PC Board All-Time Fantasy League Project - Discussion Thread

[MisterHibachi]

I've updated the OP in the draft thread with the years that guys have declared so far. For those who have declared, can you check your team years in that thread in case I made a mistake. Let me know if I made a mistake with the years.

These guys still have to declare years:

Narigo
Notanoob
Sagittaron
RSCD3_
ThunderDan9 (for some players)
DHodgkins (I know you did a write up a few pages back, but you forgot to write the years)
Bruh Man
O_6
HeartBreakKid
whitehops

If you already posted the years and I just missed the post, that's my fault. Just let me know.

[MisterHibachi]

why don't we do the conferences like all the teams that drafted with odd numbers 1,3,5,etc. are in a conference and all the teams that drafted with even picks are in the other?

That's another way to do it. I'm not gonna argue that my system is better than yours, it really doesn't matter which we pick, because there's gonna be a randomizing done after that whatsoever.

It's basically up to Hibachi to choose one.

I'm fine with either as well. I think I'm leaning towards Quotatious' idea more tho, not for any particular reason other than its a cool way to tie together franchise cornerstone history with our playoffs. If more people prefer the odd/even pick conference, I'm good with that too.

[Quotatious]

I'm fine with either as well. I think I'm leaning towards Quotatious' idea more tho, not for any particular reason other than its a cool way to tie together franchise cornerstone history with our playoffs. If more people prefer the odd/even pick conference, I'm good with that too.

This system is slightly flawed in two cases though. First, batmana will take the Lakers Shaq, so he should be in the West, and Bruh Man will most likely go with a T-Wolves version of KG, so he should also be in the West, but both Shaq and KG played large chunk of their careers in the East, so I had to find a way to make it even - 8 guys per group. If I wanted to be totally correct in terms of my approach, there'd be 10 guys in the West, and only 6 in the East, which could not work here.

My guys' years are correct, for sure. You can already count those.

[MisterHibachi]

I'm fine with either as well. I think I'm leaning towards Quotatious' idea more tho, not for any particular reason other than its a cool way to tie together franchise cornerstone history with our playoffs. If more people prefer the odd/even pick conference, I'm good with that too.

This system is slightly flawed in two cases though. First, batmana will take the Lakers Shaq, so he should be in the West, and Bruh Man will most likely go with a T-Wolves version of KG, so he should also be in the West, but both Shaq and KG played large chunk of their careers in the East, so I had to find a way to make it even - 8 guys per group. If I wanted to be totally correct in terms of my approach, there'd be 10 guys in the West, and only 6 in the East, which could not work here.

My guys' years are correct, for sure. You can already count those.

Ah I see. You're right. Bruh Man with KG and whitehops with Chuck (I'm guessing he's gonna choose Suns Barkley) would be in the west. Unless they are fine with being in the east, we can go to odd/even conferences.

Edit: odd/even conferences would be like this:

East (odd):
Narigo
Sagittaron
RSCD3_
CaliBullsFan
Quotatious
Bruh Man
O_6
whitehops

West (even):
Notanoob
batmana
ThunderDan9
john248
DHodgkins
MisterHibachi
HeartBreakKid

I'm still gonna randomize the playoff seeds, so these aren't the seeds.

[ThunderDan9]

4.The super skilled and super underrated offensive savant = Danny Manning

I completely and utterly forgot this guy. He is falling out of NBA consciousness.

[Quotatious]

whitehops with Chuck (I'm guessing he's gonna choose Suns Barkley) would be in the west.

Oh, good observation about Chuck. For some reason, my mind just assumed that he'd go with the Sixers version of Barkley, which was a bit better statistically, but you may be right. Personally, I'd probably go with 91-93 Barkley, so two Philly season and one in Phoenix. 1992-93 season is nice be added because of his playoff run and finals appearance.

[ThunderDan9]

I really didn't think Micheal Ray Richardson would go undrafted. I seriously considered taking him in the 8th round as a backup PG. I know, coke hindered his career, but still...

[CaliBullsFan]

I really didn't think Micheal Ray Richardson would go undrafted. I seriously considered taking him in the 8th round as a backup PG. I know, coke hindered his career, but still...

He would of been a perfect fit as a starting SG/backup PG on the run & gun teams

[ThunderDan9]

OK, the seasons:

PC Board All Time Fantasy Draft:

starting 5
PG Mark Price (92-94)
SG Manu Ginobili (05-07)
SF Larry Bird (84-86)
PF Horace Grant (93-95)
C Dwight Howard (09-11)

bench
Bernard King (82-84) Vlade Divac (95-97) Derek Harper (88-90) Dan Majerle (91-93) Josh Smith (10-12)

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Some of these were obvious, like King or Price, or Howard.

