New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone

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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#201 » by mysticbb » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:55 pm

Grandpa Waiters wrote:"So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the Pope, sexual orientation, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. Seen that."


Unless the question is "how does it smell?", it is rather irrelevant to be at the Sistine Chapel. And even then, you might have been on drugs during your visit and your olfactory system wasn't working well. But in that case of a player comparison the "smell" of the player isn't the question at hand, but rather how good he played the game of basketball. To see that it is enough to watch games later via TV or computer screen, because the playing level will not change whether you were actually in the arena or not. And given my experience, I see more from the game when I actually watch it later on the screen than during my arena visit. Also, my video tool allows me to slow down the sequences or let me replay it as much as I like; my live experience doesn't do that.
So, what exactly is the advantage of "standing in the Sistine Chapel" when the question is actually "How big is the Sistine Chapel?" Will the height or width change based on my personal experience?

FYI: I was in the Sistine Chapel and to be quite honest: I can't remember how it smelled, but I assume it smelled like in most of the old churches and chapels I visited in the past and will likely visit in the future. And the fun fact, most people will not be able to remember that correctly, but they actually believe they can.

Grandpa Waiters wrote:I've been all over the world (Paris, London, Spain, Vietnam etc) and believe me, memorizing stats about a country vs seeing it with your own two eyes is not the same thing.


No, it isn't, but that is also trivial. Just that being in a specific country doesn't give me an exact answer for how many people are living there, how the climate is in average or how the average income is. Looking up the stats on those topics are answering me that question. The same goes for basketball players. How aesthetical pleasing a player is doesn't really tell me how big of an impact he actually really made. Watching a player play, gives me a good idea about the skillset he possess and how he uses those skills within the context of a 5on5 game; how much difference that makes to the game result is actually better determined by using stats. If I have no idea, how the stats are generated, I obviously missing out on something, which can be crucial especially in cases where such stats like detailed +/- data isn't available.

Grandpa Waiters wrote:I'm not sure if you witnessed Moses in his prime


Given the fact that I actually described how he played differently than Garnett, we may assume that I saw games where he was playing. And yes, I saw games with Moses Malone in his prime, but not even one live; mostly those games where he was at his best (a typical bias given the fact that worse performances usually are not something seen in "Classic Games" or basketball fans are uploading on Youtube (and yeah, there are full games uploaded as well).
I extensively watched games in 2011 before and during the RPOY project, because I didn't want to make a fool out of myself by proclaiming that players played differently. That's how I am; first get the best possible set of information, then form an opinion and then go write up stuff on an internet forum.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#202 » by Grandpa Waiters » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:00 pm

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Grandpa Waiters wrote:"So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every art book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations, him and the Pope, sexual orientation, the whole works, right? But I'll bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. Seen that."


Unless the question is "how does it smell?", it is rather irrelevant to be at the Sistine Chapel. And even then, you might have been on drugs during your visit and your olfactory system wasn't working well. But in that case of a player comparison the "smell" of the player isn't the question at hand, but rather how good he played the game of basketball. To see that it is enough to watch games later via TV or computer screen, because the playing level will not change whether you were actually in the arena or not. And given my experience, I see more from the game when I actually watch it later on the screen than during my arena visit. Also, my video tool allows me to slow down the sequences or let me replay it as much as I like; my live experience doesn't do that.
So, what exactly is the advantage of "standing in the Sistine Chapel" when the question is actually "How big is the Sistine Chapel?" Will the height or width change based on my personal experience?

FYI: I was in the Sistine Chapel and to be quite honest: I can't remember how it smelled, but I assume it smelled like in most of the old churches and chapels I visited in the past and will likely visit in the future. And the fun fact, most people will not be able to remember that correctly, but they actually believe they can.

Grandpa Waiters wrote:I've been all over the world (Paris, London, Spain, Vietnam etc) and believe me, memorizing stats about a country vs seeing it with your own two eyes is not the same thing.


No, it isn't, but that is also trivial. Just that being in a specific country doesn't give me an exact answer for how many people are living there, how the climate is in average or how the average income is. Looking up the stats on those topics are answering me that question. The same goes for basketball players. How aesthetical pleasing a player is doesn't really tell me how big of an impact he actually really made. Watching a player play, gives me a good idea about the skillset he possess and how he uses those skills within the context of a 5on5 game; how much difference that makes to the game result is actually better determined by using stats. If I have no idea, how the stats are generated, I obviously missing out on something, which can be crucial especially in cases where such stats like detailed +/- data isn't available.

