The Trade Thread

[ComboGuardCity]

Right now, there are 2 semi-doable trades I would do involving Monroe.

1. Kwahi Leonard - He's going to be a star in this league. He's hurt now and has been underperforming this year.

2. Rondo (Monroe and Jennings Deal) - He'll be the first person Josh has played with in his career that will tell him to STFU and stop shooting.

I like Batum, but the Blazers are rolling and he's not happening.


Other than that, we roll with the Moose, try to get Jeff Green, and run the princeton.


But really, imagine the defensive potential of a:

Lowry (Signed in off season)
KCP
Leonard
Smith
Drummond

That's insane.

[Natopher]

Right now, there are 2 semi-doable trades I would do involving Monroe.

1. Kwahi Leonard - He's going to be a star in this league. He's hurt now and has been underperforming this year.

2. Rondo (Monroe and Jennings Deal) - He'll be the first person Josh has played with in his career that will tell him to STFU and stop shooting.

I like Batum, but the Blazers are rolling and he's not happening.


Other than that, we roll with the Moose, try to get Jeff Green, and run the princeton.


But really, imagine the defensive potential of a:

Lowry (Signed in off season)
KCP
Leonard
Smith
Drummond

That's insane.

I do like that lineup with Lowry and Leonard. If we do end up trading Monroe, Kawhi is one of the few players I would legitimately be happy with getting in return. Rondo would also be cool, but his FT and 3PT % scare the crap out of me, even if he is probably the best point guard in the league by definition

[Pharaoh]

No offense but

Why would anyone want us to become Lowry, KCP, Leonard, Smith and Drummond?

IF history is any indication Lowry is merely playing out if his mind due to it being a contract season...dude also has a history of being injured

Throw in the following realistic assumptions:

KCP is never going to be a legit #1 option offensively

Neither is Leonard

Drummond might never get his offensive game to that level either

AND Smith is likely to decline rapidly once father time starts to steal his athleticism....

So what we'd have is (at best) a group of individuals that we HOPE will be larger than the sum of its parts...capable of giving all but the very best teams nightmares on the defensive end while utilising an "equal opportunity" offense to win 50 games year after year, falling in the 2nd round.

Excuse my optimism but I still believe we can have something special with Drummond and Monroe. Keeping them together gives us our best chance at actually being great.

I realise I might be in the minority but I'd rather take that chance and fail then to settle for being merely good for a long-ish period of time

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[Damon_3388]

No offense but

Why would anyone want us to become Lowry, KCP, Leonard, Smith and Drummond?

IF history is any indication Lowry is merely playing out if his mind due to it being a contract season...dude also has a history of being injured

Throw in the following realistic assumptions:

KCP is never going to be a legit #1 option offensively

Neither is Leonard

Drummond might never get his offensive game to that level either

AND Smith is likely to decline rapidly once father time starts to steal his athleticism....

So what we'd have is (at best) a group of individuals that we HOPE will be larger than the sum of its parts...capable of giving all but the very best teams nightmares on the defensive end while utilising an "equal opportunity" offense to win 50 games year after year, falling in the 2nd round.

Excuse my optimism but I still believe we can have something special with Drummond and Monroe. Keeping them together gives us our best chance at actually being great.

I realise I might be in the minority but I'd rather take that chance and fail then to settle for being merely good for a long-ish period of time

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Yeah TBH I'd rather not be the Denver of the East, with an "even" squad that's forever stuck in that 45-50 win, first or second round playoff exit cycle.

[Piston Pete]

We should really be looking to trade Smith and Bynum for whatever we can get for them. Addition by subtraction.

[Hotmayo]

No^^

We should be looking to trade Monroe and stuckey

I would offer those two for milsap and Korver.

Jennings
Kcp
Smith
Milsap
Drummond

No offense to Monroe... But we need a power forward

Monroe can't play pik n roll or defend pik n roll. KINDA a big problem when your 4 isn't a perimeter player on this particular sqaud

[BadMofoPimp]

I think Atlanta is happy with Milsap and Korver.

[Piston Pete]

If we trade Monroe, it won't be for another PF unless we're also dealing away Smith....

Any Monroe trade where we're still projecting Smith as our starting SF is a fail.

[Hotmayo]

I think Atlanta is happy with Milsap and Korver.

I know right.. Milsap is the perfect power forward next to smith and Drummond..wish joe was smart enough to go after milsap. Milsap is shooting over 40% from three with >2 attempts per game

It's too bad bc he was available

[OneBadMutha]

Would love to get Leonard for Monroe but I can't see the Spurs doing it. I think we highly over-value Monroe's worth in Detroit. Bigs that are major defensive liabilities don't have this super value unless they have superstar offensive abilities. Monroe puts up good, not great stats. He does it with fair, not great efficiency. He hasn't been improving therefore his age isn't as much a factor as fans would like to think it is.