Bird was either 84-86 or 85-87. The difference is minor, because 85 and 86 are common years, so there's only a 1/3 variance. I voted for some youthful energy and physicality instead of better shooting. Again, the difference is very, very small.
For Grant, i included 95 because he played with Shaq - and did that very successfully.
Gino was the most interesting case, he was HUGE in the 2005 playoffs, so I opted for that... although he was also HUGE in 2008. Again, minor difference.

And then there are guys like Vlade. He did what he did for more than a decade. His stats are almost identical thoughout the years. It was either his Kings years (09-11), or his younger version of 05-07. it doesn't really matter.

[ThunderDan9]

Mister Hibachi, please correct DAN MAJERLE's name in the draft topik. Thanks.

[john248]

General list I went off of. The order isn't too accurate as I didn't go through each and do a major comparison since that'd take too much time. But it helped me out a bit so I didn't have to go searching for players as well I didn't care too much to do that.

PG
1. Magic Johnson
2. Chris Paul
3. Steve Nash
4. Gary Payton
5. Kevin Johnson
6. Jason Kidd
7. Penny Hardaway
8. John Stockton
9. Chauncey Billups
10. Terry Porter
11. Mark Price
12. Deron Williams
13. Derrick Rose
14. Tony Parker
15. Russell Westbrook
16. Tim Hardaway
17. Derek Harper
18. Fat Lever
19. Sam Cassell
20. Mike Bibby
21. Mookie Blaylock
22. Gus Williams
23. Danny Ainge
24. Rajon Rondo
25. Nate Archibald
questionable: Isiah Thomas

SG
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Tracy McGrady (SF)
5. Ray Allen
6. Reggie Miller
7. Manu Ginobili - minutes
8. Clyde Drexler (SF)
9. James Harden
10. George Gervin
11. Mitch Richmond
12. Dale Ellis
13. Sidney Moncrief
14. Vince Carter (SF)
15. Brandon Roy
16. Joe Dumars
17. Eddie Jones
18. Jeff Hornacek
19. Dennis Johnson
20. Joe Johnson
21. Michael Redd
22. Michael Cooper
23. Dan Majerle
24. Dell Curry
25. Kevin Martin
26. Rolando Blackman
27. Jalen Rose
28. Klay Thompson
questionable: Allen Iverson, Alvin Robertson

SF
1. Lebron James (PF)
2. Larry Bird (PF)
3. Kevin Durant (PF)
4. Julius Erving
5. Scottie Pippen
6. Paul Pierce
7. Grant Hill
8. Chris Mullin
9. Shawn Marion (PF)
10. Andre Iguodala (SG)
11. Glen Rice
12. Marques Johnson (SG)
13. Carmelo Anthony
14. Peja Stojakovic
15. Paul George
16. Andrei Kirilenko (PF)
17. Danny Granger
18. Nicolas Batum
19. Alex English
20. James Worthy
21. Detlef Schrempf
22. Gerald Wallace
questionable: Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre

PF
1. Tim Duncan
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Charles Barkley
5. Karl Malone
6. Kevin McHale
7. Pau Gasol (C)
8. Rasheed Wallace
9. Larry Nance
10. Chris Bosh
11. Elton Brand
12. Shawn Kemp
13. Dennis Rodman
14. Bobby Jones (SF)
15. Elvin Hayes (C)
16. Blake Griffin
17. Buck Williams
18. Lamar Odom
19. Horace Grant
20. Terry Cummings
21. LaMarcus Aldridge
22. Antawn Jamison
23. Toni Kukoc
24. Anthony Mason
questionable: Chris Webber, Antoine Walker

C
1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. David Robinson
5. Patrick Ewing
6. Alonzo Mourning
7. Dwight Howard
8. Robert Parish
9. Artis Gilmore
10. Dikembe Mutombo
11. Jack Sikma (PF)
12. Tyson Chandler
13. Yao Ming
14. Ben Wallace
15. Roy Hibbert
16. Arvydas Sabonis
17. Marc Gasol
18. Brad Daugherty
19. Jermaine O'Neal
20. Brook Lopez
21. Joahkim Noah
22. Marcus Camby
23. Mark Eaton
24. Vlade Divac
questionable: Bill Laimbeer

[john248]

I'll volunteer my team to go to the East with TMac! Screw the west...I don't want to be there. Let them beat each other up. haha

Put everything in a randomizer. Top 8 in 1 conference, bottom 8 in another. Then randomize again for match-ups in their respective conference. None of this West vs East nonsense. Given that all of these teams have star players, random match-ups looks to work the best.

Anyways, I actually wanted Danny Ainge instead of Rose. But Rose gives some scoring kick off the bench.

