings is quick. He really has NO EXCUSE other than laziness to NOT play defense. He had good footspeed. He's only 160 lbs, he's not too slow to move laterally. He just doesn't do it and it's totally out of pure laziness. He's literally a guy I would consider moving to the bench until he can "earn" his way defensively back into the starting lineup. Drummond has gotten into Foul Trouble a couple times early because he's had to come over and he's gotten cheap fouls. BJ has hurt our team defense immensely. If we put Stuckey in the starting lineup I'm not sure that we lose too much. He's a good defender, and a good scorer, but can he be a good starting PG? History is against him, but we never had talent like this either.

He honestly might be a worse defender then Calderon. It's literally everytime his guy just goes around him and he doesn't even try. He is the main problem with this team even more so than Smith.

I say that with 100% sincerity, I believe Jennings is a worse defender than Calderon. I think this because Calderon may not be as quick or fast as Jennings, but he puts forth SOME EFFORT to attempt to play defense. IMO, Jennings clearly has the potential to be a much better defender but he clearly doesn't care to try. Anyone who has ever played basketball has played with "that guy" on the court. It's the guy that runs so hard on the offensive end, but then he lazily jogs back defensively, lags behind waiting for a steal and a cherry-picking layup. Doesn't move their feet as you have to come over to guard his man as he gets beat off the dribble and your man scores on you and you are annoyed as hel1 by it. It's ridiculous seeing it over and over. Jennings needs to be reigned in and accept that in order to get time, you NEED to play defense. He's a turnstyle out there and it's costing this team every game.

[DBC10]

I remember when people defended Jennings on the defensive end. Both eye test and multiple categories on synergy back the notion he's below average. He's really horrid and the reason why he's taken out of games sometimes which Cheeks has done for Bynum which I thought was funny since he's terrible too. It's the big reason why Burke had a good game in the 2nd half against us. The only reason.

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[Jackattaq]

I remember when people defended Jennings on the defensive end. Both eye test and multiple categories on synergy back the notion he's below average. He's really horrid and the reason why he's taken out of games sometimes which Cheeks has done for Bynum which I thought was funny since he's terrible too. It's the big reason why Burke had a good game in the 2nd half against us. The only reason.

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Don't get me started on BYNUM, I can't stand that fool. He's a total detriment to the team.

[Q00]

It doesn't matter to me at all if Stuckey has finally found his niche off the bench because he has no future here. So if we are paying for his services the rest of the year, we need to use him to the fullest in whatever role is best for the team, not best for his own interests, and we could definitely use him in the starting lineup on both ends.

I'm not fooled by his great play and I don't think it has anything to do with him coming off the bench. He's suddenly playing great because its a contract year and he wants to get paid. Plain and simple. He did the same thing 3 years ago, then tanked the last two years once getting his money. So Im confident he will perform the same as a starter. He won't score as much with more options around him, but just having that extra threat/option would make a big difference. Also, he would make Jennings better by taking pressure off him in multiple ways.

He can share ball handling duties, he can guard Jennings man on defense, and can draw more defenders away from him off the ball on offense creating more room to operate.

It makes too much sense to me. We have a problem on the perimeter on both ends. Our 3 best perimeter athletes should be starting and that is Jennings/Stuckey/KCP. And when we also have problems up front athletically, it just makes sense on all fronts to replace Monroe with Stuckey in the starting lineup.

[Jackattaq]

It doesn't matter to me at all if Stuckey has finally found his niche off the bench because he has no future here. So if we are paying for his services the rest of the year, we need to use him to the fullest in whatever role is best for the team, not best for his own interests, and we could definitely use him in the starting lineup on both ends.

I'm not fooled by his great play and I don't think it has anything to do with him coming off the bench. He's suddenly playing great because its a contract year and he wants to get paid. Plain and simple. He did the same thing 3 years ago, then tanked the last two years once getting his money. So Im confident he will perform the same as a starter. He won't score as much with more options around him, but just having that extra threat/option would make a big difference. Also, he would make Jennings better by taking pressure off him in multiple ways.

He can share ball handling duties, he can guard Jennings man on defense, and can draw more defenders away from him off the ball on offense creating more room to operate.

It makes too much sense to me. We have a problem on the perimeter on both ends. Our 3 best perimeter athletes should be starting and that is Jennings/Stuckey/KCP. And when we also have problems up front athletically, it just makes sense on all fronts to replace Monroe with Stuckey in the starting lineup.

Well, we know that's not happening. So I'd advocate replacing Jennings with Stuckey and using Jennings in an off the bench role, a la Ben Gordon when he played for the Bulls. With a backcourt of Stuckey 6'5" at PG and KCP 6'5" at SG AND our jumbo lineup inside, our defense immediately improves. We have the worst defender in the league at PG and it's caused the team defense to suffer. Stuckey being able to play marginal if not even physical defense at times will allow the Pistons to take pressure off the bigs having to defend the pick and roll all the time. Jennings gives up on EVERY pick and roll. He's a terrible defender.

We know that Cheeks is a moron, he won't rock the boat with the starting lineup and he's not gonna change. So it's all fantasy, but our starting lineup is broken defensively where our PG can't defend his own shadow (purely because he's lazy and doesn't care, not because he lacks the ability). With a Stuckey/KCP backcourt and them being interchangeable size wise, KCP getting switched off to a PG from time to time wouldn't adversely affect this team as much as the sieve that currently resides in the starting lineup. IMO Jennings needs to be "punished" for his lack of commitment to defense and since it hasn't happened, this team has struggled. Jennings doesn't even try.

[wire28]

i can see why you'd want to start him but he's the only one that can score for us off the bench. take him off and bynum will literally be taking every shot with singler hustling for his turnovers and bricks.

stuck is fine as 6th man. as has already been said we'd be better served by putting kyle at starting sf. that just creates the problem of who to bench. the 54 million dollar man no team will trade for or the young big man who will be looking for big bucks next year and probably isnt looking to spend his prime as a guy coming off the bench

i believe (or maybe im just hoping) that Cheeks realizes that the big 3 has proven unfeasible and its just upstairs politics forcing him to continue playing all 3 together

[DetroitDon15]

I want to see Singler start.

[OneBadMutha]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jennings and Stuckey swap roles. I said I wouldn't start Stuckey but that's because of the assumption that it would be at KCPs expense. Long term I believe Jennings is best served to be a 6th man. He can ball dominate all he wants there and hopefully his defense will be less exposed against other teams bench players.

For all the general consensus that Stuckey should never play PG again, his last year as starter the offense was middle of the pack in efficiency and that's after starting the season with Maxiell and Ben Wallace in the starting lineup. He won't get as many assists as Jennings but more people will touch the ball and plays much better defense.

It would mitigate some of Monroe's inability to help PGs on pick and rolls.

I think Detroit's best perimeter lineup would be Stuckey, KCP, and Singler. If KCP is hitting anything, there's nice balance to that combo offensively and the guards are good defensively. When Smith and Drummond are teamed up with that perimeter, the Pistons can defend and run.