Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

kej718 · Post #4521 » by **kej718** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:48 am

Emeka Okafor and a pick for Andrea Bargnani, and Beno Udrih

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ly8eu6s

Knicks get a pick and clear some cap space for the future Suns get a former #1 pick and a trade asset in the Future 8-)

sol537 · Post #4522 » by **sol537** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:24 am

NY Trades: Chandler, Shumpert, JR, Felton, Cash
NY Receives: Lowry, Okafor, Green, Tucker, two future 1sts (from Phx)

PHX Trades: Okafor, Green, Tucker, two future 1sts, one future 2nd
PHX Receives: Chandler, JR, Cash

Tor Trades: Lowry
Tor Receives: Felton, Shumpert, future 2nd (from Phx)

We re-sign Lowry to reasonable deal and have a Lowry/Hardaway Jr. back court pairing with Melo at the "4". Then use the draft picks and remaining cap to fill out the SF and C positions, but Tucker could be a nice role-player at SF for the time being. It's time to build a team around Melo and Lowry/THjr/Tucker would be great next to him. Martin/Cole/Tyler could moonlight at C for the time being.

spikeslovechild · Post #4523 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:05 am

Rasho Brezec wrote:And anything we have is nowhere near his level.

Rondo is overrated. We need a PG but I'd rather trade for Lowry for a fraction of the cost.

spikeslovechild · Post #4524 » by **spikeslovechild** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:12 am

sol537 wrote:NY Trades: Chandler, Shumpert, JR, Felton, Cash
NY Receives: Lowry, Okafor, Green, Tucker, two future 1sts (from Phx)

PHX Trades: Okafor, Green, Tucker, two future 1sts, one future 2nd
PHX Receives: Chandler, JR, Cash

Tor Trades: Lowry
Tor Receives: Felton, Shumpert, future 2nd (from Phx)

We re-sign Lowry to reasonable deal and have a Lowry/Hardaway Jr. back court pairing with Melo at the "4". Then use the draft picks and remaining cap to fill out the SF and C positions, but Tucker could be a nice role-player at SF for the time being. It's time to build a team around Melo and Lowry/THjr/Tucker would be great next to him. Martin/Cole/Tyler could moonlight at C for the time being.

PHX never does that deal in a million years. I like that Lowry deal not sure TOR does though.

I'd try that offer and see if their GM bites (Masai??), if not my BO would be JR Smith + Shumpert + 2018 protected first.

Marty McFly · Post #4525 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:32 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q2hxoa5

eats into the lakers cap next year, so if the lakers want melo, they'll need to trade for him.... :evil:

Meat · Post #4526 » by **Meat** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:21 am

Marty McFly wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q2hxoa5

eats into the lakers cap next year, so if the lakers want melo, they'll need to trade for him....

knicks arent smart enough to make that deal

BossHoggin · Post #4527 » by **BossHoggin** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:48 am

DowNY wrote:Knicks:
IN - Rajon Rondo, Dion Waiters, Earl Clark & Gerald Wallace
OUT - Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Beno Udrih, Andrea Bargnani, Tyson Chandler & 2018 1st round pick
(Knicks obtain Rondo, gains a 2nd scorer in Waiters, plugs Wallace into the 3 while Melo is at the 4.)

Celtics:
IN - Tyreke Evans, Iman Shumpert, Tristan Thompson, Alonzo Gee, Sergey Karasey, Andrea Bargnani, & 2016 1st rd pick via Pelicans (top-10 protected)
OUT - Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green & Gerald Wallace
(Celtics save a ton of money & gains a lot of prospects for the future. Evans is locked into a 4 year deal. Shumpert & Thompson both still have some untapped potential at SG/SF & PF. Bargs expires after next season. Acquires another 1st round pick.)

Cavs:
IN - Raymond Felton, Eric Gordon, Cole Aldrich & Jeff Green
OUT - Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson, Alonzo Gee, CJ Miles, Earl Clark, Sergey Karasev & Anthony Bennett
(Cavs upgrade their SG position with Eric Gordon to pair with Kyrie Irving. Jeff Green is an upgrade over Thompson at the 4 also. Felton becomes backup PG, letting Jack slide to the backup 2 spot.)

Pelicans:
IN - Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Anthony Bennett, CJ Miles, Beno Udrih & 2018 1st round pick (NYK)
OUT - Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans & top 10 protected 2016 1st
(Pelicans turn 2 pieces that doesn't really fit into 5 pieces that really do fit. Still saves a lot of money in the deal too.
Trades a 1st in 2016, but it's protected if the team is really bad still. Also acquires a future 1st.
Tyson Chandler played with Anthony Davis during the Olympics. Should help his development by a lot.)

