Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[R-DAWG]

Packaging Tyson, cokehead and Felton in a trade would allow us to absorb $29,228,263 in salary, giving the other team a maximum salary relief of $5,059,599. You can go around and find something that works but forget about Rondo because that's not happening.

I still think trading that package for Gasol and Nash makes sense for both teams becaue it solidifies Lakers' tank position and saves them $4,417,686 on their salary cap in a season they're not making the playoffs. They'd still be $3,007,759 over the luxury tax threshold, but the ownership goes from paying $11,744,529 in luxury taxes to $4,511,639. A total saving of $7,232,890 in a losing season is important.

The only problem is that the Lakers would add $15,538,009 to their cap for next season, which would leave them with around 19M of cap space. I don't know what their plans for next year are, but this would probably be their lineup:

Marshall / Felton
Kobe / Young
cokehead / SF
PF / PF
Chandler / Sacre

That is still a lot of holes left to fill if they want to make the playoffs in the west.

This kind of make sense, but the Lakers balk at JR - they already have Nick Young for MUCH less. Felton and Chandler have both had success in Mike D'Antoni's system and his contract keeps them in play for Kevin Love. Gasol would give the Knicks a post scorer and capable 2nd option. Nash provides vet leadership and maybe can help in a limited role. But his contract is a year shorter than Felton's. I think the Lakers would need to throw in a future 1st to get the deal done.

JR needs to be involved for financial reasons, but would need to be sent to a team that is willing to take a chance on him for an expiring contract. San Antonio, Washington and OKC have the ability to make it happen.

I think I would still prefer a package of Lopez, McCollum, Leonard and a future first from POR. But your proposal is very very interesting.

Problem is the Knicks are still 1 or 2 moves away from becoming a contender and they lack the ability to get it AND pay Gasol. And at his age he will want to sign a multi year deal which will kill 2015 cap space. I'd like assets that can be used 2015 to help that core win. This team is not salvageable.

[Rasho Brezec]

Who cares about Gasol once his contract expires as long as he helps this year when we don't have the pick.

[R-DAWG]

Who cares about Gasol once his contract expires as long as he helps this year when we don't have the pick.

but how much more does he help us this year than Tyson? We need to stop thinking about protecting the pick we give to Denver and do what's best for the next era of Knicks basketball. And what's best would be turning assets like Tyson Chandler in multiple young assets and/or draft picks.

[Rasho Brezec]

He helps just by getting us rid of cokehead and Felton. Anything else is gravy. He's still averaging a double-double with 3.3 apg.

[iLovethosedamnknicks]

i would do this now, why wait til summer, but would need jimmy butler

After the season.

S&T Melo

for

Boozer's expiring
Mike Dunleavy JR
Chicagos 2014 1st rounder (probably top 10)
Charlottes 2014 1st rounder (top 10 protected in '14, top 8 in '15, unprotected in '16)
Rights to Nicola Mirotic (Europe's best player)
Slew of second rounders

It's time for you guys to rebuild and be done with Melo.

[Marty McFly]

i would do this now, why wait til summer, but would need jimmy butler

After the season.

S&T Melo

for

Boozer's expiring
Mike Dunleavy JR
Chicagos 2014 1st rounder (probably top 10)
Charlottes 2014 1st rounder (top 10 protected in '14, top 8 in '15, unprotected in '16)
Rights to Nicola Mirotic (Europe's best player)
Slew of second rounders

It's time for you guys to rebuild and be done with Melo.

melo going there now probably make chi's 2014 1st a worst pick. I'd do it in the off season for sure.

[seren]

Gotta look at future at this point. I would try to get some decent assets for Chandler and Shump. I wouldn't be opposed to moving Melo for a decent package, but I doubt that we could get value for him.

[Thugger HBC]

i would do this now, why wait til summer, but would need jimmy butler

After the season.

S&T Melo

for

Boozer's expiring
Mike Dunleavy JR
Chicagos 2014 1st rounder (probably top 10)
Charlottes 2014 1st rounder (top 10 protected in '14, top 8 in '15, unprotected in '16)
Rights to Nicola Mirotic (Europe's best player)
Slew of second rounders

It's time for you guys to rebuild and be done with Melo.

melo going there now probably make chi's 2014 1st a worst pick. I'd do it in the off season for sure.

Unless I'm incorrect on this, but I dont think you can't Sign and trade players on the back end of a season must be start of the new season before the first game is played.

But in either scenario how do you get a 1st rounder in 2014, when the draft will be done by then?

[aq_ua]

Simple and boring:

Beno Udrih to the Spurs for Malcolm Thomas and a 2nd round pick.
We get a young forward that we should have looked at in the first place, and a pick for our trouble.
Spurs get a veteran back up point guard for cheap who won't be a long-term cap burden.

