Josh Smith Detroit Pistons Highlights

[sc8581]

I see this argument a lot. The "He shoots like Stevie Wonder but he's a swiss army knife in other aspects" argument. I don't agree. He gets more blocks than Monroe, and his defense is SOMETIMES (when he feels like it) much better than Monroe. The difference it, it is when he feels like trying. Monroe is consistent. He will give you shoddy defense, but his offense will always be solid.

Right now, Monroe's turnovers are up and minutes are down. That seems pretty fair, when he's publicly being dissed by the front office, the coach (especially the coach), and the fans. He is in constant trade rumors, and gets no touches from BJ. I think it's natural that Monroe is a little upset. My play might get a bit worse too. But he's been consisten and a rock for us for a while now. What, if anything, does Josh do every night? Other then shoot us out of games? That is literally the only thing he does nightly....shoot poorly.

Monroe is not consistent, that's why his minutes are down, he's match-up reliant. Even though Smith does tend to fill out the stat sheet nicely other than scoring efficiency, he still is in the mix nearly every play on both ends of the floor trying to make something happen. For those of you that still don't understand why Smith and Jennings shoot so much I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, I will just repeat myself yet again I suppose... They are the only 2 players in the starting line-up that can get shots off in nearly any match-up, maybe they aren't the best looks but that's why we need a #1 option and all of a sudden everybody looks a little better. There are two ways to get said #1 option, trade Drummond or trade Monroe for a small contract guy that fills a need though has talent and potential as well and then take another crack in free agency.

If by "get up shots" you mean throw the ball somewhere in the direction of the basket, we have 5 players in our starting line up that can do that. Just because Jennings and Smith chuck in any situation possible doesn't mean they are shooters. Even when they have good looks, they still miss FAR more than they make. There is a reason why every basketball head or prior player or coach on any number of websites argues the same thing on this subject.

Having shooters or number 1 options nearby doesn't help them. In the last few years, Brandon Jennings has had shooters he could pass to instead of taking awful shots. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson, JJ Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris, Michael Redd...all guys who at one time or another were considered solid shooters. His problem now was his problem then. Josh Smith has had Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Joe Johnson...He had the same problem then, just worse now.

Neither or them "Get up shots" well. They just chuck. Religiously. It feels like Josh Smith could murder a referee on the court in front of 14,000 people, and someone would defend him because "the ref might have disrespected Josh's parents" or something. It's like he can do no wrong.

In the last 3 games, Josh Smith has gone 10-24 for 25 pts, with 8 rebounds and 2 turnovers. 6-12 for 13 pts and 5 rebounds with 2 turnovers. 2-10 shooting for 8 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3 turnovers.

In the last 3 games, while Monroe has been on shortened minutes, Greg has gone 9-13 for 20 pts with 9 rebounds and no turnovers. 4-8 for 8 pts, 11 rebounds, 5 turnovers. 7-11 shooting for 18 pts, 9 rebounds, and 2 turnovers.

In total, in the past 3 games while everyone has been trying to crush Monroe, he has scored 46 pts on 32 shots, grabbed 29 rebounds with 7 turnovers. The "Gets up shots" Josh has scored 46 pts as well on...47 shots!, with only 19 rebounds and 7 turnovers as well. The weirdest thing of it all? Greg Monroe did all of that with 28 less minutes than Josh Smith over the last 3 games. Let that sink in. You can pick and choose his stats like I did, none are much different. OR even any 3 game grouping like I did, I just chose the most recent 3 which have been 3 of Greg's worst.

If there is ANYONE who can put up shots in our starting lineup, it should be Greg, the guy screaming CONSISTENT. Stop with the swiss army knife talk with Josh. We have lost too many close games due to him.

Clearly stats are all you understand so I'm done

[Clarity]

Monroe is not consistent, that's why his minutes are down, he's match-up reliant. Even though Smith does tend to fill out the stat sheet nicely other than scoring efficiency, he still is in the mix nearly every play on both ends of the floor trying to make something happen. For those of you that still don't understand why Smith and Jennings shoot so much I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, I will just repeat myself yet again I suppose... They are the only 2 players in the starting line-up that can get shots off in nearly any match-up, maybe they aren't the best looks but that's why we need a #1 option and all of a sudden everybody looks a little better. There are two ways to get said #1 option, trade Drummond or trade Monroe for a small contract guy that fills a need though has talent and potential as well and then take another crack in free agency.