Grandpa Waiters wrote:I'm not sure if you witnessed Moses in his prime


Given the fact that I actually described how he played differently than Garnett, we may assume that I saw games where he was playing. And yes, I saw games with Moses Malone in his prime, but not even one live; mostly those games where he was at his best (a typical bias given the fact that worse performances usually are not something seen in "Classic Games" or basketball fans are uploading on Youtube (and yeah, there are full games uploaded as well).
I extensively watched games in 2011 before and during the RPOY project, because I didn't want to make a fool out of myself by proclaiming that players played differently. That's how I am; first get the best possible set of information, then form an opinion and then go write up stuff on an internet forum.



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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#203 » by mysticbb » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Sure. ;)
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#204 » by bastillon » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:57 pm

I am not going to respond to the posts from the last ~7 pages or so because they are - to me - a complete waste of my time. you guys need to understand that what you have said, not only had been said in the past, but also it has already been debunked. check out my posts from the beginning of this thread. I quoted tons of posts from various threads on realGM and they are responding to the point you have made. that's why to me you are wasting time with this discussion. it has been beaten to death how boxscore can be deceiving and why that is the case with Moses. there is nothing to discuss until you respond to the posts I quoted. bringing up PPG/RPG/MVP is not enough for a legitimate debate. we all know about those facts. we're not questioning nor denying whether Malone grabbed rebounds, scored points or whether he was given an MVP trophy. we're questioning his impact based on other concerns, to which you have not replied.

but the point that I'd like to make is this. why are Moses teams so mediocre in team rebounding? why is their team rebounding DRB% mediocre even with Charles Barkley playing next to Moses? this is something that came up during top100 Project, I believe it was Dr Mufasa who brought it up, and Moses supporters never even tried to answer that point. grabbing a lot of rebounds doesn't necessarily mean you are great rebounder in terms of impact. Nene was grabbing about 7 rebounds a game but his impact was great and has been proven time and time again. on the other hand there are guys like Jerry Lucas (grabbed 20 rpg in the 60s, most of them defensive rebounds) who are just inhaling rebounds like mad, but made little to no impact since they would still get beat up inside. with Moses, there are concerns to me, how his rebounding numbers, translated into team impact. I only made this point because I feel it hasn't been highlighted enough but it is a legitimate red flag nonetheless.

but the points from the posts I quoted are what you really need to reply to if you wanna be defending Moses.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#205 » by Brenice » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:14 pm

I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

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If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#206 » by MacGill » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:18 pm

Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?


The whole team dynamic changes :-? Replacing either players means you may have in fact made other moves to better compliment. Who knows how well they would actually play because it never happened. I don't see what this is suppose to prove?
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#207 » by Bar Fight » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:23 pm

Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?

Well you'll be waiting a while. That's not something you can measure, thus it's completely pointless to discuss. It seems like mysticbb is the only one in the last few pages that's actually backing up their claims with tangible evidence.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#208 » by rrravenred » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:30 pm

Interesting to look at that.

1983 Lakers were 13th in the league by DRtg during the RS and in the bottom half of the playoffs teams.

Interestingly, the Lakers and Sixers were almost dead even in ORtg (108.0 to 108.1 the Lakers way) but had a big 6 point gap in DRtg.

Now Kareem had an excellent playoffs offensively against (as has been noted) an excellent one-on-one defender in Moses but got seriously spanked on the boards by his opponent. Does KG get the same monstering? Doubt it, personally. KG not being as competent a scorer absolutely needs to be taken into account, but worth considering if limiting the Sixers second chance points (almost 7 ORbs a game for Moses) could change the dynamic of the series...
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#209 » by Brenice » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:19 am

Bar Fight wrote:
Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?

Well you'll be waiting a while. That's not something you can measure, thus it's completely pointless to discuss. It seems like mysticbb is the only one in the last few pages that's actually backing up their claims with tangible evidence.


Just because you measure these stats don't make it accurate. There are too many variables. People want to play up KG's rebounding. Are you factoring in lane congestion compared to different eras? The different level of allowed physical play. How about the lack of big men. What is measured is not equal from quarter to quarter, game to game, possession to possession.

