Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

MaceCase · Post #1021 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:14 pm

I think Danny Ferry will side with Gary Neal's assessment of Sanders. Culture, Character and Compete have been Ferry buzzwords so I don't think Sanders would fit.

Post #1022 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:52 pm

raferfenix wrote:Hey Hawks fans, how are you valuing the Nets' pick these days? They're at 15/22 but I don't know if they are closer to getting it together or having the wheels fall off.

From a potential trade standpoint I'm remembering the rumors that the Hawks liked Sanders from last year, and am thinking about whether a package based on him might be able to yield a high risk / high reward pick like that.

Also, keep in mind that Hawks don't own Brooklyn's pick outright. Atlanta simply has the right to SWAP picks with them. Sanders, while a solid player, is NOT worth more in the long run than a chance at one of the top prospects in this draft. If the draft pick we have falls down to the mid teens, this might be worth re-visiting after the season. But with the way Sanders has behaved after signing his big contract last summer, I can't our front office or fans really clamoring to bring him in.

Post #1023 » by **dms269** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:40 pm

Yeah I'm not sure that Sanders is a Ferry/Bud type of player with the suspensions and fighting.

raferfenix · Post #1024 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:07 am

Yeah unfortunately I hear you on the character concerns...but that also happens to be the main reason for speculation that the Bucks would deal him immediately after locking him up on a big extension and calling him as a foundation part of the franchise.

High risk for sure but likewise high reward. If the Nets pick ends up more like 10-14 and Sanders gets it together it'd be looking like a massive steal on your end. Also note that I referenced a broader 'Sanders-based package."

Anyways if Ferry really has spoken out against volatile or poor character players I'd agree that it would seem less likely.

For another scenario, if we were to put him on the market, do you guys think John Henson would be someone Ferry would go after?

Part of why that might happen is that Henson is looking more like a center than a PF. There are big questions of whether he can mesh with Sanders on the court, while it seems like his game could be a good fit next to Al Horford.

Post #1025 » by **dms269** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Anyways if Ferry really has spoken out against volatile or poor character players I'd agree that it would seem less likely.

I think it has more to do with big attitude, drama guys not being part of the Spurs way, which is what Bud is trying to have here.

My biggest doubt with Henson is his size. He is only 6'11" and 220 . By comparison, the smaller Horford is 30 lbs heavier.

MaceCase · Post #1026 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:17 pm

Ferry already drafted a similar prospect to Henson in Bebe in both physical stature and ability. I imagine he would want to do his due diligence on him before he commits to a trade for Henson.

ferk · Post #1027 » by **ferk** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:59 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
ferk wrote:what would it take for the grizzlies to get Mack ?
any interest in Koufus ?

I think we would have to jump at this trade.

No disrespect to Mack, who is playing the best ball of his young career. But both are (for all intents and purposes) expiring contracts. Koufas could be retained next season without him becoming a Free Agent first. He's a serviceable body at a position of need. (Center) For the short and long-term.

While Mack is a serviceable body at a position where we have plenty of depth. (PG)

If Mack continues his above average play, I can't see any scenario where he returns next season. But we could retain Koufas or simply jettison him next year, because his contract for 2014-2015 is not guaranteed.

i was thinking Antic,Mack for Koufus ?

Post #1028 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:20 pm

MaceCase wrote:Ferry already drafted a similar prospect to Henson in Bebe in both physical stature and ability. I imagine he would want to do his due diligence on him before he commits to a trade for Henson.

I admittedly have seen very little of Henson in his collegiate or pro careers. And even less of Bebe. (Half of a Summer League game count?) Had to actually do a little research on the two of them.
One advantage Henson has over Lucas is his familiarity with the game. Nogueira is still learning the basics of positioning, playing without the ball. While John Henson played in High School and college before getting to the pros. He, thusly, is more comfortable with the ball in his hands creating his own shot.

Offense is neither of their strong suits, but from what I've read Bebe has a steep learning curve before he's a consistent contributor.

I like both players, but would rate Henson slightly higher because of this.

uga_dawgs24 wrote:My biggest doubt with Henson is his size. He is only 6'11" and 220 . By comparison, the smaller Horford is 30 lbs heavier.

This is my main concern with either player. Henson especially, since he's been in the league but hasn't bulked up too much yet. I think they could work in tandem, though I'd still feel more comfortable getting a serviceable big body to spell them both.

raferfenix wrote:For another scenario, if we were to put him on the market, do you guys think John Henson would be someone Ferry would go after?

So, in summary. That's a big fat maybe.

diesel50 · Post #1029 » by **diesel50** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:17 pm

Ok... Just looking and seeing that N.O. is looking for a big...

How about this:

Millsap/Ayon/Jenkins to N.O. for Eric Gordon/Jason Smith/2016 1st rounder.

Here's my take:

Gordon is a very gifted player. He can shoot. He can score. He can pass. He plays good defense. Smith is out for the season but will be back. He's a floor spreading PF on a really good contract.