[Marty McFly]

Unless I'm incorrect on this, but I dont think you can't Sign and trade players on the back end of a season must be start of the new season before the first game is played.

But in either scenario how do you get a 1st rounder in 2014, when the draft will be done by then?

you know what, you're right. i don't know what i was thinking. i suppose the initial trade would be best then. not ideal for me, but it's better then nothing. if i had a choice i'd keep dunleavy and boozer and move the other assets in pnjguy's trade (Chicago's 2014 1st rounder, Charlottes 2014 1st rounder, Rights to Nicola Mirotic, Slew of second rounders)to the nuggets for the rights to our picks back.

[Buggin Out]

Unless I'm incorrect on this, but I dont think you can't Sign and trade players on the back end of a season must be start of the new season before the first game is played.

But in either scenario how do you get a 1st rounder in 2014, when the draft will be done by then?

you know what, you're right. i don't know what i was thinking. i suppose the initial trade would be best then. not ideal for me, but it's better then nothing. if i had a choice i'd keep dunleavy and boozer and move the other assets in pnjguy's trade (Chicago's 2014 1st rounder, Charlottes 2014 1st rounder, Rights to Nicola Mirotic, Slew of second rounders)to the nuggets for the rights to our picks back.

That's a lot of assets for your own pick back.

Nicola Mirotic could end up being better than half the players in the top 5 of this draft.

[Jay10]

there is nothing funnier than a rumor about a player being linked to the knicks, and from the moment on every discussion being about finding a way to acquire said player.

[Marty McFly]

Unless I'm incorrect on this, but I dont think you can't Sign and trade players on the back end of a season must be start of the new season before the first game is played.

But in either scenario how do you get a 1st rounder in 2014, when the draft will be done by then?

you know what, you're right. i don't know what i was thinking. i suppose the initial trade would be best then. not ideal for me, but it's better then nothing. if i had a choice i'd keep dunleavy and boozer and move the other assets in pnjguy's trade (Chicago's 2014 1st rounder, Charlottes 2014 1st rounder, Rights to Nicola Mirotic, Slew of second rounders)to the nuggets for the rights to our picks back.

That's a lot of assets for your own pick back.

Nicola Mirotic could end up being better than half the players in the top 5 of this draft.

it's not a lock of a trade. it's a ball parking of what you could use in a trade. I'm not sure that the bulls pick will be high enough to get you into the the lottery, and who knows with charlotte will look like when their pick loses protection. the nuggets might value mirotic more then those picks. they also have the option to swap in 2016, with the lesser of the pick getting sent to t.o. from bargs, so it isn't just the one pick.

[Knicksfan1992]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

[Jay10]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

how many shooting guards can one team have?

[riter]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

Melo would never sign in Sacramento.
But the Knicks may be desperate enough to do Amare for EJ/Reke or Bargs/JR/Felton for EJ Reke

Tyson
Melo
Reke/Shump
EJ/Shump/THJ
Prigs/Murry
If that team translates onto the court and stays healthy we can make it to ECF and still have Tyson/Shump/THJ to trade.
But most likely a significant number of board members would go TKF.

[Marty McFly]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

for melo? nope. davis and jrue would make melo's day though.

[Jay10]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

Melo would never sign in Sacramento.
But the Knicks may be desperate enough to do Amare for EJ/Reke or Bargs/JR/Felton for EJ Reke

Tyson
Melo
Reke/Shump
EJ/Shump/THJ
Prigs/Murry
If that team translates onto the court and stays healthy we can make it to ECF and still have Tyson/Shump/THJ to trade.
But most likely a significant number of board members would go TKF.

TKF is somewhere grieving over the news of Gallo not playing this season.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

I read this trade as Melo to New Orleans for a shooting guard who hasn't been the same player he was a few years ago / is injury prone + a combo guard / small forward who does all his damage in the paint because his outside jumper is one of the most inconsistent in the league. Oh yeah...and bother players have big salaries. Knicks say no because it's simply a bad trade.

[Brooklyn_Yards]

Who says no to Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans (maybe a 2ND) for Melo. A core 3 of Jrue, Melo and Anthony David for the next 5 years can be real successful. And with the right role players could be a real contender. Knicks get some younger players back and a chance to trade and stockpile assets for the future.

Melo would never sign in Sacramento.
But the Knicks may be desperate enough to do Amare for EJ/Reke or Bargs/JR/Felton for EJ Reke

Tyson
Melo
Reke/Shump
EJ/Shump/THJ
Prigs/Murry
If that team translates onto the court and stays healthy we can make it to ECF and still have Tyson/Shump/THJ to trade.
But most likely a significant number of board members would go TKF.

Do you mean New Orleans?