Josh Smith on pace to be WORST 3pt Shooter....EVER

[PandaKidd]

I cant believe no one posted this. THANK GOD we didnt give him a meeting or any contract extension. So sad to see his talent just go to waste.


http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2014/1/22 ... ooter-ever

Yes, Josh Smith is a bad 3-point shooter. Yes, he has been worse this year than in years past. Yes, he is playing out of position at small forward. We can dispense with all the usual preamble because the crux of the matter is this: Josh Smith is on a collision course with the wrong kind of history. He's on pace to turn in the worst 3-point shooting season in NBA history. The. Worst. Ever. In history. In all of NBA basketball that has ever been played.

Oh yeah, and he's also on pace to shoot more 3-pointers this season than he has in any year of his career. In fact, he's only about 12 games away from eclipsing his own career high at the pace he is chucking. While simultaneously setting a career low in 3-point percentage (min. 25 attempts).

Not depressed enough yet?

Smith is on pace to hoist more than 300 3-pointers this season. He's also converting at a 23.9 percent clip. Want to guess how many players in NBA history have attempted at least 300 3-pointers in a season? Go ahead, guess. I'll give you a hint, it's a lot! Did you guess? Good.

The answer, according to Basketball-Reference, is 667 players. Of those 667 players, do you want to know how many of them converted at less than a 30 percent success rate? Seventeen (17). Of those 17 do you know how many people have been worse than Smith is on pace to be? Zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Nil.

If this current pace holds, here is the ignominious company that Smith would sit atop, more futile than all comers!

It gets better. Give it a read.

Then this happened:
Josh Smith says Pistons need to be less selfish, is he right?
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... s-he-right

Maybe Smith just needs to shoot better than 41 percent from the field.

GLORIOUS

[Jamaaliver]

I told them, PK. I told them for years this dude was a black hole. A block head.

No one believed me. A few lamented the fact he was gone earlier this season. The dude just does not get it.

Pistons fans have been calling for his head for months now. (Note that we are only 3 months into his 4 year contract.)

It's almost sad to watch all that talent/potential go to waste.

On top of all of that, my contact within the Pistons often states that he is incredibly difficult to work with. From trainers to coaches to front office types.

So glad he's gone. I've been driving the 'I Hate Josh Smith' train for years. Glad to see the rest of the world is hopping aboard.

[PandaKidd]

I was hoping you would see this HAHA

When AH went down with the first pectoral tear, should have moved him THEN. Did you watch the Laker vs Heat game last night? Pau can still be viable, he absolutely worked Chris Bosh all night. Pretty left and right handed hooks, etc.

I know its all in a vacuum, but looking at it now, would have traded for Pau if we could have made salaries work.

So glad Josh is gone, such a head case

[Jamaaliver]

THANK GOD we didnt give him a meeting or any contract extension.

Sadly, D Ferry did initially offer Josh an extension.

He got really lucky that Josh is a moron. Otherwise things could have gotten real ugly.

[azuresou1]

I told them, PK. I told them for years this dude was a black hole. A block head.

No one believed me. A few lamented the fact he was gone earlier this season. The dude just does not get it.

Pistons fans have been calling for his head for months now. (Note that we are only 3 months into his 4 year contract.)

It's almost sad to watch all that talent/potential go to waste.

On top of all of that, my contact within the Pistons often states that he is incredibly difficult to work with. From trainers to coaches to front office types.

So glad he's gone. I've been driving the 'I Hate Josh Smith' train for years. Glad to see the rest of the world is hopping aboard.

You have a contact within the Pistons?

[reazun]

They have to hate him in Detroit. We put up with him much better, I think, because he is a hometown guy. Raised in Atlanta, we had more patience with him. Josh could have really been a hall of famer in my opinion if he would have just listened and played smart ball.

[MaceCase]

THANK GOD we didnt give him a meeting or any contract extension.

Sadly, D Ferry did initially offer Josh an extension.

He got really lucky that Josh is a moron. Otherwise things could have gotten real ugly.

Contract extensions are token offers and no more than good faith gestures given that veteran free agents stand to gain both more money and years the moment their initial deal expires rather than extending upon it.

The fact that Ferry offered him one doesn't mean anything as it was highly unlikely Josh would ever accept it much like when Sund offered Joe his initial max extension that he turned down. It paid off for both, although Josh didn't get as much annually as was reported he still ended up with more total money and more years.

[parson]

To be fair, I always loved Smith's heart: his fire and determination to be great.

If only Marvin Williams had had that (if only Josh Smith had had Marvelous's shooting stroke).

I am convinced that Smith thinks the 3pt shots are going to improve one day, so he keeps on trying. You can tell that he thinks we're idiots for not understanding.

[Jamaaliver]

You have a contact within the Pistons?

I had one for years with the Hawks, but I was forbade from ever quoting him directly. Ferry cleaned out his department after taking over..

I have a friend who works for the Pistons currently. The organization loves Drummond. On and off the court. They are already less enamored with Josh.

NOTE: He works on the business side of the franchise. Not basketball operations. But the two sides work in tandem. It's no secret that Josh has already burned a few bridges, though.

[Jamaaliver]

Contract extensions are token offers and no more than good faith gestures....

Josh could have really been a hall of famer in my opinion if he would have just listened and played smart ball.

[Jamaaliver]

This current article comes almost exactly a year to the day after Grantland labeled him quite possibly the worst jump shooter in the entire NBA.