There is definitely some truth in this, there isnt a #1 option on this roster right now. Drummond can easily develop into that but were a few years & heavy development before he could get there.

Monroe on the block is the best offensive option on this roster though & with a true #1 could be a deadly 1/2 combo. Jennings & Josh were brought in because of potential but aside from flashes in the past, neither has lived up to their potential. They simply take the most shots because they think they are the 2 best players, the only options. Its why coaching is to blame a ton for this.

You are absolutely right in the thinking that a true #1 option where Jennings can just be a passer & Josh can get a few post looks but is mostly just is a hustle guy, #3 ish option would make us a much different looking team.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Monroe is not consistent, that's why his minutes are down, he's match-up reliant. Even though Smith does tend to fill out the stat sheet nicely other than scoring efficiency, he still is in the mix nearly every play on both ends of the floor trying to make something happen. For those of you that still don't understand why Smith and Jennings shoot so much I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, I will just repeat myself yet again I suppose... They are the only 2 players in the starting line-up that can get shots off in nearly any match-up, maybe they aren't the best looks but that's why we need a #1 option and all of a sudden everybody looks a little better. There are two ways to get said #1 option, trade Drummond or trade Monroe for a small contract guy that fills a need though has talent and potential as well and then take another crack in free agency.

If by "get up shots" you mean throw the ball somewhere in the direction of the basket, we have 5 players in our starting line up that can do that. Just because Jennings and Smith chuck in any situation possible doesn't mean they are shooters. Even when they have good looks, they still miss FAR more than they make. There is a reason why every basketball head or prior player or coach on any number of websites argues the same thing on this subject.

Having shooters or number 1 options nearby doesn't help them. In the last few years, Brandon Jennings has had shooters he could pass to instead of taking awful shots. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson, JJ Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris, Michael Redd...all guys who at one time or another were considered solid shooters. His problem now was his problem then. Josh Smith has had Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Joe Johnson...He had the same problem then, just worse now.

Neither or them "Get up shots" well. They just chuck. Religiously. It feels like Josh Smith could murder a referee on the court in front of 14,000 people, and someone would defend him because "the ref might have disrespected Josh's parents" or something. It's like he can do no wrong.

In the last 3 games, Josh Smith has gone 10-24 for 25 pts, with 8 rebounds and 2 turnovers. 6-12 for 13 pts and 5 rebounds with 2 turnovers. 2-10 shooting for 8 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3 turnovers.

In the last 3 games, while Monroe has been on shortened minutes, Greg has gone 9-13 for 20 pts with 9 rebounds and no turnovers. 4-8 for 8 pts, 11 rebounds, 5 turnovers. 7-11 shooting for 18 pts, 9 rebounds, and 2 turnovers.

In total, in the past 3 games while everyone has been trying to crush Monroe, he has scored 46 pts on 32 shots, grabbed 29 rebounds with 7 turnovers. The "Gets up shots" Josh has scored 46 pts as well on...47 shots!, with only 19 rebounds and 7 turnovers as well. The weirdest thing of it all? Greg Monroe did all of that with 28 less minutes than Josh Smith over the last 3 games. Let that sink in. You can pick and choose his stats like I did, none are much different. OR even any 3 game grouping like I did, I just chose the most recent 3 which have been 3 of Greg's worst.

If there is ANYONE who can put up shots in our starting lineup, it should be Greg, the guy screaming CONSISTENT. Stop with the swiss army knife talk with Josh. We have lost too many close games due to him.

Clearly stats are all you understand so I'm done

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

[Invictus88]

And then there were none?

I don't see sc's partner in crime all of a sudden. Interesting.

BTW, there wouldn't be a need at all for anyone to need to play ISO and get their shots off if we had any semblance of ball movement on offense. Oh yeah right. We can't. Because of spacing.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Monroe is not consistent, that's why his minutes are down, he's match-up reliant. Even though Smith does tend to fill out the stat sheet nicely other than scoring efficiency, he still is in the mix nearly every play on both ends of the floor trying to make something happen. For those of you that still don't understand why Smith and Jennings shoot so much I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, I will just repeat myself yet again I suppose... They are the only 2 players in the starting line-up that can get shots off in nearly any match-up, maybe they aren't the best looks but that's why we need a #1 option and all of a sudden everybody looks a little better. There are two ways to get said #1 option, trade Drummond or trade Monroe for a small contract guy that fills a need though has talent and potential as well and then take another crack in free agency.

