2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1021 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:13 pm

It depends on the package. If it was a pretty much rondo for Bledsoe it's a tough call IMO. Rondo is the proven commodity and is one I the smartest players in the league. Some of it might depend how much they like Bledsoe behind the scenes and how comfortable they are giving him a long term deal. If they aren't comfortable paying him then you for sure do a deal like this. It would be pretty crazy if McD could turn Dudley into rondo in a 6 month period... That's some good asset management.

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GetYourPHX · Post #1022 » by **GetYourPHX** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:07 pm

On the Rondo rumors - it just doesn't seem realistic to bring him here. One of the reasons that Dragic/Bledsoe actually works is that both of them can play off the ball. Rondo hasn't really been asked to do that in his career, and I'm not sure he has the skill set to exist in an offense where he's asked to do so.

Still, if McD is dead set on bringing him here, it seems like the prudent thing to do would be to move both Dragic and Bledsoe to make way for him. That's just a little to much to do during the season, so if anything was going to happen, I'd guess the offseason would be the time for it.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1023 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:18 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:On the Rondo rumors - it just doesn't see realistic to bring him here. One of the reasons that Dragic/Bledsoe actually works is that both of them can play off the ball. Rondo hasn't really been asked to do that in his career, and I'm not sure he has the skill set to exist in an offense where he's asked to do so.

Still, if McD is dead set on bringing him here, it seems like the prudent thing to do would be to move both Dragic and Bledsoe to make way for him. That's just a little to much to do during the season, so if anything was going to happen, I'd guess the offseason would be the time for it.

I actually think dragic plays well enough offensively at the 2 where he and rondo could coexist. And with how good rondo is defensively he could always guard the other teams best guard.

As I was saying earlier to me it comes down to the price it would take to get rondo and if your more comfortable giving rondo a huge deal after next season or Bledsoe a huge deal this summer.

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NapoleonII · Post #1024 » by **NapoleonII** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:34 pm

Dragic CAN play the 2, but part of the effectiveness of Dragic/Bledsoe is that they're both attacking, scoring guards. When they're both on the floor, 1 man fastbreaks can start with 40% of the lineup. Both sides of the floor are vulnerable to their slashing and pick and rolls.

Plus, there's the whole 'Rondo can't shoot'. I don't think he'd fit with our spacing.

carey · Post #1025 » by **carey** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:36 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I actually think dragic plays well enough offensively at the 2 where he and rondo could coexist. And with how good rondo is defensively he could always guard the other teams best guard.

As I was saying earlier to me it comes down to the price it would take to get rondo and if your more comfortable giving rondo a huge deal after next season or Bledsoe a huge deal this summer.

Bledsoe. He's younger and injury history is a bit less of a concern. Rondo is 27, just coming off an ACL tear and, ya know, can't shoot anywhere other than the elbow or the rim. I don't think 27 is too old but it's all about where we are as a team and who we invest in going forward. I'm not totally convinced Rondo will be the same player without three HoF guys around him either. Just my 2 c.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1026 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:47 pm

carey wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I actually think dragic plays well enough offensively at the 2 where he and rondo could coexist. And with how good rondo is defensively he could always guard the other teams best guard.

As I was saying earlier to me it comes down to the price it would take to get rondo and if your more comfortable giving rondo a huge deal after next season or Bledsoe a huge deal this summer.

Bledsoe. He's younger and injury history is a bit less of a concern. Rondo is 27, just coming off an ACL tear and, ya know, can't shoot anywhere other than the elbow or the rim. I don't think 27 is too old but it's all about where we are as a team and who we invest in going forward. I'm not totally convinced Rondo will be the same player without three HoF guys around him either. Just my 2 c.

There's a good chance McD shares this opinion. They've said all the right things about resigning Bledsoe and I think it's the route they ultimately go. All I'm saying is IF they aren't comfortable paying what it's gonna take to keep Bledsoe (and it will be a lot) them you 100% trade him now if you can land a rondo type guy coming back. The suns aren't in a position to lose an asset like Bledsoe for nothing.

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JDLAW · Post #1027 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:59 pm

Why are you even discussing Rondo to the Suns? This so called rumor comes from Mitchell Lawrence who knows nothing and has never known anything about the Suns' various interests. His breadth of knowledge stops at the East River and the Lincoln Tunnel.

The Suns have no interest whatsoever in Rondo. He is coming off a major knee injury and will not be effective until late this season and then he is under contract for only one additional year, at which point they'll have to pay substantially for his services. This would be on top of what the Suns would have to give up for him. Finally, the Suns would have to jettison either Bledsoe or Dragic. There is no logic in this trade and I seriously doubt the Suns have any interest in Rondo.

grumpysaddle · Post #1028 » by **grumpysaddle** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:23 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Would you guys do a deal where L.A. trades its 2014 to Pheonix protected 1-10 for L.A.'s 2015 plus a late 1st this year?

Lol. Whuuuuuut?

So you want Phoenix to give up a top 5 protected pick next year, for a pick with protection that LA will almost assuredly fall into this year, and then add another pick onto it for LA????

