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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1001 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:37 pm

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JGib23 wrote:For the last week, he has been playing at an elite level (bad defense or not). Not many in the NBA putting up the numbers he is.

Other than a rough stretch of about 3-4 games, he's been an elite big man ever since he shook off the initial rust following his ankle sprain. In December, he averaged 17.7 and 11.5 and so far in January, he's up to 20.6/10.8. Wouldn't surprise me if he finished the year with 20/10.

25.5ppg (.558 FG%), 12.7rpg, 3.2apg, 1.2spg, 1.2bpg for the last six games, I might add. If we had put together some wins, he could have earned player of the week honors. Or if he win some of these tough games ahead of us this week and Al continues to play like he did against the Raps. It will be tough to do so against the athletic Clips front-court duo though. A lot of it depends on whether DJ has prepared mentally for the game and won't bite on pump fakes.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1002 » by fatlever » Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:26 pm

MKG must be jefferson's good luck charm.

in the 8 games since MKG has returned from injury, jefferson is averaging:

26.8ppg
11.4rpg
(7 of 8 games over 50%FG)
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1003 » by HornetJail » Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:50 pm

fatlever wrote:MKG must be jefferson's good luck charm.

in the 8 games since MKG has returned from injury, jefferson is averaging:

26.8ppg
11.4rpg
(7 of 8 games over 50%FG)

Jefferson gets burned on defense a lot less often with MKG on the floor. That's obviously a factor.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1004 » by Diop » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:40 am

fatlever wrote:MKG must be jefferson's good luck charm.

in the 8 games since MKG has returned from injury, jefferson is averaging:

26.8ppg
11.4rpg
(7 of 8 games over 50%FG)

they are some insanely good numbers. what a patch
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1005 » by Robot Rock » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:59 am

Zach Lowe is a mental midget for dissing Al like that.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1006 » by fatlever » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:16 pm

jefferson might be on the greatest hammer run that i can ever remember. his last 8 games:

gold, gold, gold, gold, gold, gold, silver, gold

6 straight gold hammers. 7 gold and 1 silver hammer in last 8.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1007 » by Eoghan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:39 pm

Robot Rock wrote:Zach Lowe is a mental midget for dissing Al like that.

Lol, sure.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1008 » by Snidely FC » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:55 pm

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Robot Rock wrote:Zach Lowe is a mental midget for dissing Al like that.

Lol, sure.

To me, Al is like a Magic Act. Please let me explain.
A big chunk of what Al is doing looks great and cures what ails us. But, in a way, Al's presence is a misdirection play by management.
It's hard to quantify and this is just my opinion, but it seemed to me we were on a solid trajectory to a rebuild. Everything management did and said for the last two seasons, they then followed up on, and acted as if we were rebuilding in order to construct a championship team. Then they brought in Al. Gone was the opportunity to draft a transformative player such as Embiid or Parker. Gone was the opportunity to give the young players a lot of burn so that they will be improving and gelling as the new Hornets emerge. Gone was the team first approach to offense and defense that seemed to have the team exceeding the sum of its parts at the beginning of this season, to be replaced by an offense where Al is the only person who can get the ball in the basket and the defense is all about scrambling to cover his deficiencies.
So, a sleight of hand. Which do you prefer? The magic of Al's dipsy do up and under one handed shotput push shot? (Because most people do, and that's okay).Or knowing how the magic works behind the scenes; that all is not as it appears?
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1009 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:38 pm

I'm angry at myself for not realizing earlier that Al's defensive lapses have good comedic value. I will have to try and collect the best (or rather the worst) moments of his during the rest of the 40 games. This has the potential of a funny compilation video.

In related news, there probably will be a mix of his post moves as well.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1010 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:51 pm

"Kevin Durant and Paul Millsap have been named the NBA's Players of the Week in the Western and Eastern Conference, respectively, for games played Jan. 20 through Jan. 26

Millsap averaged 21.3 points and 7.3 rebounds for the Atlanta Hawks."

I know a guy who averaged 25.8 and 12.8. Though to be fair Millsap also averaged 3.8 assists and 2.5 steals.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1011 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:55 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:"Kevin Durant and Paul Millsap have been named the NBA's Players of the Week in the Western and Eastern Conference, respectively, for games played Jan. 20 through Jan. 26

Millsap averaged 21.3 points and 7.3 rebounds for the Atlanta Hawks."

I know a guy who averaged 25.8 and 12.8. Though to be fair Millsap also averaged 3.8 assists and 2.5 steals.