There is definitely some truth in this, there isnt a #1 option on this roster right now. Drummond can easily develop into that but were a few years & heavy development before he could get there.

Monroe on the block is the best offensive option on this roster though & with a true #1 could be a deadly 1/2 combo. Jennings & Josh were brought in because of potential but aside from flashes in the past, neither has lived up to their potential. They simply take the most shots because they think they are the 2 best players, the only options. Its why coaching is to blame a ton for this.

You are absolutely right in the thinking that a true #1 option where Jennings can just be a passer & Josh can get a few post looks but is mostly just is a hustle guy, #3 ish option would make us a much different looking team.

And I agree with this. Jennings plays basketball like I play 2k14, basically dribble around and pass when the shot clock is lower than 14 seconds to try to force the receiver into shooting and giving me an assist. He has no place on a competitive squad. If we had kept Calderon and convinced Smith he was a role player and defensive guru and not the volume shooter, this team would be crazy. At this point though, if I had to choose, I'd keep Jennings over Smith. I understand the need for a number 1 scoring option...but we have enough options where if there was a little more distribution, we could do well. Not many teams are successful with 1 number 1 scoring option (ahem, Knicks). The best teams have several that are above standard (Thunder - Durant, Westbrook and now Ibaka for example). Get a pg that passes, and Monroe, Drummond, Stuckey, and Singler can all hold their own above average in the scoring department with enough touches.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

And then there were none?

I don't see sc's partner in crime all of a sudden. Interesting.

BTW, there wouldn't be a need at all for anyone to need to play ISO and get their shots off if we had any semblance of ball movement on offense. Oh yeah right. We can't. Because of spacing.

They dipped because I used stats. Numbers are the anti-Smoove.

[sc8581]

If by "get up shots" you mean throw the ball somewhere in the direction of the basket, we have 5 players in our starting line up that can do that. Just because Jennings and Smith chuck in any situation possible doesn't mean they are shooters. Even when they have good looks, they still miss FAR more than they make. There is a reason why every basketball head or prior player or coach on any number of websites argues the same thing on this subject.

Having shooters or number 1 options nearby doesn't help them. In the last few years, Brandon Jennings has had shooters he could pass to instead of taking awful shots. He's had Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson, JJ Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Tobias Harris, Michael Redd...all guys who at one time or another were considered solid shooters. His problem now was his problem then. Josh Smith has had Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, Joe Johnson...He had the same problem then, just worse now.

Neither or them "Get up shots" well. They just chuck. Religiously. It feels like Josh Smith could murder a referee on the court in front of 14,000 people, and someone would defend him because "the ref might have disrespected Josh's parents" or something. It's like he can do no wrong.

In the last 3 games, Josh Smith has gone 10-24 for 25 pts, with 8 rebounds and 2 turnovers. 6-12 for 13 pts and 5 rebounds with 2 turnovers. 2-10 shooting for 8 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3 turnovers.

In the last 3 games, while Monroe has been on shortened minutes, Greg has gone 9-13 for 20 pts with 9 rebounds and no turnovers. 4-8 for 8 pts, 11 rebounds, 5 turnovers. 7-11 shooting for 18 pts, 9 rebounds, and 2 turnovers.

In total, in the past 3 games while everyone has been trying to crush Monroe, he has scored 46 pts on 32 shots, grabbed 29 rebounds with 7 turnovers. The "Gets up shots" Josh has scored 46 pts as well on...47 shots!, with only 19 rebounds and 7 turnovers as well. The weirdest thing of it all? Greg Monroe did all of that with 28 less minutes than Josh Smith over the last 3 games. Let that sink in. You can pick and choose his stats like I did, none are much different. OR even any 3 game grouping like I did, I just chose the most recent 3 which have been 3 of Greg's worst.

If there is ANYONE who can put up shots in our starting lineup, it should be Greg, the guy screaming CONSISTENT. Stop with the swiss army knife talk with Josh. We have lost too many close games due to him.

Clearly stats are all you understand so I'm done

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

[Invictus88]

Clearly stats are all you understand so I'm done

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Clearly stats are all you understand so I'm done

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

Monroe actually has less turnovers than Smith this season, you can look that up. And yes, I've seen lots of post passing back and forth between both of them. Please don't pretend that Monroe is the offense killer, or is at fault for Brandon's and Josh's nasty shots. That example you gave is no where as close to as common as Josh looping out to get open 22 feet from the hoop, Brandon passing to him since he doesn't pass in the post very often (fear of turnovers?), and with 16 seconds on the shot clock, Josh chucking a wide open 2. Meaning, plenty of time on the clock to look for an open man or drive to the hoop (Which he is special at, for real), but instead he chooses to chuck something awful. It feels weird, like your blaming Brandon and Josh's shots on Greg. That's a whole new level of watching the game with blinders on.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

Exactly. Double team Monroe down low so Smith shoots a long two. Defensive schemes.
He is not familiar with these.

