Game 41: Pacers @ Suns

[INFORMER-93]

So does this mean we get reprieve from all the griping about Dragic's inability to defend or throw a lob pass?

[TOO]

I've given up on Dragic defending anyone shorter than him, so yes.

[RunDogGun]

If Steve Kerr was the type he would be talking so much **** right now the first year we had dragic he got so much crap for picking him I remember a yahoo sports writer called dragic the worst player in the nba

Which is RIDICULOUS because he was what... the 46th pick in the draft?? Getting **** for a late second round pick is laughable.

Well Robin Lopez wasnt helping his case at the time, look at them now though Kerr was pretty good

What about passing up Jrue for Clark? He also skipped over Hibbert for Lopez, so...was Kerr good?

I don't think he should get crap for going after Goran, but we did give up two second rounders, one of which was in the thirties, half a million, and paid Goran better than Lopez.

And cough..KT trade...cough.

[Blackification]

Which is RIDICULOUS because he was what... the 46th pick in the draft?? Getting **** for a late second round pick is laughable.

Well Robin Lopez wasnt helping his case at the time, look at them now though Kerr was pretty good

What about passing up Jrue for Clark? He also skipped over Hibbert for Lopez, so...was Kerr good?

I don't think he should get crap for going after Goran, but we did give up two second rounders, one of which was in the thirties, half a million, and paid Goran better than Lopez.

And cough..KT trade...cough.

I don't believe in looking back and saying oh look hibbert is so much better than lopez now our GM sucks for not picking him. I think it takes more than that certain players flourish in different systems and develop better on different teams.

He also set up that 2010 run with the jrich trade every GM has their good and bad I think Kerr did pretty good you have to also remember Sarver was a lot worse back then compared to now which is why I think Kerr quit.

[RunDogGun]

I didn't say Kerr was terrible, but I also don't think Lopez playing so so many years after we drafted him makes Kerr look good either. We picked him too early, like many of our Gms seem to do, and many of the guys we pick, don't do well until they leave our team or after they are traded away.

Sarver is finally trusting the right people.

[Blackification]

I didn't say Kerr was terrible, but I also don't think Lopez playing so so many years after we drafted him makes Kerr look good either. We picked him too early, like many of our Gms seem to do, and many of the guys we pick, don't do well until they leave our team or after they are traded away.

Sarver is finally trusting the right people.

I think you can say that for a lot of teams and it might be because of players declaring for the draft too early and not developing enough in college. Like we are seeing with archie right now, do you risk passing on him because he isn't ready yet or do you pick him up before another team does and develop him yourself? You do have a good point though it seems like a lot of the players we drafted did great for other teams. But thats a result of a lot of things like chemistry, playtime, and some teams are better at developing players than others.

I honestly can't say we've been very good at developing rookies the last couple of years. Dragic might be the only one who consistently improved and how much of that is thanks to his experience overseas and the time he spent with nash? I guess player development is a whole different discussion though I just find it interesting in our current situation.

[RunDogGun]

I think that us why I put little trust in the draft. Too many guys leave college too early, and lack the basic fundamentals that one would learn being in a four year program. So in turn, you don't have guys hitting their development maturity until the end of their rookie contract, if they do at all.

I'm fine with grabbing Goodwin. With a late first rounder, I don't mind grabbing a project player, low risk, possible high reward.

But we don't have to go down this past path. Although, I really don't like listening to Kerr commentate, I don't know why.

[SiMan]

That's why it' probably better to draft young guys from Europe because those guys play in the Euroleague and are imho more experienced than players that spend 1 year in college.

[Blackification]

That's why it' probably better to draft young guys from Europe because those guys play in the Euroleague and are imho more experienced than players that spend 1 year in college.

the trick with the euro players is that sometimes they don't adjust to the nba and end up playing terrible and going back to europe.

On more relevant news according to the new article on azcentral Sarver did the Dragic signing in the parking lot lol while stopping the blanks regime from getting felton? Wow how did Blanks even get a job

[SiMan]

That's why it' probably better to draft young guys from Europe because those guys play in the Euroleague and are imho more experienced than players that spend 1 year in college.

the trick with the euro players is that sometimes they don't adjust to the nba and end up playing terrible and going back to europe.

yes, that's true, the euro game is quite a bit different from the nba so they need some time do adapt, and some of the players are never able to do it

[RunDogGun]

That's why it' probably better to draft young guys from Europe because those guys play in the Euroleague and are imho more experienced than players that spend 1 year in college.

Usually, yes. The problem I find with Euro players, is they are usually under contract with a club, which makes it difficult to bring over once drafted.

Goran is a good example of this. We ended up having to pay him more than our fifteenth pick, and giving him a guaranteed contract like a first rounder, just to make it lucrative enough for him to come over. Mirotic is another good example of this. Good to great Euro player, but so many strings attached before he can actually play for the team which drafted him.

But what does seem clear, players seem more well adjusted when they have played within a system for a few years.

[Kyler Murray]

That's why it' probably better to draft young guys from Europe because those guys play in the Euroleague and are imho more experienced than players that spend 1 year in college.

Usually, yes. The problem I find with Euro players, is they are usually under contract with a club, which makes it difficult to bring over once drafted.

Goran is a good example of this. We ended up having to pay him more than our fifteenth pick, and giving him a guaranteed contract like a first rounder, just to make it lucrative enough for him to come over. Mirotic is another good example of this. Good to great Euro player, but so many strings attached before he can actually play for the team which drafted him.

But what does seem clear, players seem more well adjusted when they have played within a system for a few years.

Mirotic is one hell of a player, I really hope he comes overseas eventually, I believe his style really fits the NBA, unlimited range, very smart player and very good offensive & transition player. Would love to have him on our Suns.

[RunDogGun]

I agree about his abilities, just don't like that many Euro guys enter the draft, with little to no way of them instantly playing for the team, which drafted them. If he doesn't come over next season, more than likely he won't until 2016 or later.

[Kyler Murray]

Not much harm for a rebuilding team if he comes a year or two later. It's kinda cool if you consider that you'll get an even better player on a rookie contract. If he goes to second round, i wouldn't hesitate at all, even late first round would be fine by me, instead of paying guaranteed money on a hit or miss situation.