[Hotmayo]

If we trade Monroe, it won't be for another PF unless we're also dealing away Smith....

Any Monroe trade where we're still projecting Smith as our starting SF is a fail.

We actually need a power forward and a shooting guard that can play as threats on the perimeter to balance out smith, Drummond, an jennings. Teams just pack in the paint and force jennings and josh to shoot threes. Josh isn't cutting or playing his game per se bc the paint is packed. And same is said for Drummond.

Hence the pistons dilemma

[Hotmayo]

^^ joe isn't trading josh. If he does I'd be shocked and just resign for being incompetent as a GM

[Bucks2585]

What would you think of a trade like this?

OJ Mayo + Zaza Pachullia + Gary Neal

for

Charlie Villanueva + Chauncey Billups + Jonas Jerebko

Obviously, most of these guys are none contributers on your end. They contracts are shorter, but right now for the next two years Billups and Jonas are pretty much just sucking up salary. So on your end, its just a matter of taking back contracts. However, what you are getting is your biggest weakness. 3 point shooting. As good as Kaldwell-Pope has played, his 3 point percentage still is low and he doesn't get enough shots to impact your 3 point shooting as a whole anyway. However, with backup guards like Mayo and Neal, or maybe even starting Mayo, you get two near 40% 3 point shooters. It allows you to put in lineups like having Caldwell-Pope at the 3 and instead of Stuckey, a Neal or a Mayo at the 2. That way, you have the spacing your offense desperately needs.

For Zaza, its just a matter of late game situations. Looking at your roster, you don't really have a true backup C. Monroe fits, but Ive seen many of you question whether or not he will even be here next year. If hes gone and Smith moves to PF, you would need another backup big. While Zaza isnt the athlete that Smith and Drummond are, hes a veteran player that brings one important quality that neither of them do. He hits his FTs consistently. Him coming in late in the game could make the difference between winning and losing a close game during a playoff run.

[Piston Pete]

What would you think of a trade like this?

OJ Mayo + Zaza Pachullia + Gary Neal

for

Charlie Villanueva + Chauncey Billups + Jonas Jerebko

Obviously, most of these guys are none contributers on your end. They contracts are shorter, but right now for the next two years Billups and Jonas are pretty much just sucking up salary. So on your end, its just a matter of taking back contracts. However, what you are getting is your biggest weakness. 3 point shooting. As good as Kaldwell-Pope has played, his 3 point percentage still is low and he doesn't get enough shots to impact your 3 point shooting as a whole anyway. However, with backup guards like Mayo and Neal, or maybe even starting Mayo, you get two near 40% 3 point shooters. It allows you to put in lineups like having Caldwell-Pope at the 3 and instead of Stuckey, a Neal or a Mayo at the 2. That way, you have the spacing your offense desperately needs.

For Zaza, its just a matter of late game situations. Looking at your roster, you don't really have a true backup C. Monroe fits, but Ive seen many of you question whether or not he will even be here next year. If hes gone and Smith moves to PF, you would need another backup big. While Zaza isnt the athlete that Smith and Drummond are, hes a veteran player that brings one important quality that neither of them do. He hits his FTs consistently. Him coming in late in the game could make the difference between winning and losing a close game during a playoff run.

Congrats on making both teams worse....


Caron Butler, Luke Ridnour, Giannis Adetokunbo FOR Josh Smith, Gigi Datome, Peyton Siva??

[momed11]

You know whats crazy... As the deadline approaches closer i don't think Joe D is going to make any moved. It would be the Dumars thing to do (and its probably best because he would screw us over anyways).

[machu46]

What would you think of a trade like this?

OJ Mayo + Zaza Pachullia + Gary Neal

for

Charlie Villanueva + Chauncey Billups + Jonas Jerebko

Obviously, most of these guys are none contributers on your end. They contracts are shorter, but right now for the next two years Billups and Jonas are pretty much just sucking up salary. So on your end, its just a matter of taking back contracts. However, what you are getting is your biggest weakness. 3 point shooting. As good as Kaldwell-Pope has played, his 3 point percentage still is low and he doesn't get enough shots to impact your 3 point shooting as a whole anyway. However, with backup guards like Mayo and Neal, or maybe even starting Mayo, you get two near 40% 3 point shooters. It allows you to put in lineups like having Caldwell-Pope at the 3 and instead of Stuckey, a Neal or a Mayo at the 2. That way, you have the spacing your offense desperately needs.