[sc8581]

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

Monroe actually has less turnovers than Smith this season, you can look that up. And yes, I've seen lots of post passing back and forth between both of them. Please don't pretend that Monroe is the offense killer, or is at fault for Brandon's and Josh's nasty shots. That example you gave is no where as close to as common as Josh looping out to get open 22 feet from the hoop, Brandon passing to him since he doesn't pass in the post very often (fear of turnovers?), and with 16 seconds on the shot clock, Josh chucking a wide open 2. Meaning, plenty of time on the clock to look for an open man or drive to the hoop (Which he is special at, for real), but instead he chooses to chuck something awful. It feels weird, like your blaming Brandon and Josh's shots on Greg. That's a whole new level of watching the game with blinders on.

Smith has more turnovers because he's involved in just about every play and he also plays more minutes.

My point is mostly that we have no better options most of the time and that's why those two shoot so much, everybody screams to give Monroe the ball in the post but they don't realize that it's not the right match-up for him.

[DBC10]

Negative, but it's a go-to option when somehow the eye test is failing someone. Is it more that you are done because there is no valid argument to the contrary? I have missed maybe a total of 10 games since our last banner got hung, none this season. I watch Monroe and Smith like hawks (pun!). I don't understand why you seem to think everrrrryone else is wrong about Smith, and only you know some secret truth behind his baffling performances night in and night out. Smith puts up a lot of wide open shots, I'll give you that. There is a secret though...when he hits about 16 feet back, opponents drop off him on purpose, knowing he'll toss a brick. You can watch that sequence over and over in games. The tactic rarely fails.

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

This. It's why you don't see Jennings drive at all anymore whenever the big 3 play nor KCP. You can't drive when all 3 defenders are sagging inside.

[sc8581]

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

Exactly. Double team Monroe down low so Smith shoots a long two. Defensive schemes.
He is not familiar with these.

Rarely happens. Offensive schemes. You are not familiar with these.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

Exactly. Double team Monroe down low so Smith shoots a long two. Defensive schemes.
He is not familiar with these.

Rarely happens. Offensive schemes. You are not familiar with these.

Rarely happens? Was this supposed to be a "you got served!" moment that backfired? How is Josh leaving the post to shoot a long 2 with time on the clock to bail out Greg an offensive scheme, unless we are being coached by Charles Manson and Satan. Do you know the meaning of "offensive scheme"?

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Good, then you know how many times Smith has passed the ball down to Monroe in the post and he could do nothing with it, resulting in one of A. a long shot from Jennings B. a long shot from Smith or C. a Monroe turnover.

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

This. It's why you don't see Jennings drive at all anymore whenever the big 3 play nor KCP. You can't drive when all 3 defenders are sagging inside.

This. Thank you.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

That's because Smith's man is already sagging off and down on the block?

Exactly. Double team Monroe down low so Smith shoots a long two. Defensive schemes.
He is not familiar with these.

Rarely happens. Offensive schemes. You are not familiar with these.

And this exact scenerio happens CONSTANTLY. I feel I should add that Its like 0230 where I am, I want to sleep a bit before the game, but I am just too fascinated to sleep right now. This is mind boggling. Rarely happens? Wow.

[sc8581]

Exactly. Double team Monroe down low so Smith shoots a long two. Defensive schemes.
He is not familiar with these.

Rarely happens. Offensive schemes. You are not familiar with these.

Rarely happens? Was this supposed to be a "you got served!" moment that backfired? How is Josh leaving the post to shoot a long 2 with time on the clock to bail out Greg an offensive scheme, unless we are being coached by Charles Manson and Satan. Do you know the meaning of "offensive scheme"?

Offensive scheme. Smith passes to Monroe in the post then moves to the other side of the floor so his man can't sag and double. I don't recall any instances of SF's doubling on Moose, typically always guards to my recollection.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Rarely happens. Offensive schemes. You are not familiar with these.