The difference is probably the fact that Atlanta went 3-1 and the Heat were among the teams they beat. Fair enough.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1012 » by Robot Rock » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:08 pm

I'm certainly glad we have Al. He's had some low points this season as all players do, but man. When he's on, he is ON. What a fantastic scoring and rebounding streak he's had over the last week-plus.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1013 » by Eoghan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:21 am

Snidely FC wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:Zach Lowe is a mental midget for dissing Al like that.

Lol, sure.

To me, Al is like a Magic Act. Please let me explain.
A big chunk of what Al is doing looks great and cures what ails us. But, in a way, Al's presence is a misdirection play by management.
It's hard to quantify and this is just my opinion, but it seemed to me we were on a solid trajectory to a rebuild. Everything management did and said for the last two seasons, they then followed up on, and acted as if we were rebuilding in order to construct a championship team. Then they brought in Al. Gone was the opportunity to draft a transformative player such as Embiid or Parker. Gone was the opportunity to give the young players a lot of burn so that they will be improving and gelling as the new Hornets emerge. Gone was the team first approach to offense and defense that seemed to have the team exceeding the sum of its parts at the beginning of this season, to be replaced by an offense where Al is the only person who can get the ball in the basket and the defense is all about scrambling to cover his deficiencies.
So, a sleight of hand. Which do you prefer? The magic of Al's dipsy do up and under one handed shotput push shot? (Because most people do, and that's okay).Or knowing how the magic works behind the scenes; that not all is as it appears?
Zach Lowe knows how the magic works. Zach Lowe is not stupid.

*prints out post, puts on the refrigerator door* :thumbsup:

Robot Rock wrote:I'm certainly glad we have Al. He's had some low points this season as all players do, but man. When he's on, he is ON. What a fantastic scoring and rebounding streak he's had over the last week-plus.

The problem is when he's ON, it doesn't really make the team ON. Normally I wouldn't care so much and just say "Hey, let's just get Al some help" but we've spent the last 2-3 years building this team from scratch and I don't want that to be for naught. I'm highly dubious that you can build a playoff team (a good one) around Al as your best player because generally when your best player is on fire, it should translate into wins.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1014 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:52 pm

Charlotte Bobcats’ Al Jefferson has the numbers of late to be in All-Star discussion

First thing you should know about Charlotte Bobcats center Al Jefferson and All-Star Games:

While he would enjoy participating in the Feb. 16 game in New Orleans, 10 seasons into his NBA career he’s not caught up over validation.

“I don’t worry about All-Star,” Jefferson said Saturday. “It would be nice to know they believe (he’s deserving). But when the best coaches double-team you, that means respect. That means more to me than (an All-Star) game.”

Jefferson stopped fretting about this stuff a long time ago.

“I feel like they’d find another excuse to keep me out of there,” Jefferson joked. “A couple of years ago in Minnesota I averaged 23 (points) and 12 (rebounds). They said it still wasn’t good enough because the team isn’t winning.”

The situation this season is similar. Jefferson is averaging 18.9 points and 10.5 rebounds on a team that is 19-27.

To put that in context, he’s the only player in the Eastern Conference averaging at least 13 points and 10 rebounds. One of only four players in the East averaging a double-double.

The numbers get all the more profound when you look at Jefferson’s past nine games. Duringthat span he has scored at least 20 points and grabbed at least eight rebounds. In one of those games he reached 35 points and eight boards. In another he had 30 points and 16 boards.

But here’s the flip side: The guy has missed nearly a quarter of the Bobcats’ games because of a preseason right ankle sprain. That injury might require offseason surgery and Jefferson just recently started feeling somewhat like his old self.

“I know when I’m healthy I can play at this level,” Jefferson said. “I’m feeling really good, so I’m not surprised.”

Jefferson said he finally can pivot effectively off either ankle and is starting to become more confident in his jumping. With point guard Kemba Walker out at least another week with an ankle sprain, Jefferson has carried this team offensively.

That was the expectation when the Bobcats agreed to pay him $13.5 million a season in July.

“I definitely expected him to be the scorer he’s been over the last eight games,” assistant coach Patrick Ewing said. “He’s an offensive juggernaut. We’ve been on him a little bit to pick up his defense, and he’s been trying.”

Defense always has been a relative flaw. Bobcats coach Steve Clifford watched Jefferson’s final 10 games with the Jazz last season, when Utah still was in the playoff race. He studied what Jefferson could and couldn’t do at the defensive end.

Clifford said Jefferson sizes up defensive situations astutely. He doesn’t always play with as much confidence on defense as he does on offense. Ewing would concur.

“He’s trying,” Ewing said. “Every time he doesn’t do something we talk about doing, one of us is in his ear. So he’s conscious of it.”


The All-Star starters, decided by fan vote, were announced Thursday. In the East they are Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Paul George and Carmelo Anthony. Under the new selection rules, it’s not necessary to designate a center among the front-court starters.