[MisterHibachi]

I'll volunteer my team to go to the East with TMac! Screw the west...I don't want to be there. Let them beat each other up. haha

Put everything in a randomizer. Top 8 in 1 conference, bottom 8 in another. Then randomize again for match-ups in their respective conference. None of this West vs East nonsense. Given that all of these teams have star players, random match-ups looks to work the best.

Anyways, I actually wanted Danny Ainge instead of Rose. But Rose gives some scoring kick off the bench.

Good idea. I'll randomize into conferences.

[MisterHibachi]

Here's the randomized conferences. I took the top half into the East, the bottom half into the West:

East:
Quotatious
MisterHibachi
whitehops
RSCD3_
CaliBullsFan
Bruh Man
Narigo
Notanoob

West:
batmana
john248
ThunderDan9
Sagittaron
HeartBreakKid
O_6
DHodgkins
ardee

I'll randomize seeding after everyone's declared years.

[john248]

I'll volunteer my team to go to the East with TMac! Screw the west...I don't want to be there. Let them beat each other up. haha

Put everything in a randomizer. Top 8 in 1 conference, bottom 8 in another. Then randomize again for match-ups in their respective conference. None of this West vs East nonsense. Given that all of these teams have star players, random match-ups looks to work the best.

Anyways, I actually wanted Danny Ainge instead of Rose. But Rose gives some scoring kick off the bench.

Good idea. I'll randomize into conferences.

Yea that way no one can complain about weaker pre-determined conference since it was randomized.

Anyways, loved the draft. 3 weeks for the draft is not bad at all. I think it's safe to say every team has a chance and will definitely come down to match-ups.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3

[batmana]

I am fine with the voting system where each judge declares the result of a 7-game series and each win counts as a point. I also think we should have separate threads for each series because there will be at least several posts per user just explaining how they approach the series, then probably several replies and judges' opinions, so it will be difficult to keep track of in a single thread.

I am fine with whatever means of dividing the teams into conferences you decide before making the draw. I guess after drawing Round 1 everyone will know the entire bracket and the matchups for the next rounds.

I have a question about the way we explain our strategy but I should probably keep it for later.

BTW, the seasons for my players are fine.

[MisterHibachi]

I am fine with the voting system where each judge declares the result of a 7-game series and each win counts as a point. I also think we should have separate threads for each series because there will be at least several posts per user just explaining how they approach the series, then probably several replies and judges' opinions, so it will be difficult to keep track of in a single thread.

I am fine with whatever means of dividing the teams into conferences you decide before making the draw. I guess after drawing Round 1 everyone will know the entire bracket and the matchups for the next rounds.

I have a question about the way we explain our strategy but I should probably keep it for later.

BTW, the seasons for my players are fine.

Yeah, I was leaning towards separate threads for each series. It'll make it easier to follow the arguments for each matchup and people might still wanna comment on the matchup after it has been decided. I'll make one thread for the results and that one can be stickied with the playoffs results and each judges' vote and link to the match up thread itself. Additionally this way we can have multiple series being judged at the same time.

[Quotatious]

Yeah, I was leaning towards separate threads for each series. It'll make it easier to follow the arguments for each matchup and people might still wanna comment on the matchup after it has been decided. I'll make one thread for the results and that one can be stickied with the playoffs results and each judges' vote and link to the match up thread itself. Additionally this way we can have multiple series being judged at the same time.

Yeah, with widespread moderators' approval, it seems like a good idea. Maybe we could also get these threads stickied, at least the general thread with voting.

[MisterHibachi]

Yeah, I was leaning towards separate threads for each series. It'll make it easier to follow the arguments for each matchup and people might still wanna comment on the matchup after it has been decided. I'll make one thread for the results and that one can be stickied with the playoffs results and each judges' vote and link to the match up thread itself. Additionally this way we can have multiple series being judged at the same time.

Yeah, with widespread moderators' approval, it seems like a good idea. Maybe we could also get these threads stickied, at least the general thread with voting.

I think only the thread with the results of the playoffs needs to be stickied. I'll add all the links to the matchup threads to that one so they're all easy to access. If we try to get them all stickied, the whole first page would be just that hahah

[O_6]

Kevin Durant ('12-'14)
Patrick Ewing ('90-'92)
Penny Hardaway ('94-'96)
Rasheed Wallace ('01-'03)
Joe Johnson ('08-'10)
Dennis Johnson ('80-'82)
Joakim Noah ('12-'14)
Shane Battier ('06-'08)
Antonio McDyess ('99-'01)
Terrell Brandon ('95-'97)

Ewing/Noah
Rasheed/McDyess
Durant/Battier
DJ/Joe Johnson
Penny/Brandon

Come at me bros