People want to calculate formulas but leave out common sense. You'd better balance the book smarts with the street smarts and add in some common sense.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#210 » by drza » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:43 am

Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?


Wait...your scenario is for KG to replace one of the best players of all-time, while Moses gets to replace a player that didn't even play?

So what you're asking is, would a KG for Kareem swap make as big of a positive impact on the '83 Lakers as just ADDING Moses to the '08 Lakers?

And you think this is a reasonable hypothetical?
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#211 » by acrossthecourt » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:43 am

rrravenred wrote:Interesting to look at that.

1983 Lakers were 13th in the league by DRtg during the RS and in the bottom half of the playoffs teams.

Interestingly, the Lakers and Sixers were almost dead even in ORtg (108.0 to 108.1 the Lakers way) but had a big 6 point gap in DRtg.

Now Kareem had an excellent playoffs offensively against (as has been noted) an excellent one-on-one defender in Moses but got seriously spanked on the boards by his opponent. Does KG get the same monstering? Doubt it, personally. KG not being as competent a scorer absolutely needs to be taken into account, but worth considering if limiting the Sixers second chance points (almost 7 ORbs a game for Moses) could change the dynamic of the series...

Kareem was a weak rebounder at that point in his career. TRB% under 13, DRB% under 20. Those are poor rates for a center. Garnett is still posting elite DRB% rates even in his late 30's. I really don't think Garnett would be killed on the boards. Plus, they don't even play the same position....


I'm always open for argumentation and being swayed to another side. I just need some compelling evidence for Moses. Some indication he had a Shaq-like impact on the court, warping defensive attention. I haven't seen any of that yet. Awards are flawed -- I don't believe Rose is better than Wade, for example -- and box score stats can be misleading. Show me that Moses carried teams like a historic player.

And being condescending to people who didn't watch him live will make me want to trust your arguments even less.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#212 » by G35 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:40 am

mysticbb wrote:No, I would say he has a career high in DRB%, which is exactly what the data tells you.


Yes, that's what the data tells everyone, but you intimated that having a higher percentage automatically means better. Which if true means that Moses is clearly better or KG is having his best rebounding year ever. Everything else you said was just your opinion. KG may be better at transition defense but Moses is clearly better on the interior.

mysticbb wrote:Garnett was quicker on his feet, had better lift, the longer arms and therefore overall better length as well as better hands. Moses Malone has the strength on his side, but not by that much given Garnett lower body strength, which is more important for the task at hand.



This is just wrong period. Out of all the big men I think KG has the WEAKEST lower body strength. He is skinny as hell and didn't get more bulk until the latter half of his career. You really can't logically think that KG has all this lower body strength and he can run all around the court while avoiding the paint. KG can't bang with Karl, Barkley, Moses, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, and Dirk. How is he having all this power in his legs and he's 7ft 220lbs? He was born to play for Boston cuz he's a bean pole.

I will give you that KG is athletically gifted for someone so tall and that would be great if we were comparing him to someone like Roy Hibbert, Bynum, or someone not as gifted. But Moses would push KG all around the court.

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Did Moses Malone ever won a DPOY?

Does Moses Malone have 12 All-Defense team selections?

Did Moses Malone ever won the All-Star game MVP award?

I hope you see that we can find multiple arbitrary things for each player the other didn't accomplish.


1 MVP equals all those awards. 2 MVP's puts Moses ahead. 3 straight MVP's? It's a completer annihilation. KG How many players in the history of the game won 3 MVP's....I'll wait.....no I'll tell you Jordan, Bird, Kareem, Bill, Magic, Lebron, and Wilt. Those defensive team selections? NIce but they weren't all first team so less impressive. 1 DPOY? Ron Artest has one of those, so does Tyson Chandler, Marcus Camby, and Marc Gasol. For all of KG's defensive prowess that get's thrown around here he only has one DPOY...eight other players have multiple DPOY's and they don't nearly the amount of rhetoric that KG get's. You could put Mutumbo and Ben Wallace together and there would be posters here still arguing that KG has greater impact on defense.....
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#213 » by Grandpa Waiters » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:50 am

G35 wrote:
mysticbb wrote:No, I would say he has a career high in DRB%, which is exactly what the data tells you.


