Quick question from a Raps fan

dkb33 · Post #1 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:21 pm

In the summer Masai Ujiri reportedly offered DeMar DeRozan for Eric Bledsoe and was shot down rather quickly. In hindsight I was curious if Clipper fans wished that they had pulled the trigger on that trade?

DeMar DeRozan - 22ppg, 4.7rpg, 3.6apg - 42.9fg%, 30.03P%, 78.0FT% 7.0APG

A core of Paul/DeRozan/Griffin/Jordan sounds really good and it would give you the slasher I feel your team could really use in your starting lineup. Thoughts?

Forte IV · Post #2 » by **Forte IV** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:46 pm

We wanted 3 point shooting, not pure scoring from iso plays. Look, I'm a big fan of DeRozan. But it wouldn't have worked out, especially since he's only shooting 30% from 3-point land. Something we desperately needed to improve on.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #3 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 pm

i wanted a trade for terrence ross ... but not for EB... DD .... wouldn't fit in our system.

dkb33 · Post #4 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:48 pm

SuperNova854 wrote:We wanted 3 point shooting, not pure scoring from iso plays. Look, I'm a big fan of DeRozan. But it wouldn't have worked out, especially since he's only shooting 30% from 3-point land. Something we desperately needed to improve on.

The three point shot is weak and I do not see that changing anytime soon but DeRozan would be an upgrade on defense.

dkb33 · Post #5 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:50 pm

azncorruptedo17 wrote:i wanted a trade for terrence ross ... but not for EB... DD .... wouldn't fit in our system.

Is creation from the wing not a concern come playoff time though? If Crawford was hurt you would literally have nobody that could create shots. Ross can't really create shots you are much better off with Redick then Ross considering you are contenders.

Forte IV · Post #6 » by **Forte IV** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:55 pm

I would have rather had Afflalo(40% from 3 this year) than DeRozan. He would have fit us better. But then again, if that were to happen we wouldn't have gotten JJ.

dkb33 · Post #7 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:01 pm

SuperNova854 wrote:I would have rather had Afflalo(40% from 3 this year) than DeRozan. He would have fit us better. But then again, if that were to happen we wouldn't have gotten JJ.

I agree that Afflalo would have been a better fit for you guys as well. I would take DeRozan over Afflalo for the Raptors.

azncorruptedo17 · Post #8 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:09 pm

dkb33 wrote:
azncorruptedo17 wrote:i wanted a trade for terrence ross ... but not for EB... DD .... wouldn't fit in our system.

Is creation from the wing not a concern come playoff time though? If Crawford was hurt you would literally have nobody that could create shots. Ross can't really create shots you are much better off with Redick then Ross considering you are contenders.

If crawford got hurt, we'd be screwed either way. Ross is younger and is shooting better at the 3 (39%) than DD (29%).

Ross needs to gain about 10-15 lbs and he can be a legit wing himself. Plus he's cheaper.

Neddy · Post #9 » by **Neddy** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:13 pm

DeMar is a nice player in his own rights, and maybe a borderline superstar for your raptors, but for us, he does not fit well with our starters for the same reason why i am vehemently against any talk of Melo here. we have a ball dominant point guard who is arguably the best in the business at what he does, but what he lacks is a consistent spot up jumpshot, and our second best player blake also is not what you can call a shooter. they both are great playmakers, and great at so many other facets of the game. we need shooters to surround these two, and a player like JJ is the perfect SG we can ask for. on the other hand, DeMar's best fit for us would have to be taking over Jamal's job as a 6th man. i doubt he would be happy with that role.
if we had traded Bledsoe for DeMar, that would mean we don't have the pieces for JJ and Dudley deal, and our starting 5 would be

CP3-DeMar-Caron-Blake-DJ. our best long distance shooter here would be Caron, and we have all seen how hot and cold he can get. we couldn't possibly space the floor enough for anyone to operate efficiently.

on a side note, i am not too happy with Dudley but giving him a little slack between his alleged injury and time it takes to find his place and groove with our squad. but i was pretty happy with the way game went seeing barnes start over him.

dkb33 · Post #10 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:26 pm

Neddy wrote:DeMar is a nice player in his own rights, and maybe a borderline superstar for your raptors, but for us, he does not fit well with our starters for the same reason why i am vehemently against any talk of Melo here. we have a ball dominant point guard who is arguably the best in the business at what he does, but what he lacks is a consistent spot up jumpshot, and our second best player blake also is not what you can call a shooter. they both are great playmakers, and great at so many other facets of the game. we need shooters to surround these two, and a player like JJ is the perfect SG we can ask for. on the other hand, DeMar's best fit for us would have to be taking over Jamal's job as a 6th man. i doubt he would be happy with that role.
if we had traded Bledsoe for DeMar, that would mean we don't have the pieces for JJ and Dudley deal, and our starting 5 would be

CP3-DeMar-Caron-Blake-DJ. our best long distance shooter here would be Caron, and we have all seen how hot and cold he can get. we couldn't possibly space the floor enough for anyone to operate efficiently.

on a side note, i am not too happy with Dudley but giving him a little slack between his alleged injury and time it takes to find his place and groove with our squad. but i was pretty happy with the way game went seeing barnes start over him.