Cavs don't touch this.

FemaleDogPlease · Post #4528 » by **FemaleDogPlease** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:12 am

Knicks were a good team last year. What the Knicks seem to be missing are guys who know there role. When you got guys taking shots at the coach and star player through the media then there is a lack of respect. The situation screams, too many personalities in the locker room.

Cleveland : Tyson Chandler & Iman Shumpert
New York : Anderson Varejao & Dion Waiters

Phoenix : JR Smith & Udrih & World Peace & Aldrich
New York : Gerald Green & Channing Frye

Nyk4lyfe · Post #4529 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:12 am

If we can somehow shed JR and Felton, i'm happy. No major trades are happening anytime soon for the Knicks,

Ridnour + Neal for Udrih + JR + Felton + Future 2nd

Get rid of 2 players that go past 2015 summer. Get rid of player who doesn't want to be here.

Get back serviceable backup point guard for this year and both the players we get back are expiring either this summer (Ridnour) or next (Neal). Neals been pretty bad but he doesn't even have to play, sit his ass.

Mars_Blackmon · Post #4530 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:21 am

Felton and the 2018 1st for Brandon Knight

Marty McFly · Post #4531 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:21 am

Meat wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q2hxoa5

eats into the lakers cap next year, so if the lakers want melo, they'll need to trade for him....

knicks arent smart enough to make that deal

yeah. it's nice to dream though.

Nyk4lyfe · Post #4532 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:06 am

I think we should find a package in which we can ship out JR Smith and Feltons bad contracts and as an incentive, give up Shumpert.

I would want a decent player back that could be serviceable but would expire before summer of 2015. And of course salaries would have to work to around 10 or 11 mil in the trade (examples: Thad Young, Jack + Bennett, Andre Miller + Mozgov, DeAndre Jordan, Jameer Nelson, Dragic, Thornton + Fredette, Amir Johnson + Landry Fields,

That way we could have only 3 players on the books going into the 2015 free agency:

Melo = $24 mil (it might be less if we give him less than the max but lets just use this number to be conservative)
Tim Hardaway Jr = $1.3 mil (team option)
Rookie from 2015 Draft = ~1 mil

Assuming cap is $62mil and we have 9 cap holds each at $473,604 (4.3 mil altogether), that would leave us with:

62 mil - 24mil - 1.3mil - 1 mil - 4.3 mil = about 32 mil to play with. This number wouldn't be enough to get two max cats. Unless Melo takes a bit of a paycut, it would be enough for one max-star and one borderline allstar.

If Melo took a bit of a paycut this summer:

PG: Rondo
SG: Hardaway Jr.
SF: Melo
PF: Love
C: 2015 1st Round Pick
Bench: MLE, LLE, 2nd rounders, Vet Mins 4 Ringchasers (basically the Miami path lmao)

DowNY · Post #4533 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:45 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o7gmkzy

Knicks:
IN - Rajon Rondo, Eric Gordon, Gerald Wallace & G. Steimsma
OUT - Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Andrea Bargnani, Beno Udrih & 2018 1st rd pick

Celtics:
IN - Tyreke Evans, Iman Shumpert, Andrea Bargnani & 2018 1st round pick
OUT - Rajon Rondo, Brandon Bass & Gerald Wallace

Pelicans:
IN - Tyson Chandler, Brandon Bass, JR Smith & Beno Udrih
OUT - Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon & G. Steimsma

SuperflyKnick · Post #4534 » by **SuperflyKnick** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:46 pm

Nyk4lyfe wrote:I think we should find a package in which we can ship out JR Smith and Feltons bad contracts and as an incentive, give up Shumpert.

I would want a decent player back that could be serviceable but would expire before summer of 2015. And of course salaries would have to work to around 10 or 11 mil in the trade (examples: Thad Young, Jack + Bennett, Andre Miller + Mozgov, DeAndre Jordan, Jameer Nelson, Dragic, Thornton + Fredette, Amir Johnson + Landry Fields,

That way we could have only 3 players on the books going into the 2015 free agency:

Melo = $24 mil (it might be less if we give him less than the max but lets just use this number to be conservative)
Tim Hardaway Jr = $1.3 mil (team option)
Rookie from 2015 Draft = ~1 mil

Assuming cap is $62mil and we have 9 cap holds each at $473,604 (4.3 mil altogether), that would leave us with:

62 mil - 24mil - 1.3mil - 1 mil - 4.3 mil = about 32 mil to play with. This number wouldn't be enough to get two max cats. Unless Melo takes a bit of a paycut, it would be enough for one max-star and one borderline allstar.

