Rather build a team around Carmelo Anthony or Steph Curry?

[SmoothLefty21]

Neither is appealing as a top dog. You aren't going very far with either as your best player.

[day1086]

Melo everytime. People forget that Curry has glass knees because of his health this year. It won't last though. He will get injured again soon I'm pretty sure. Melo has shown he can dtay healthy.

Cant believe I forgot about his glass knees




Curry is one of very few players in the league with the ability to single handedly take over and win a playoff series. Saw it last year and even saw it at davidson. Dude loves the big stage

[DarkXaero]

Is this thread serious? I don't see how anyone in their right mind would pick Melo over Curry.

[mojay641]

yeah melo is such a offense stopper. thats why he anchored the #3 offense in the league at his peak while curry can't even get his team to be barely above league average.

[Doctor MJ]

yeah melo is such a offense stopper. thats why he anchored the #3 offense in the league at his peak while curry can't even get his team to be barely above league average.

They went to #1 after Melo left for the reasons I and others have specified. Meanwhile GS right now does fantastic whenever Curry is on the floor.

I suppose there's an argument for you: You don't want to build around Curry because his abilities are so singular that the team simply can't continue to hang together whenever he goes to the bench. The great thing about Melo is that you'll really never have to worry about that.

[mojay641]

funny. because melo's impact in 2013 was more "singular" than any curry season. #3 offense in the league with a bunch of role-players. that same team was, what, 7-9 without him? there's that argument destroyed.

and the nugs "improvement' had nothing to do with melo. that argument has already been shot down. repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. nice try though.

[AdonisDeMarion]

Curry, with shooters and defenders and a big that can run the floor

[Doctor MJ]

the nugs improvement had nothing to do with melo leaving. that argument has been shot down over and over and over again. you people are so foolish. repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true.

Bottom line: What sense does it make to argue for one guy over another based on his team's offense, if that offense can roughly continue without him?

Answer, in case it's not clear: It makes no sense. And if you think you've been involved in shooting down people on this argument, let me simply suggest that the arguments that agree with you opinion don't sway anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

[mojay641]

Answer, in case it's not clear: It makes no sense. And if you think you've been involved in shooting down people on this argument, let me simply suggest that the arguments that agree with you opinion don't sway anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

boy you're a condescending one, ain't ya?

let me make something clear: anyone unbiased person who read the arguments from the melo detractors concerning the nugs improvement would quickly come to the conclusion that their 'arguments' against Anthony are a bunch of baloney. only a fool would believe that garbage. is that clear enough for you? good.

[Doctor MJ]

Answer, in case it's not clear: It makes no sense. And if you think you've been involved in shooting down people on this argument, let me simply suggest that the arguments that agree with you opinion don't sway anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

boy you're a condescending one, ain't ya?

let me make something clear: anyone unbiased person who read the arguments from the melo detractors concerning the nugs improvement would quickly come to the conclusion that their 'arguments' against Anthony are a bunch of baloney. only a fool would believe that garbage. is that clear enough for you? good.

Which one of us is calling the other names? (Which incidentally, you should really stop doing if you want to stay on RealGM)

[GswStorm3]

I'm certainly not taking a blackhole over Curry.

[Son of Ra]

Wow, openng the thread I thought that literally no one but SOME Knicks homers would take Melo over Curry. I am genuinely surprised/shocked.

[Okada]

Can't believe anyone is picking Melo lol.

[MisterWestside]

In Melo's valid defense - and I'm far from a Melo aficionado - the New York Knicks team environment is a toxic one. They lack floor spacing, and players who filled that role decently well in '13 are either retired (Kidd) or playing elsewhere (Novak and the underrated Copeland). Outside of Chandler, who himself is having a down season, everyone else has been outstandingly subpar. And I include Woodson here, whose 4th quarter gaffe vs. the Wizards at MSG still takes the cake for top blunders of the season. But hey, they finally acquired some talent, right? Does Bargnani count as second-banana talent? LeBron James should be glad that he didn't migrate there from Cleveland. He'd probably still be hunting for his 1st ring.