For Zaza, its just a matter of late game situations. Looking at your roster, you don't really have a true backup C. Monroe fits, but Ive seen many of you question whether or not he will even be here next year. If hes gone and Smith moves to PF, you would need another backup big. While Zaza isnt the athlete that Smith and Drummond are, hes a veteran player that brings one important quality that neither of them do. He hits his FTs consistently. Him coming in late in the game could make the difference between winning and losing a close game during a playoff run.

Congrats on making both teams worse....


Caron Butler, Luke Ridnour, Giannis Adetokunbo FOR Josh Smith, Gigi Datome, Peyton Siva??

I'm guessing this trade offer was your way of mocking the Bucks guy for a bad trade offer? Trading Giannis straight up for Josh Smith would be horrible on Milwaukee's end, and Luigi and especially Siva are non-factors.

[Q00]

Terry Foster was just talking on the radio about a weird vibe going on at Pistons practice. He thinks they are making a move and that its going to be Monroe. Its all just his 'hunch' though, no actual inside info, so make of it what you will.

He also mentioned he thinks they want to make a push for not just the playoffs, but one of the higher seeds to where they have a chance to win a series, and they could be looking for a piece that can get them there. He said they would likely look to get a SF who can shoot and allow Smith to move to PF.

Jeff Green had a monster game last night 39 pts, 9 rebs, and 3 steals on 8-16 3FG. With Boston shopping him and knowing Joe has iiked Green ever since he was drafted, I could see Joe/Ainge making that deal, personally.

Would it be a major talent upgrade that will change our season? no, probably more of a lateral move talent-wise, but in terms of fit, Green would fit so much better and that could make a big difference in the season. I'd love to get Carmelo or Rondo, but Green would probably be the next best consolation prize.

[Piston Pete]

Terry Foster was just talking on the radio about a weird vibe going on at Pistons practice. He thinks they are making a move and that its going to be Monroe. Its all just his 'hunch' though, no actual inside info, so make of it what you will.

He also mentioned he thinks they want to make a push for not just the playoffs, but one of the higher seeds to where they have a chance to win a series, and they could be looking for a piece that can get them there. He said they would likely look to get a SF who can shoot and allow Smith to move to PF.

Jeff Green had a monster game last night 39 pts, 9 rebs, and 3 steals on 8-16 3FG. With Boston shopping him and knowing Joe has iiked Green ever since he was drafted, I could see Joe/Ainge making that deal, personally.

Would it be a major talent upgrade that will change our season? no, probably more of a lateral move talent-wise, but in terms of fit, Green would fit so much better and that could make a big difference in the season. I'd love to get Carmelo or Rondo, but Green would probably be the next best consolation prize.

I just threw up in my mouth a little....

I like Green, but we better not be moving Monroe for him.

And unless we trade CV/Jerebko for Melo.....there's not a trade out there that could make us contenders in the lowly East.

[Defor]

I wish Gore would fire Joe and fine someone who knows what the hell he's doing before any trades are done.

[Q00]

Terry Foster was just talking on the radio about a weird vibe going on at Pistons practice. He thinks they are making a move and that its going to be Monroe. Its all just his 'hunch' though, no actual inside info, so make of it what you will.

He also mentioned he thinks they want to make a push for not just the playoffs, but one of the higher seeds to where they have a chance to win a series, and they could be looking for a piece that can get them there. He said they would likely look to get a SF who can shoot and allow Smith to move to PF.

Jeff Green had a monster game last night 39 pts, 9 rebs, and 3 steals on 8-16 3FG. With Boston shopping him and knowing Joe has iiked Green ever since he was drafted, I could see Joe/Ainge making that deal, personally.

Would it be a major talent upgrade that will change our season? no, probably more of a lateral move talent-wise, but in terms of fit, Green would fit so much better and that could make a big difference in the season. I'd love to get Carmelo or Rondo, but Green would probably be the next best consolation prize.

I just threw up in my mouth a little....

I like Green, but we better not be moving Monroe for him.

And unless we trade CV/Jerebko for Melo.....there's not a trade out there that could make us contenders in the lowly East.

No one said anything about making a trade to make us contenders.

Monroe is not any better than Green, tbh. He's more valuable because he's a younger big man, but in terms of impact and production, they are essentially the same talents, just different positions. When you consider Monroe will be a 14 mil/yr player this time next year, Green at 8 mil/yr for around the same production suddenly sounds a lot better. Not to mention that he fits better too.

Someone mentioned on the GB though that perhaps Ainge would be more interested in Smith than Monroe, because of Rondo. Which is something I haven't heard much, because people say no one else wanted Smith this summer, but they forget that the Celtics wanted him at Rondo's request. So if they are looking to keep Rondo longterm now, and he's pushing to get Smith there, that could be something to watch as well. Because of that, I could see Ainge being interested in either of them - Smith or Monroe - for Green.