This week each conference’s head coaches will vote in seven All-Star reserves per team. The announcement will be Thursday night.

In the East, particularly with no centers among the starters, Chris Bosh and Roy Hibbert seem locks. There figures to be at least one more point guard (say, John Wall over Kyle Lowry or Jeff Teague) and another wing player (DeMar DeRozan or Lance Stephenson).

That leaves three spots in the East and a lot of players in the discussion. Do you go with Stephenson based on the Indiana Pacers’ gaudy record? Joakim Noah for his smothering defense? Luol Deng for his versatility? Paul Millsap for his consistency? Jefferson for his offensive dominance?

Coaches tend to break ties based on team success, so that can’t help Jefferson’s case.

If Jefferson misses out, he’d be fine if Atlanta Hawks forward Millsap (17.7 points, 8.2 rebounds, 36 percent from 3-point range) got it. They’re kindred souls from when they played together in Salt Lake City.

“If anyone deserves to go ahead of me,” Jefferson said, "it’s him.”

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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1015 » by HornetJail » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:51 pm

Al fully deserves an all-star appearance. It's long overdue.

I don't think Al has been 100% until about 9 or 10 games ago. That's when I noticed he had a little more feet speed, a little more spring in his step, and a lot more confidence. It was also right around the time MKG came back to help him out on defense. In those last nine games Al's averages are 26.0 points, 12.0 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 56% from the field. This is the Al Jefferson I was expecting when we signed him.
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Post#1016 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:22 pm

lol, "doesn't play with enough confidence on defensive end". what the hell does that mean? is it a polite way of saying that he doesn't try?
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Post#1017 » by vorbis » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:39 pm

this guy has been exactly the player i think most people expected him to be when he was signed. i do think there's a little too much kvetching about his flaws, considering his increasingly consistent production. at this point in his career he is what he is and there's little point hoping for some kind of magic transformation into a different type of player.
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Post#1018 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:53 pm

vorbis wrote:this guy has been exactly the player i think most people expected him to be when he was signed. i do think there's a little too much kvetching about his flaws, considering his increasingly consistent production. at this point in his career he is what he is and there's little point hoping for some kind of magic transformation into a different type of player.


Exactly. Put a rim protector in the mold of a Serge Ibaka alongside Al Jefferson and his defensive deficiencies can be masked enough to seriously contend in the playoffs. Jefferson has been playing almost above my expectations over the past month or so now that his ankle injury has healed up & he can pivot off both feet without pain
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Post#1019 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:41 pm

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JEFFERSON HITS STRIDE WITH BOBCATS

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Few NBA observers were wowed last summer when veteran big man Al Jefferson, 10 days after hitting the free-agent market, signed with the Charlotte Bobcats. That whole dance that goes on every year when notable players seek new destinations – “I want to win. I want to get a ring” – was conspicuously absent. The Bobcats were a long way from winning, conventional wisdom said, and everyone knew it. Jefferson included.

So when Charlotte guard Kemba Walker, who shares the same agent (Jeff Schwartz), nudged Jefferson in New York with the idea in the days prior to his team-shopping, “Big Al” scoffed.

“At first I thought it was just a joke,” Jefferson told NBA.com in a phone interview Monday. “I was like, ‘Heh. Yeah, right. Whatever,’ “

Then Schwartz suggested Jefferson make a visit to Charlotte to at least hear the Bobcats out. The rest has been a happy half-season of history for all concerned.

“I met the coaching staff. That was the first impression right there,” Jefferson said of Steve Clifford and his assistants. “That showed me that MJ [team chairman Michael Jordan], Rod [Higgins, Charlotte president of basketball operations] and those guys, they went and got a great coach and staff. That let me know right there they were trying to turn this franchise around.

“Then I looked at the young talent: Jeff Taylor, MKG [Michael Kidd-Gilchrist], Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson. Bis [Bismack Biyombo], a great high-energy big. Brendan Haywood and [Jannero] Pargo, guys who have been around the league and know what it takes to win.

“You add a guy with my talent and the things I’m able to do on offense. And then you look at the East, I really thought that was the best decision for me.”

To the outside world, Jefferson’s decision to leave the Jazz and choose the Bobcats looked like a cash grab. It was pretty nice grab, too: three years, $40.5 million. But for a player entering his 10th NBA season whose teams in Boston, Minnesota and Utah were a combined 160 under .500, with just one playoff appearance (four games) after his rookie year, it seemed like misplaced priorities or a competitive surrender.

Jefferson shrugged off that perception much like he did Walker’s initial suggestion.