So, in a sense, he's getting worse. He used to be the worst in the league. Now he's approaching the worst of all-time.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49283/courtvision-the-worst-shooters-so-far

Smith arrives at his forgettable overall shooting efficiency by being very efficient near the basket and the worst volume shooter in the NBA away from the basket. So far this season, Smith has made more than 62 percent of his shots close to the basket, which is a value significantly higher than the NBA average. It’s also higher than Tim Duncan’s 60 percent and Dwight Howard’s 61 percent

While it would be unfair to label him the worst jump shooter in the NBA, it is probably fair to claim that he is the worst active jump shooter in the league. Most guys — Tyson Chandler, for example — who can’t shoot 17-footers don’t make a habit of trying anyway. Smith does.

As of January 22, Smith was 80-for-297 (27 percent) outside of 7.5 feet, and 178-for-287 (62 percent) inside that distance. He spends too much time doing stuff he’s not good at. The notion that Smith has more midrange attempts than Al Horford and Lou Williams is simply ridiculous.

[parson]

Looking at that chart, I am now astonished that the Magic chose Baby Davis to try to win it from the left side - where he is the worst in all of the NBA. Either Budenholzer's a genius who forced the ball there or Vaughn's not bright.

It wasn't even a good shot but ... a fallaway.

[Yungsta404]

Just glad he is gone. He ruined hawks basketball for me last season. Some of his plays during the season were so bad and selfish I had to turn the game off. everyone bought into the new system but him. He disregarded the team and did his own thing.

All of the low IQ plays
All of the selfish plays
All of the games where he decides to take the day off and play lazy

He is everything I hate in a basketball player combined into one. The pacers/hawks game 6 was the final straw for me he played so bad and so selfish that if we resigned him I was going to be anti-hawk as long as he was wearing a hawks uniform.

I glad none of yall have any influence on the hawk personnel decisions cause there were tons of people on here that wanted to resign him and play him at SF.

[azuresou1]

You have a contact within the Pistons?

I had one for years with the Hawks, but I was forbade from ever quoting him directly. Ferry cleaned out his department after taking over..

I have a friend who works for the Pistons currently. The organization loves Drummond. On and off the court. They are already less enamored with Josh.

NOTE: He works on the business side of the franchise. Not basketball operations. But the two sides work in tandem. It's no secret that Josh has already burned a few bridges, though.

You wouldn't mind passing me his contact info via PM, would you? I've been finding that it's incredibly hard for me to get my foot in the NBA door - and TBQH an opportunity on the business side would be amazing.

[dms269]

I would love to be a little bird inside of Josh's mind when he thinks about basketball. Does he actually think he can make those shots or does he honestly not give a crap?

[Jamaaliver]

You wouldn't mind passing me his contact info via PM, would you? I've been finding that it's incredibly hard for me to get my foot in the NBA door - and TBQH an opportunity on the business side would be amazing.

Let me run it past him first. I'm not sure if he'll be amused or infuriated that I go around quoting him on sports blogs...

I would love to be a little bird inside of Josh's mind when he thinks about basketball. Does he actually think he can make those shots or does he honestly not give a crap?

I've heard for years that he makes them pretty consistently at shoot-around before the games, but you'd think that at this point that he would just stick to his strengths in game.

He's been advised, questioned, instructed for years to limit the long jump shots. Yet he still proceeds on as 'Midrange, Shawty'...putting up shots at every turn.

I maintain that the worst thing that could have happened to Josh was that brief stint where he was avg 25/10 after Horford went down. He was largely shooting the exact same shots, but he was on a hot streak and making them all over the court. In the two seasons since, he's consistently shot even more jumpers than ever at the worst clips of his career.

[azuresou1]

Sure thing, I understand.

I actually think I understand Josh's mentality, considering I usually play the 4 in pickup and chuck way too many jumpers. Let me throw out my thought process:

Playing inside is hard work, and often times for little payoff. Unless you make good cuts or the defender is lazy, you rarely get the ball in your hands. Staying at the high elbow means you're generally available as a swing option. Then, when you get the ball, your guy is sagging off you. How insulting!
Who does that guy think he is, sagging off me? I know I'm not the greatest shooter but I can make this shot. I'm gonna drain this shot right in his face. Oh ****, I missed. I guess there's always next time...

TL;DR: Laziness meets pride

[Jamaaliver]

Playing inside is hard work, and often times for little payoff. Staying at the high elbow means you're generally available as a swing option. Then, when you get the ball, your guy is sagging off you. How insulting!

This sounds exactly right. But it becomes a question of cause and effect:

Do opponents sag off defensively because Josh is shooting from the wings, or does Josh shoot because his defender is sagging off.

I often watch games online and listen to the opponents' broadcast team. They have all said the same thing for years, let him take all the shots from deep he wants. Leave him open and watch Josh shoot his team out of the victory...

[azuresou1]

Playing inside is hard work, and often times for little payoff. Staying at the high elbow means you're generally available as a swing option. Then, when you get the ball, your guy is sagging off you. How insulting!

This sounds exactly right. But it becomes a question of cause and effect:

Do opponents sag off defensively because Josh is shooting from the wings, or does Josh shoot because his defender is sagging off.

I often watch games online and listen to the opponents' broadcast team. They have all said the same thing for years, let him take all the shots from deep he wants. Leave him open and watch Josh shoot his team out of the victory...

I think it was the death spiral of Josh's once-promising career.

A toast to what could have been...

[D21]

IMO, the saddest thing is that despite this horrible numbers, he consistently has good +/-
With ATL, the team was often better with him on the floor, and DET has the same problem (Smith and Monroe are the best with +4.7 and +5.1, while they are -7.7 with Drummond)

It shows the impact he's still has, and the one he could bring if he decides to stop all these stupid shots.

Regarding that record, it's horrible, but I always said and would still prefer to see him shoot a 3 than a long 2 because even at 25%, it's like 37,5% at 2, which he has less chance to make it.
Don't get me wrong, the best would simply be to stop all of the long shots, 2 and 3