Rarely happens? Was this supposed to be a "you got served!" moment that backfired? How is Josh leaving the post to shoot a long 2 with time on the clock to bail out Greg an offensive scheme, unless we are being coached by Charles Manson and Satan. Do you know the meaning of "offensive scheme"?

Offensive scheme. Smith passes to Monroe in the post then moves to the other side of the floor so his man can't sag and double. I don't recall any instances of SF's doubling on Moose, typically always guards to my recollection.

Gotcha. What you just described is the concept. How it plays out, Smith passes to Monroe in the post, then moves to the other side. His man sags, closing in on Monroe. Monroe passes out to Smith due to having no reasonable shot, Smith is like "Dang son, I'm wide open. Time to get over my shooting slump!" and Whiffs.

BTW, I hope I haven't come across as too rude. I never mean to be, but it happens naturally sometimes. I enjoy heated discussions.

Anddddd I'm just gonna leave this over here.....http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... st-shooter

[Hotmayo]

Rarely happens? Was this supposed to be a "you got served!" moment that backfired? How is Josh leaving the post to shoot a long 2 with time on the clock to bail out Greg an offensive scheme, unless we are being coached by Charles Manson and Satan. Do you know the meaning of "offensive scheme"?

Offensive scheme. Smith passes to Monroe in the post then moves to the other side of the floor so his man can't sag and double. I don't recall any instances of SF's doubling on Moose, typically always guards to my recollection.

Gotcha. What you just described is the concept. How it plays out, Smith passes to Monroe in the post, then moves to the other side. His man sags, closing in on Monroe. Monroe passes out to Smith due to having no reasonable shot, Smith is like "Dang son, I'm wide open. Time to get over my shooting slump!" and Whiffs.

BTW, I hope I haven't come across as too rude. I never mean to be, but it happens naturally sometimes. I enjoy heated discussions.

Anddddd I'm just gonna leave this over here.....http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... st-shooter

Josh smith needs to stop shooting so threes. Josh was brought here to compete with paul george and lebron at the small forward position. Which he clearly can do. Josh can defend and score on lebron and paul george Which is extremely valuable to have. Greg Monroe still can't shoot which is why he is te problem. Again.. Let me repeat. Josh needs to stop shooting so many threes and limit his jumpers to more cutters to the basket. Josh was brought here to handle the dominant small forward play in th nba. If the pistons want to build a championship team they need a talented small forward as well. Josh's ability to play weak side defense and man to man defense on lebron and paul george is really valuable. Again.. Hence.. Which is why josh is joes guy. Joes trying to build a winner and that caters to other players like lebron and paul george. That caters to mathups against other top teams. Monroe was thougt to being a deent power forward but hasn't shown the WILLING and CONSISTENT ability to shoot midrange jump shots every single game. This is a large problem when constructing a lineup of josh and Drummond.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

Offensive scheme. Smith passes to Monroe in the post then moves to the other side of the floor so his man can't sag and double. I don't recall any instances of SF's doubling on Moose, typically always guards to my recollection.

Gotcha. What you just described is the concept. How it plays out, Smith passes to Monroe in the post, then moves to the other side. His man sags, closing in on Monroe. Monroe passes out to Smith due to having no reasonable shot, Smith is like "Dang son, I'm wide open. Time to get over my shooting slump!" and Whiffs.

BTW, I hope I haven't come across as too rude. I never mean to be, but it happens naturally sometimes. I enjoy heated discussions.

Anddddd I'm just gonna leave this over here.....http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... st-shooter

Josh smith needs to stop shooting so threes. Josh was brought here to compete with paul george and lebron at the small forward position. Which he clearly can do. Josh can defend and score on lebron and paul george Which is extremely valuable to have. Greg Monroe still can't shoot which is why he is te problem. Again.. Let me repeat. Josh needs to stop shooting so many threes and limit his jumpers to more cutters to the basket. Josh was brought here to handle the dominant small forward play in th nba. If the pistons want to build a championship team they need a talented small forward as well. Josh's ability to play weak side defense and man to man defense on lebron and paul george is really valuable. Again.. Hence.. Which is why josh is joes guy. Joes trying to build a winner and that caters to other players like lebron and paul george. That caters to mathups against other top teams. Monroe was thougt to being a deent power forward but hasn't shown the WILLING and CONSISTENT ability to shoot midrange jump shots every single game. This is a large problem when constructing a lineup of josh and Drummond.

I am not even sure how to read that, but from the bits I can understand...you should read that ESPN article as well.