Yes, that's what the data tells everyone, but you intimated that having a higher percentage automatically means better. Which if true means that Moses is clearly better or KG is having his best rebounding year ever. Everything else you said was just your opinion. KG may be better at transition defense but Moses is clearly better on the interior.

mysticbb wrote:Garnett was quicker on his feet, had better lift, the longer arms and therefore overall better length as well as better hands. Moses Malone has the strength on his side, but not by that much given Garnett lower body strength, which is more important for the task at hand.



This is just wrong period. Out of all the big men I think KG has the WEAKEST lower body strength. He is skinny as hell and didn't get more bulk until the latter half of his career. You really can't logically think that KG has all this lower body strength and he can run all around the court while avoiding the paint. KG can't bang with Karl, Barkley, Moses, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, and Dirk. How is he having all this power in his legs and he's 7ft 220lbs? He was born to play for Boston cuz he's a bean pole.

I will give you that KG is athletically gifted for someone so tall and that would be great if we were comparing him to someone like Roy Hibbert, Bynum, or someone not as gifted. But Moses would push KG all around the court.

mysticbb wrote:
Did Moses Malone ever won a DPOY?

Does Moses Malone have 12 All-Defense team selections?

Did Moses Malone ever won the All-Star game MVP award?

I hope you see that we can find multiple arbitrary things for each player the other didn't accomplish.


1 MVP equals all those awards. 2 MVP's puts Moses ahead. 3 straight MVP's? It's a completer annihilation. KG How many players in the history of the game won 3 MVP's....I'll wait.....no I'll tell you Jordan, Bird, Kareem, Bill, Magic, Lebron, and Wilt. Those defensive team selections? NIce but they weren't all first team so less impressive. 1 DPOY? Ron Artest has one of those, so does Tyson Chandler, Marcus Camby, and Marc Gasol. For all of KG's defensive prowess that get's thrown around here he only has one DPOY...eight other players have multiple DPOY's and they don't nearly the amount of rhetoric that KG get's. You could put Mutumbo and Ben Wallace together and there would be posters here still arguing that KG has greater impact on defense.....


Also, one question nobody ever talks about when comparing the two players needs to be asked. Who was more inarticulate? Moses with his epic 'Fo 'Fo 'Fo quote prior to the '83 playoffs or Garnett's indecipherable "Anything is possible" rant after the '08 Finals....
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#214 » by john248 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:53 am

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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#215 » by G35 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:14 am

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rrravenred wrote:Interesting to look at that.

1983 Lakers were 13th in the league by DRtg during the RS and in the bottom half of the playoffs teams.

Interestingly, the Lakers and Sixers were almost dead even in ORtg (108.0 to 108.1 the Lakers way) but had a big 6 point gap in DRtg.

Now Kareem had an excellent playoffs offensively against (as has been noted) an excellent one-on-one defender in Moses but got seriously spanked on the boards by his opponent. Does KG get the same monstering? Doubt it, personally. KG not being as competent a scorer absolutely needs to be taken into account, but worth considering if limiting the Sixers second chance points (almost 7 ORbs a game for Moses) could change the dynamic of the series...

Kareem was a weak rebounder at that point in his career. TRB% under 13, DRB% under 20. Those are poor rates for a center. Garnett is still posting elite DRB% rates even in his late 30's. I really don't think Garnett would be killed on the boards. Plus, they don't even play the same position....


I'm always open for argumentation and being swayed to another side. I just need some compelling evidence for Moses. Some indication he had a Shaq-like impact on the court, warping defensive attention. I haven't seen any of that yet. Awards are flawed -- I don't believe Rose is better than Wade, for example -- and box score stats can be misleading. Show me that Moses carried teams like a historic player.

And being condescending to people who didn't watch him live will make me want to trust your arguments even less.


KG is also posting:

6.9 ppg

6.8 reb

.421 FG%

PER of 12.9

TS% of .453

This is KG at 37 years old

Now if you believe everything that you hear about KG's defense you would think KG's lack of offensive firepower was ALWAYS balanced out by his DPOY defense EVERY YEAR/EVERY GAME.

But what happened to KG in the 2010 finals against another great PF, how did KG perform against Pau Gasol someone he owned just 2 years earlier. If you believe the narrative about KG's impact and defense there would be no way that a player like Pau would be able to dominate KG....BUT HE DID.