So Phoenix not only loses next year's almost sure high pick, and a late pick in a deep draft this year, for a pick that will end up being used next year anyway, or even later? McDonough hangs up the phone then calls every other GM in the league to laugh at LAL's cute attempt.

carey · Post #1029 » by **carey** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:39 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote: There's a good chance McD shares this opinion. They've said all the right things about resigning Bledsoe and I think it's the route they ultimately go. All I'm saying is IF they aren't comfortable paying what it's gonna take to keep Bledsoe (and it will be a lot) them you 100% trade him now if you can land a rondo type guy coming back. The suns aren't in a position to lose an asset like Bledsoe for nothing.

I forgot to add that after giving the Celtics a discount on his last contract Rondo is going to be looking to cash in on his next one.

Do you want to be the team that has to give him a max contract after next season? It's his 3rd contract too, so we're looking at the big bucks.

Post #1030 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:58 pm

I agree with JDLAW and Rondo coming here makes no sense whatsoever.

And for those talking about paying him big money, etc (as opposed to paying Bledsoe), you must also remember that he will be on his THIRD contract with a much higher potential salary AND he will become an unrestricted free agent. We would have zero leverage on even keeping Rondo if we did get him.

Edit: For some reason I didn't see the last two posts when posting this, and thought JDLAW's was the last one, so I see carey addressed what I mentioned in the second paragraph.

INFORMER-93 · Post #1031 » by **INFORMER-93** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:50 pm

Rondo may want to get paid, but I think he'll have a hard time finding a team willing to do it. The only organization I can see being willing is Sacramento. But they have resign Isaiah Thomas this offseason, so even they may not be a legitimate candidate to give him a huge deal.

Post #1032 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:30 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:Rondo may want to get paid, but I think he'll have a hard time finding a team willing to do it. The only organization I can see being willing is Sacramento. But they have resign Isaiah Thomas this offseason, so even they may not be a legitimate candidate to give him a huge deal.

I could see Sacramento trying to sign him. They've been looking for more of a pass first pg even though Isaiah Thomas is playing extremely well. If they don't keep Rudy Gay, his contract expires next offseason the same time Rondo's does, so they should have the cap space.

As for trading for him, I don't know what they have that Boston would want, but I'm guessing some first round picks, and possibly Isaiah Thomas. They'd also have to throw in Jason Thompson or Carl Landry for salaries to match.

I'm sure Cousins would like a pass first pg like Rondo. If I was Sac, I definitely wouldn't give up too much for him though. I'd protect this year's pick through at least the top 6 or 7, and probably not give up more than one pick, especially if I was giving up Thomas.

Ryu · Post #1033 » by **Ryu** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:33 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:Rondo may want to get paid, but I think he'll have a hard time finding a team willing to do it. The only organization I can see being willing is Sacramento. But they have resign Isaiah Thomas this offseason, so even they may not be a legitimate candidate to give him a huge deal.

I can see Knicks throwing big bucks at Rondo (if they resign Melo this summer), after Amare, Chandler and Bargnani contracts expire in 2015.

thamadkant · Post #1034 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:49 pm

Sanders available a per wiretap... For draft picks.

I know he is overpaid... So If Suns was to trade for him I would want them to take on a chunky salary from Suns too.
Len/Sanders/Plumlee would be SET front court... Just need 3pt shooting at the SF or PF spot..

But in the end I don't think suns will pursue him...

grumpysaddle · Post #1035 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:42 am

1UPZ wrote:Sanders available a per wiretap... For draft picks.

I know he is overpaid... So If Suns was to trade for him I would want them to take on a chunky salary from Suns too.
Len/Sanders/Plumlee would be SET front court... Just need 3pt shooting at the SF or PF spot..

But in the end I don't think suns will pursue him...

The Suns don't have a "chunky" salary to give up, besides Okafor's expiring, which I'd rather not use to pick up a player like Sanders, since they are trying to get rid of him. The only other players with "big" salaries are Dragic and Frye, and I like both of them being on the Suns.

LukasBMW · Post #1036 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:12 am

I have no interest in Rondo.

1. Rumors of attitude problems
2. ACL injuries still KILL careers. We don't know if he will shake it off
3. Bledsoe has more offensive potential

Revived · Post #1037 » by **Revived** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:26 am

bwgood77 wrote:I'm sure Cousins would like a pass first pg like Rondo. If I was Sac, I definitely wouldn't give up too much for him though. I'd protect this year's pick through at least the top 6 or 7, and probably not give up more than one pick, especially if I was giving up Thomas.

Haha a Cousins and Rondo locker room would be a joy to be in

Marz11 · Post #1038 » by **Marz11** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:51 am

Bill Simmons tweeted and then deleted the following trade about an hour ago:

Suns get: Young, Turner and Anderson

Sixers get: Len, Okafor and 1st round pick.

DirtyDez · Post #1039 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:56 am

Marz11 wrote:Bill Simmons tweeted and then deleted the following trade about an hour ago:

Suns get: Young, Turner and Anderson

Sixers get: Len, Okafor and 1st round pick.

We'd have like 47 combo-forwards on the team. :lol:

TOO · Post #1040 » by **TOO** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:06 am

I have no interest in trading Len. None.