Drummond's post touches

[Q00]

Basketball reference finally put up their shooting splits for the year, and it shows Drummond is actually our most effective player on hook shots, yet he gets the least amount of opporunities

Dre
14-23 for 61%

Monroe
41-72 for 57%

Smith
41-83 for 49%

Its a small sample size, but at the very least it shows that he's earned more touches in the post, in my opinion. Its hard to say if all those 23 shots came on backdown post-ups, or from instances where he gets the offensive rebound and the defense is scrambled and he puts up a quick hook shot. But it does seem like when he's gotten opportunities in the post, he's been pretty effective in those instances too.

I understand its hard for Cheeks to find enough for 3 bigs on the court at the same time, but in the times when he is by himself with the second unit, they should be posting him up inside more. Part of the advantage of putting 4 smalls around him is that it forces the defense to go small and spreads the court. Meaning in that situation he should have an easy 1 on 1 matchup in the post against a backup Center with lots of room to operate. Yet what usually happens is he stands around watching the 4 smalls dribble and shoot. I think if there's one goal for the second half of the season it should be to increase Drummonds workload in the post and accelerate his development there. Whether they make the playoffs or not, if they can go into the summer with Drummond having developed just one go to move in the post, this season will have been a success.

[dVs33]

it would be good to get Drummond more touches, but if he did get more looks, his percentage would go down. He has a long way to go with his post game.

[Phenomenonsense]

I would much rather be feeding Drummond than letting Smith take shots. Who cares if he turns it over under the rim. A Smoove shot is just as much a turnover

[Clarity]

In other news, the sky is blue

[paQo the BAWSER]

Agree with that, Drummond needs more ball

[princeofpalace]

Greg is our best option in the post and its not particularly close.

That being said, anybody is a better option than Smith who doesn't excel anywhere on the floor.

[vic]

it would be good to get Drummond more touches, but if he did get more looks, his percentage would go down. He has a long way to go with his post game.

thats the same thing they said about all his other stats. they lied.

[momed11]

"If drummond wants more post touches maybe he should ask brandon jennings for more post touches".

You think mo cheeks cares?

[Billl]

I don't think that there is any doubt that his post game is not ready for a constant diet of touches, but yeah, you gotta feed the big guy occasionally.

At this point, it would probably be most effective to try that when he is out there with the second unit. He already draws huge attention rolling to the basket off the pick and roll up top. Teams are consistently overplaying that now. If guys are consistently going to play him to go to the rim, all he as to do is stop 5 ft short, turn around and seal his man behind him. I think he would be a lot more effective in that type of quick hit play vs trying to back down guys, facing rotating defenders, and basically having 10 eyes on him trying to make a post move.

[need4detroit]

I kind of wanna see what Dre can do facing up. Way too quick for any center.

[paQo the BAWSER]

I kind of wanna see what Dre can do facing up. Way too quick for any center.

Absolutely agree, but he needs protect the ball and right now he hasn't got a good ball-handling, but if he train that, he would be absolutely unstoppable.

[need4detroit]

I agree. His handles are actually really good for a big but he doesn't protect the ball well inside.

[ComboGuardCity]

Dre struggles with turn overs in the post. But I agree, this shows josh smith needs to go

[Q00]

Dre struggles with turn overs in the post. But I agree, this shows josh smith needs to go

lol no it doesn't. It shows we need to get Drummond more post ups. And the only way he will get better in the post is with a steady diet of touches.

Monroe didn't just become a good post player by accident. His first year he had nothing in the post. His second year they gave him a steady diet and developed his postgame into what it is now. If they just kept using him as a utility player like his rookie year (like they do now with Dre) then Monroe would probably still be a utility player.

Drummond can only work on it so much in practice. Eventually he has to put in to use in games and get used to double teams and guards swiping at the ball.

Smith overall is 56% in the paint and Monroe is 57%. Their % on hook shots shouldn't be a factor in saying one needs to go. They are both equally productive inside overall. However, it does show which player should be getting more/less hook shots. Dre should be getting more, Smith less.

[Notanoob]

Speaking of rookie-year Greg Monroe, why have we not seen much pick and roll stuff with him for the past three years? He was pretty effective in that role IIRC.

[Q00]

Speaking of rookie-year Greg Monroe, why have we not seen much pick and roll stuff with him for the past three years? He was pretty effective in that role IIRC.

Good question. We haven't really seen any pick and rolls period with any of our bigs. I remember the reasoning cited for trading Knight was because Drummond's strength was pick and roll and Knight didn't fit that. Yet they rarely use Drummond at all in pick and roll anymore, even now that they got Jennings and Bynum

Also I remember Joe said he envisioned Smith and Monroe could run pick and rolls together. Have we ever seen that once this year?

There just seems to be so much untapped potential with this roster strategically, and Cheeks seems to have no interest in doing anything but trotting the same lineup/system out every night and watching reruns.

[DBC10]

Speaking of rookie-year Greg Monroe, why have we not seen much pick and roll stuff with him for the past three years? He was pretty effective in that role IIRC.

Because Jennings isnt good at running a PnR.

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[pistonsbball]

He's good with his opportunistic touches because he moves quick and doesn't think about it. He wouldn't be as effective backing someone down at the start of the shot clock.. yet.

[Q00]

He's good with his opportunistic touches because he moves quick and doesn't think about it. He wouldn't be as effective backing someone down at the start of the shot clock.. yet.

That's why you give him more though. So that the backdown variety become second nature too and he doesn't have to think anymore. It just becomes a natural reaction. He gets in the post, reads the defense, if its single coverage he backs him down and shoots/dunks. If its double coverage he finds the open shooter. Right now he's uncomfortable and indecisive there because he just lacks experience, which will only improve with more touches.

Even with that said, he's 14-23 on hook shots on the season, so maybe he's not as ineffective as it appears. I think sometimes you see him go in the post a few times and shoot an airball and that leaves an impression that outweighs all the other times when he succeeds. But you can't look at it that way. Just like if he gets 5 blocks in a game but gets dunked on once, that one dunk doesn't outweigh the great defense he played getting those 5 blocks like some think. Overall though, it appears he is actually succeeding with his touches on offense more than failing, by the numbers. So he needs more, not necessarily for the teams sake but for his own development

[Q00]

Speaking of rookie-year Greg Monroe, why have we not seen much pick and roll stuff with him for the past three years? He was pretty effective in that role IIRC.

Because Jennings isnt good at running a PnR.

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I recall they did research on him in the pick and roll before trading for him and he graded out well in Milwaukee. I think he's more than capable of being a good pick and roll PG. I don't think the coach's are doing a good job with them practicing their execution on pick and rolls. This team just has the look of one that rarely does anything in practice with any repetition. Every play they run they just seem so green at it, like they just tried it once in practice and called it a day.

To me that's one of their biggest problems is they just don't execute anything with the necessary precision. Its not all the personnel. Its just everything is executed lazy and half ass. That's why I'm convinced a coach like Popovich would have this roster succeeding right now.