“I could care less what the world says about what I was trying to do,” he said. “It wasn’t just about the money. I told Kemba when I first signed, ‘I’m not coming here to lose. I’m not coming here to be the best player on a bad team.’ I was coming here to try to turn this thing around. So far, I feel like everybody’s on the same page.”

No kidding. At 19-27 on the eve of a four-game trip out West that begins at Denver Wednesday, the Bobcats are eight games better than they were at this point a year ago (11-35) and only two victories shy of their 2012-13 season total. If they maintain their current .413 pace the rest of the way, the Bobcats will finish 34-48, an increase of 13 victories.

And based on the East’s mediocrity so far, that would be good enough for a playoff spot. Last season, only Orlando (20-62) finished behind the Bobcats out East.

Individually, Jefferson is averaging 18.9 points and 10.5 rebounds, with nine consecutive games of 20 points or more – most recently, 32 on 15-of-26 shooting against Chicago Saturday – and 19 double-doubles. He missed nine of Charlotte’s first 12 games with a bruised ankle suffered early in the preseason but clearly has caught up and hit his stride. His January numbers: 22.0 ppg, 10.8 rpg and 53.3 percent shooting.

“What we’re seeing now is really the fruits of his labor,” said Clifford, who considers Jefferson a leader and his best player. “Both doing a lot of extra rehab and a lot of extra conditioning, to get his ankle stronger and get into the kind of game shape he needed to be in, in order to do well. Now he’s not just back to where we hoped he could be, but really playing at a level more efficient than we could have hoped for.”

Even on defense, never a Jefferson strength. Clifford is happy with the results overall – defensively the Bobcats rank in the top 10 in points per possession, points in the paint and free throws attempted – and suggests the veteran’s good instincts at that end are being matched more often with greater effort. When he’s on the floor, Charlotte’s defensive rating goes up but its net scoring differential goes down.

Clifford is happy with how Jefferson has fared on defense, which has never been Big Al’s strength. Overall defensively, the Bobcats rank in the top 10 in points per possession, points in the paint and free throws attempted, which suggests the veteran’s good defensive instincts are being matched more often with greater effort. When he’s on the floor, Charlotte’s defensive rating goes up but its net scoring differential goes down.

Jefferson credits the system, along with some extra work with assistant Patrick Ewing. “He feels like my offensive game really don’t need that much work. So he’s trying to get me to be more of a defensive-minded player,” Jefferson said. “Just being more of a helper. I’m the big man. I’m not a shot blocker like some of the great bigs in this league, but I can be over to help a lot earlier, just to get them to see a body and make it more difficult.”

Jefferson has been playing well enough lately that, as the conference coaches make their picks for All-Star reserves, he is worthy of consideration. But he learned a long time ago not to get too hopeful about honor.

“I don’t really get caught up in it no more,” he said. “Because there were some years where I was really disappointed. I remember that one in Phoenix [in 2009], I was so close to buying flights to get my family out there, ‘cuz I knew I had an opportunity that they’d vote me in. But they didn’t. So I made a promise to myself then that I’m not going to worry myself about it.”

Jefferson had 30 double-doubles in his first 50 games with the Timberwolves that season, averaging 23.1 points, 11.0 rebounds and 1.7 blocks. No sooner had he learned he wasn’t selected, though, than his season ended with a blown right ACL in a game at New Orleans.

Said Jefferson: “It’s something every player dreams about, just because it’s recognition, having ‘All Star’ behind you name. If they vote me in, I’ll be very thankful and very happy. But if they don’t vote me in, I’ll be OK too.”
He isn’t nearly as casual about the Bobcats’ quest for success. “

“The Charlotte Bobcats always have been one of the laughingstocks in the league,” Jefferson said. “But where we at right now, two games of tying the victory total from last year, to me, I’m not satisfied with that. The other guys aren’t satisfied with that.”

Sooner rather than later, Jefferson doesn’t want anyone scoffing or smirking at the idea of joining the Bobcats the way he did last summer.

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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1020 » by B_Creamy » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:31 am

Casually looking at some of the Bobcats All-Time best statistical streaks this compares very favorably

Emeka Okafor: 11/08/06 - 11/24/06

21.8 PPG, 13.3 RPG, 3.5 BPG @ 59% TS


Jason Richardson: 12/22/07 - 01/04/08

28.5 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 2.9 APG @ 64% TS


Gerald Wallace: 03/28/07 - 04/08/07

26.8 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 3.6 SPG @ 63% TS


Al Jefferson: 01/14/14 - 01/25/14

26.8 PPG, 12.1 RPG, 2.8 APG @ 59% TS

Just based on that it looks like Jefferson has already put up the 2nd best statistical stretch in Franchise history. Would like to know If I missed any though.

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