Meh. If this was '13 Curry, I'd pick him to start a franchise all day. But while I generally like Curry more than Melo, I can entertain those who side with Melo.

[magicmerl]

You won't be a championship contender with either player as the clear best player on your team (a point which would also be extended to Chris Paul).

So my assumption is that I'd have a couple of other high quality players as well. And I would definitely rather have Curry on my team because I think he would be a more complementary fit with those other stars than Melo would.

Plus, Carmelo is an elite scorer, but Curry is just better at it than he is. This year, curry has a lower USG%, better ORtg, DRtg, TS%, efg%. He's scoring more per minute while shooting less.

[Woodwarrior419]

Melo all day. He can score any way possible. Who is the best player that Melo has ever played with? IMO he's never had much help, and is forced to put the entire team on his shoulders. Melo is the more complete player.

Bulls had Jordan had pippen
Miami has Lebron had Bosh and Wade
Spurs had/have Duncan had Robinson, Ginobili, and Parker
Lakers had Kobe had Shaq
Celtics had Pierce, garnett, allen

I don't think Melo has ever had the right pieces around him to be a legitimate winner. I would totally rather have Melo over Curry, just because I know Melo can do everything.

Curry is a hell of a shooter, no disrespect

[E-Balla]

You won't be a championship contender with either player as the clear best player on your team (a point which would also be extended to Chris Paul).

So my assumption is that I'd have a couple of other high quality players as well. And I would definitely rather have Curry on my team because I think he would be a more complementary fit with those other stars than Melo would.

Plus, Carmelo is an elite scorer, but Curry is just better at it than he is. This year, curry has a lower USG%, better ORtg, DRtg, TS%, efg%. He's scoring more per minute while shooting less.

A few points about this post:


That scoring crap is wrong. Melo is scoring 24.8 points per 36 and Curry is scoring 22.6. Melo also plays on a slower paced team and he plays 39 minutes a game (fatigue is real).

DRTG is a team number that means ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Statistically (note: this study was done in 08) for every 1% increase in usage percentage, efficiency is expected to drop 1.25 ppp. That means Melo's 31.7 USG% in 39.2 minutes along with a 112.4 ORTG is more impressive than Curry's 112.9 ORTG along with a 28.2 USG% since Curry's expected ORTG at Melo's usage would be 108.5.

Also here's some fun numbers for anyone saying that might not hold up. Last year Curry had a 115.1 ORTG on 26.34 USG. Use that 1% increase = 1.25 decrease to calculate his expected efficiency at 28.24 USG (what it is this season) and you get an expected 112.7 ORTG (his actual is 112.9). Not saying its perfect or right but it shows how impressive Melo's efficiency is this season.

To answer the thread I'd take Curry. It's age and contract vs health and (barely) being better. I'd like the extra years with Curry to try different kinds of teams.

[magicmerl]

A few points about this post: That scoring crap is wrong.

Whoops, I transposed their PP36, sorry. Carmelo does score more points per minute than Curry. Which is in line with his higher USG%.

To answer the thread I'd take Curry. It's age and contract vs health and (barely) being better. I'd like the extra years with Curry to try different kinds of teams.

Except that OP specified that they had the same contract. Of course Curry is on an awesome contract and Melo has an albatross. If they both made 16mil per year, which would you rather have?

[E-Balla]

To answer the thread I'd take Curry. It's age and contract vs health and (barely) being better. I'd like the extra years with Curry to try different kinds of teams.

Except that OP specified that they had the same contract. Of course Curry is on an awesome contract and Melo has an albatross. If they both made 16mil per year, which would you rather have?

I'd take Curry just because Lebron is too good and by the time Lebron starts declining Melo will be declining too. Youth is always the better choice IMO especially when Curry's glass ankles have held up for awhile.

[penbeast0]

As someone who doesn't live in NY and presumably won't live in NY or LA . . . Carmelo is going to whine his way out of town at the earliest opportunity so for that reason alone it's Curry. I do like Curry's game a little better too and think the age and injury issues cancel out of measure slightly in Curry's favor though it's iffy.