It looks sexy on paper but the points you made make a lot of sense. I thought with DeRozan breaking out and becoming a probable All-Star that it would make sense if the Clips traded for him. Fit does matter quite a bit though and I agree with you guys after thinking about it that DeRozan would not be a great fit for you guys.

dkb33 · Post #11 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:31 pm

dkb33 wrote:
Neddy wrote:DeMar is a nice player in his own rights, and maybe a borderline superstar for your raptors, but for us, he does not fit well with our starters for the same reason why i am vehemently against any talk of Melo here. we have a ball dominant point guard who is arguably the best in the business at what he does, but what he lacks is a consistent spot up jumpshot, and our second best player blake also is not what you can call a shooter. they both are great playmakers, and great at so many other facets of the game. we need shooters to surround these two, and a player like JJ is the perfect SG we can ask for. on the other hand, DeMar's best fit for us would have to be taking over Jamal's job as a 6th man. i doubt he would be happy with that role.
if we had traded Bledsoe for DeMar, that would mean we don't have the pieces for JJ and Dudley deal, and our starting 5 would be

CP3-DeMar-Caron-Blake-DJ. our best long distance shooter here would be Caron, and we have all seen how hot and cold he can get. we couldn't possibly space the floor enough for anyone to operate efficiently.

on a side note, i am not too happy with Dudley but giving him a little slack between his alleged injury and time it takes to find his place and groove with our squad. but i was pretty happy with the way game went seeing barnes start over him.

It looks sexy on paper but the points you made make a lot of sense. I thought with DeRozan breaking out and becoming a probable All-Star that it would make sense if the Clips traded for him. Fit does matter quite a bit though and I agree with you guys after thinking about it that DeRozan would not be a great fit for you guys. The way he is playing since the Gay trade(22.6/5.6/4.5) has clouded my vision in terms of how he would fit into other teams.

dkb33 · Post #12 » by **dkb33** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:31 pm

sorry for the double post.

Post #13 » by **og15** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:52 pm

Nope, still not very helpful.

Let's compare DeRozan vs Redick:

DeRozan:
$9.5M
Per 36: 20.8 PPG | 4.4 RPG | 3.4 APG | 29.7 3PT | 2.9 3PA | .516 TS%

Redick:
$6.3M
Per 36: 20.2 PPG | 2.6 RPG | 3.0 APG | 36.8% 3PT | 7.0 3PA | .601 TS%

Remember, on LAC, DeRozan isn't going to be given iso's and his ability to create isn't needed. What would be needed is his ability to be a supporting (and efficient) scorer playing off of Paul and BG. Now, if someone can convince me that in that role, not only can he be as effective as Redick, but has also has more value (makes $3.2M more), then sure. When on the court, they have essentially the same scoring production rate except that Redick is much more efficient, shoots the three much better and with more volume and helps keep the offense in motion with his movement.

Like mentioned, Afflalo would still make more sense if anyone was to be acquired. DeRozan is a borderline All-Star player, I disagree with him being anywhere close to a superstar, he's not even a Top 15 player in the league, so he can't be a superstar. He's obviously best as a second option, so he's playing out of his best role as a Raptor, but he's doing his best. Still, he isn't a good fit for the Clippers at starting SG or anywhere else, not just because of his game, but because of how much he makes.

LACtdom · Post #14 » by **LACtdom** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:03 pm

At the time we didn't know we would be getting redick and we didn't know bledsoe would be that good. I would have pulled the trigger but i'm very glad we didn't.

Afflalo is playing better than i thought he could this season. In hindsight, we should have gotten someone else instead of dudley but overall I'm more than happy with this trade.

Neddy · Post #15 » by **Neddy** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:18 pm

og15 wrote:Nope, still not very helpful.

just curious, who are you exactly talking to?

that toronto fan pretty much already agreed that DeMar isn't a good fit over either options you are bringing up, in case you have missed it.

Post #16 » by **og15** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:19 pm

Neddy wrote:
og15 wrote:Nope, still not very helpful.

just curious, who are you exactly talking to?

that toronto fan pretty much already agreed that DeMar isn't a good fit over either options you are bringing up, in case you have missed it.

No, I saw it, just re-iterating

Juscius · Post #17 » by **Juscius** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:55 pm

Also I wonder why OP states Demar having 7.0 APG
I know he is improved but isn't this way too big reach?

TheNewEra · Post #18 » by **TheNewEra** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:11 pm

Wish DD would bulk up some.

Post #19 » by **og15** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:34 pm

Why? he's a SG

azncorruptedo17 · Post #20 » by **azncorruptedo17** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:48 am

see why i wanted tross? xD i've been wanting tross since he got drafted... but nooooooooo. lol