MaceCase · Post #1030 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:19 pm

Gordon's deal is awful and while gifted he hasn't proven that he can live up to it and everyone is still holding their breath over him making it through a season healthy for the first time in 5 years. Easy pass especially if you are dealing Sap for him.

The Pelicans also would be more interested in a bigman that would keep Davis away from C rather relegate his 220lb body to the position fulltime.

Dre Drummond · Post #1031 » by **Dre Drummond** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:09 pm

Detroit needs to be bottom 8 to keep their draft pick... so what about Detroit giving up two of their best 3 players for Al Horford?

Greg Monroe + Rodney Stuckey for Al Horford

You guys improve for a playoff push, getting two solid starters. Detroit gets worse this season and hopefully falls down enough to keep their draft pick.

Post #1032 » by **dms269** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:03 pm

Dre Drummond wrote:Detroit needs to be bottom 8 to keep their draft pick... so what about Detroit giving up two of their best 3 players for Al Horford?

Greg Monroe + Rodney Stuckey for Al Horford

You guys improve for a playoff push, getting two solid starters. Detroit gets worse this season and hopefully falls down enough to keep their draft pick.

But there is really no reason for Atlanta to dump Horford for two guys who are expiring this year.

MaceCase · Post #1033 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:49 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
Dre Drummond wrote:Detroit needs to be bottom 8 to keep their draft pick... so what about Detroit giving up two of their best 3 players for Al Horford?

Greg Monroe + Rodney Stuckey for Al Horford

You guys improve for a playoff push, getting two solid starters. Detroit gets worse this season and hopefully falls down enough to keep their draft pick.

But there is really no reason for Atlanta to dump Horford for two guys who are expiring this year.

Exactly. Only thing to gain is Bird rights on Stuck and RFA rights on Monroe but then again the team wouldn't be able to afford them both outright in free agency. I don't know, I think Sap and Moose would be formidable together and we'd curry favor with Horf by sending him to his home state and to a team with a potential star C to put next to him.

I think extending it to include Louis+filler for Villanueva's expiring would make it more interesting in order to give the team more cap wiggle room to actually resign the guys but in the end I think it's a pass.

azuresou1 · Post #1034 » by **azuresou1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:23 pm

Swap out Greg Monroe for Drummond and MAYBE you'd have a deal.

Hawks champs · Post #1035 » by **Hawks champs** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:37 am

I really want to weasel kawhi out of San Antonio some how.....
Any ideas?

azuresou1 · Post #1036 » by **azuresou1** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:37 am

Did anyone see Terrence Ross' breakout tonight? Now THAT could be a great trade target.

Post #1037 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:44 am

Hawks champs wrote:I really want to weasel kawhi out of San Antonio some how.....
Any ideas?

Rip2137 · Post #1038 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:51 pm

azuresou1 wrote:Did anyone see Terrence Ross' breakout tonight? Now THAT could be a great trade target.

He was hot from three. That's nothing to get too excited over.

I like for my guards to not average more turnovers than assist.

YouTube · Post #1039 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:36 am

Alright, time for this Suns fan to approach a very delicate topic. Obtaining Horford and Millsap. Ive been tinkering around with some ideas and want to get your guys take on this one.

Okafor/Morris/Morris to Philly, Young/Turner/Len/2 2014 1sts (Pacers and Wizards) to Atlanta, Horford/Millsap to Phoenix.

It allows you guys to start a rebuild with younger guys that have potential but havent quite reached it yet. Young is having a career year, and Turner has been playing some great ball for the past few months. Len did have surgery on both ankles before the season started, but our medical team is the best in the league and we wouldnt have drafted him if it was something major. We have been playing some great ball as well, thus allowing to bring Len around slowly and not rushing him like many other teams tend to do.

a starting 5 of Teague/Korver/Turner/Young/Len and a couple of 2014 1sts sound good?

Hawks champs · Post #1040 » by **Hawks champs** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:03 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Alright, time for this Suns fan to approach a very delicate topic. Obtaining Horford and Millsap. Ive been tinkering around with some ideas and want to get your guys take on this one.

Okafor/Morris/Morris to Philly, Young/Turner/Len/2 2014 1sts (Pacers and Wizards) to Atlanta, Horford/Millsap to Phoenix.

It allows you guys to start a rebuild with younger guys that have potential but havent quite reached it yet. Young is having a career year, and Turner has been playing some great ball for the past few months. Len did have surgery on both ankles before the season started, but our medical team is the best in the league and we wouldnt have drafted him if it was something major. We have been playing some great ball as well, thus allowing to bring Len around slowly and not rushing him like many other teams tend to do.

a starting 5 of Teague/Korver/Turner/Young/Len and a couple of 2014 1sts sound good?

So trade a guy that's about to be an all star and a guy who is an all star for some Philly scrubs, a couple meh draft picks and an unproven rookie? Sounds a bit unbalanced to me