If Melo took a bit of a paycut this summer:

PG: Rondo
SG: Hardaway Jr.
SF: Melo
PF: Love
C: 2015 1st Round Pick

Bench: MLE, LLE, 2nd rounders, Vet Mins 4 Ringchasers (basically the Miami path lmao)

Love wud not be a good fit with Carmelo... As Anthony gets older we will see him play play the 4 a lot more so a gasol/rondo duo mite be best for him

newyorker4ever · Post #4535 » by **newyorker4ever** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:30 pm

Some/Most of the trades i see on here just blow my mind what people think we can get for the overpaid and average players we have but the reality is we need to stand pat with what we have and wait till 2015 before we do what we're famous for which is making bad trades that end up hurting us in the future.
Now at this time next year i might be a little more willing to make a trade just because all these overpaid guys we have contracts will be worth something to other teams because of their expiring contracts so we might actually be able to pull off a trade that would help us and not hurt us.
S.Mills..... excuse me....James Dolan absolutely has got to get it right in 2015.
GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!

MKCATL · Post #4536 » by **MKCATL** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:42 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:Some/Most of the trades i see on here just blow my mind what people think we can get for the overpaid and average players we have but the reality is we need to stand pat with what we have and wait till 2015 before we do what we're famous for which is making bad trades that end up hurting us in the future.
Now at this time next year i might be a little more willing to make a trade just because all these overpaid guys we have contracts will be worth something to other teams because of their expiring contracts so we might actually be able to pull off a trade that would help us and not hurt us.
S.Mills..... excuse me....James Dolan absolutely has got to get it right in 2015.
GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!

I think the only thing we really need to consider is moving Chandler, try and get young assets or picks that could potentially be packaged this offseason to obtain legit 2nd option, and go into next year with Amare and Bargs. Hopefully there is a team out west that try's to make a big push and feels Chandler can put them over the top.

MKCATL · Post #4537 » by **MKCATL** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Does Boston consider a 2014 1st, 2018 1st, Bargs, THjr for Rondo ?

Nyk4lyfe · Post #4538 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:14 pm

MKCATL wrote:Does Boston consider a 2014 1st, 2018 1st, Bargs, THjr for Rondo ?

We have a 2014 pick???????? lol.

Nyk4lyfe · Post #4539 » by **Nyk4lyfe** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:15 pm

SuperflyKnick wrote:
Nyk4lyfe wrote:I think we should find a package in which we can ship out JR Smith and Feltons bad contracts and as an incentive, give up Shumpert.

I would want a decent player back that could be serviceable but would expire before summer of 2015. And of course salaries would have to work to around 10 or 11 mil in the trade (examples: Thad Young, Jack + Bennett, Andre Miller + Mozgov, DeAndre Jordan, Jameer Nelson, Dragic, Thornton + Fredette, Amir Johnson + Landry Fields,

That way we could have only 3 players on the books going into the 2015 free agency:

Melo = $24 mil (it might be less if we give him less than the max but lets just use this number to be conservative)
Tim Hardaway Jr = $1.3 mil (team option)
Rookie from 2015 Draft = ~1 mil

Assuming cap is $62mil and we have 9 cap holds each at $473,604 (4.3 mil altogether), that would leave us with:

62 mil - 24mil - 1.3mil - 1 mil - 4.3 mil = about 32 mil to play with. This number wouldn't be enough to get two max cats. Unless Melo takes a bit of a paycut, it would be enough for one max-star and one borderline allstar.

If Melo took a bit of a paycut this summer:

PG: Rondo
SG: Hardaway Jr.
SF: Melo
PF: Love
C: 2015 1st Round Pick

Bench: MLE, LLE, 2nd rounders, Vet Mins 4 Ringchasers (basically the Miami path lmao)

Love wud not be a good fit with Carmelo... As Anthony gets older we will see him play play the 4 a lot more so a gasol/rondo duo mite be best for him

Hm, you're probably right.

PG: Rondo
SG: Hardaway Jr.
SF: 1st Round Draft Pick
PF: Melo
C: Marc Gasol
Bench: MLE, LLE, 2nd Rounders, Vet Min Ringchasers

Besart19 · Post #4540 » by **Besart19** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:16 pm

Rondo (12M)
Shump/THJ (6M)
2015 pick (2M)
Melo (18M)
Gasol (15M)

=> 53-55M