Pau: 18.6ppg, 11.6 reb, 3.7 ast, 2.6 blk, 122 ORtg, 101 DRtg, .556 TS%,
KG: 15.3ppg, 5.6 reb, 3.0 ast, 1.3 blk, 110 ORtg, 103 DRtg, .555 TS%

Pau dominated KG in every facet of the game....including on defense. He won on the offensive end and the defensive end. I know...I know...unbelievable since KG is such a beast on defense even this year!

An interesting factoid about that series and offensive rebounding:
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... daily-dime

The Lakers are repeat NBA champions because they outrebounded the Celtics 53-40 in Game 7 of the Finals. The combination of poor shooting and great boards-crashing gave Los Angeles a total of 23 offensive rebounds, the most by any team in a Finals game since the Bulls had 24 against the SuperSonics in winning the 1996 Finals in Game 6.

Pau Gasol collected nine offensive rebounds in Game 7, lifting his total to 35 during the series against Boston. That's the third-highest total of offensive rebounds in a Finals series since the NBA began recording offensive rebounds in the 1973-74 season; Moses Malone had 46 in six games in 1981 and Dennis Rodman had 41 in six games in 1996.



So you think that Moses couldn't tax KG when Pau broke KG in that series.......
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#216 » by Okada » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:15 am

Yes, Waiters, like you mentioned. I strongly believe that one of the major factors that works against Moses and his memory is his personality. He is arguably the worst interview in the history of modern basketball. I love the guy, but he couldn't talk, and he couldn't deal with reporters whatsoever. That killed his impact in terms of what writers wrote about him. Let's be frank - Moses was dumb and could barely speak English. I don't want to be mean, but it was the truth. He was extremely inarticulate. I believe that hurt his standing historically. Writers were hesitant to work with him, and he surely couldn't work with them. Nicest guy on the planet, but he was the antithesis to positive major sports articles.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#217 » by Okada » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:18 am

Oh, I feel compelled to throw a random transcendent statistic out for Moses.

Did you know that in '79, he grabbed 38.4% of his teams total rebounds? That is a higher percentage of team rebounds than Wilt or even Russell ever grabbed.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#218 » by Grandpa Waiters » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:26 am

Okada wrote:Yes, Waiters, like you mentioned. I strongly believe that one of the major factors that works against Moses and his memory is his personality. He is arguably the worst interview in the history of modern basketball. I love the guy, but he couldn't talk, and he couldn't deal with reporters whatsoever. That killed his impact in terms of what writers wrote about him. Let's be frank - Moses was dumb and could barely speak English. I don't want to be mean, but it was the truth. He was extremely inarticulate. I believe that hurt his standing historically. Writers were hesitant to work with him, and he surely couldn't work with them. Nicest guy on the planet, but he was the antithesis to positive major sports articles.


True, but how do you explain someone like Garnett? He's not exactly Noam Chomsky or William F. Buckley when it comes to communication. However, he seems to get a free pass from the media in terms of how he's portrayed.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#219 » by Brenice » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:49 am

drza wrote:
Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?


Wait...your scenario is for KG to replace one of the best players of all-time, while Moses gets to replace a player that didn't even play?

So what you're asking is, would a KG for Kareem swap make as big of a positive impact on the '83 Lakers as just ADDING Moses to the '08 Lakers?

And you think this is a reasonable hypothetical?


I said replace Kareem with ANY VERSION of KG. Kareem was what, 36 at the time? He was not playing on a GOAT level at that time.
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Re: New Franchise: Kevin Garnett vs Moses Malone 

Post#220 » by Brenice » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:00 pm

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Brenice wrote:I want to know if you replace Kareem with any version of KG does KG lead the Lakers past Moses and Philly for the championship in 83?

And

If you replace Bynum with Moses in 08 can Moses lead the Lakers past KG and the Celtics?


The whole team dynamic changes :-? Replacing either players means you may have in fact made other moves to better compliment. Who knows how well they would actually play because it never happened. I don't see what this is suppose to prove?


This whole comparison where you match people up by stats to determine who is better is useless because they never matched up. A lot of people felt Mike Tyson would beat Holyfield...until they fought.

So since you avoided my question by making excuses, I'll take it that you are reluctant to answer the question because of lack of confidence in the matchup posed in the question.

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