2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[grumpysaddle]

SMH. People still want to get rid of Frye. Dude is such a huge part of the Suns' success this year, and they want to ship him out. His contract is super reasonable for what he does, and he'll probably stick around for cheap for his next contract. His career outside of his rookie year was going down the tubes until the Suns turned it around for him. They stuck with him through the heart scare last season, and his game is not dependent on athletic ability. He'll keep doing what he does for years to come. If anything, his shot will get better.

Hey I never wrote that!!!! How did my name get on there? Seriously?!?!

For the record I'm totally against trading frye. He has so much value to the suns.

What the hell. That's really weird! I just hit the quote button... that was directed toward BobbieL! Sorry.

EDIT: I see what I did! In my tiredness, I messed up while cropping the quote down, and left your name in there. Sorry, again! I edited my original post.

[JDLAW]

I am not trying to rain on everyone's parade who thinks this is new stuff, but Woj's article is just a rehash of what has been stated many times in the past by McDonough. It is nothing new.

It is the first time that we are looking for a short term and veteran adquisition:

The Suns have expressed a willingness to absorb a veteran player on a short-term deal who wouldn't compromise the organization's ample salary-cap space for the future, league sources said.

Until this article, McD only spoke about trade for young players that will be part of our core for the future.

That is assuming that what he reports is true and Suns would acquire a veteran player on a short term deal. Have not heard this from McDonough or any other report quoting McDonough. But lets assume this illogical paraphrased statement is true, that would seem to state the only veteran players who are expiring would be considered. The Suns have about $25M in cap space next year and after Bledsoe is resigned, a high salary vet that extends beyond this season would compromise salary cap space.

[NaturalBuns]

How is it terrible Oak is making the money Asik will make next yr except he won't have a neck injury.
Plus wouldn't some of the contract be paid off by this time next year at the deadline.

Uh..... Oak is an EXPIRING! He is getting paid $0 next season compaired to Asiks $15M. His contract THIS season is partially covered by insurance.

The cap hit is the same regardless. You expecting Lebron or something this summer?

[JDLAW]

How is it terrible Oak is making the money Asik will make next yr except he won't have a neck injury.
Plus wouldn't some of the contract be paid off by this time next year at the deadline.

Uh..... Oak is an EXPIRING! He is getting paid $0 next season compaired to Asiks $15M. His contract THIS season is partially covered by insurance.

The cap hit is the same regardless. You expecting Lebron or something this summer?

You cannot ignore the financial hit of having to pay him $15M next year.

[NaturalBuns]

Uh..... Oak is an EXPIRING! He is getting paid $0 next season compaired to Asiks $15M. His contract THIS season is partially covered by insurance.

The cap hit is the same regardless. You expecting Lebron or something this summer?

You cannot ignore the financial hit of having to pay him $15M next year.

I don't know the numbers but by the deadline of next year it wouldn't be 15mil.

[Kerrsed]

How is it terrible Oak is making the money Asik will make next yr except he won't have a neck injury.
Plus wouldn't some of the contract be paid off by this time next year at the deadline.

Uh..... Oak is an EXPIRING! He is getting paid $0 next season compaired to Asiks $15M. His contract THIS season is partially covered by insurance.

The cap hit is the same regardless. You expecting Lebron or something this summer?

You dont understand. I have tried to explain it to you multiple times, but you dont get it. I give up.

[JDLAW]

Generally ASB is about 50-53 games into the season and the trade deadline is handful more. Assuming you could trade him at the deadline, you'd still have to pay him somewhere north of $10M for his services next year.

[Saberestar]

That is assuming that what he reports is true and Suns would acquire a veteran player on a short term deal. Have not heard this from McDonough or any other report quoting McDonough. But lets assume this illogical paraphrased statement is true, that would seem to state the only veteran players who are expiring would be considered. The Suns have about $25M in cap space next year and after Bledsoe is resigned, a high salary vet that extends beyond this season would compromise salary cap space.

Yes, so there are only a few good veteran players that are expirings and their teams need to save money (and they are no contenders)...

Pau Gasol,19M
Paul Pierce, 15M
Ben Gordon, 13M (not very good now)
Luol Deng, 14M (he can be traded again)
Nowitzki, 22M (Impossible)

I think that is all.

My first choice would be Luol Deng. IF Cleveland is out of the race for a playoff spot in two weeks, he can be a great adquisition for us.

[nevetsov]

Who wins/loses the following?

PHX out: Emeka Okafor (exp+insured), Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris

PHX in: Gordon Hayward, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

We essentially use the Okafor contract to buy the rights to sign Hayward in the offseason. Barbs and Tucker become our offensive and defensive spark plugs off the bench, respectively. Next year we draft the best available PF (Gordon?)

2014:
Bledsoe, Goodwin, Ish
Dragic, Barbosa
Hayward, Tucker
Frye, Draft (Gordon?)
Len, Plumlee

UTA out: Gordon Hayward (RFA), Enes Kanter, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

UTA in: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

Utah cash in their expirings and turn their RFA and an on-the-outs young big man (Kanter comes off the bench because he struggles in the same lineup as Favors) into some proven, talented young pieces. Hawes is a stretch 5 who theoretically would be more suited to complement the interior game of Favors.

PHI out: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

PHI in: Enes Kanter, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Emeka Okafor (exp+insurance)

PHI reloads with a true scoring 5 and a couple of talented young forwards, to complement their core of MCW at PG and returning defensive PF prospect Nerlens Noel. Not that they need cash, but they save a ton of it here, or alternatively, they could flip it for further young pieces. They also get a couple years to assess their young pieces before having to commit to extensions.

[INFORMER-93]

Utah would never answer the phone again if either of those teams called after proposing that deal.

[NaturalBuns]

That is assuming that what he reports is true and Suns would acquire a veteran player on a short term deal. Have not heard this from McDonough or any other report quoting McDonough. But lets assume this illogical paraphrased statement is true, that would seem to state the only veteran players who are expiring would be considered. The Suns have about $25M in cap space next year and after Bledsoe is resigned, a high salary vet that extends beyond this season would compromise salary cap space.

Yes, so there are only a few good veteran players that are expirings and their teams need to save money (and they are no contenders)...

Pau Gasol,19M
Paul Pierce, 15M
Ben Gordon, 13M (not very good now)
Luol Deng, 14M (he can be traded again)
Nowitzki, 22M (Impossible)

I think that is all.

My first choice would be Luol Deng. IF Cleveland is out of the race for a playoff spot in two weeks, he can be a great adquisition for us.

Deng really is the perfect situation

[nevetsov]

Utah would never answer the phone again if either of those teams called after proposing that deal.

I think that's a bit overdramatic. Sure they are giving up a good young big man, but they are trading a guy who wants more than they are willing to pay, plus about $8m of salary payments to non-contributors, for a pair of talented, well-contracted young guys that fit their model better, as well as a solid complementary big who they can evaluate this season and potentially resign on the cheap.

Think of it this way - next season, they could either have Hayward for $13-$14m, or for about the same price, they could have Turner AND Thaddeus Young. It might not be the best, but I certainly don't think it's the worst?

[INFORMER-93]

Evan Turner really isn't that good.

And Utah is in the driver's seat when it comes to Gordon Hayward. Just because they couldn't reach an agreement on an extension doesn't mean they are ready to give up retaining him.

That's a bad deal for Utah. If they like Turner and/or Hawes, they could just add them as free agents. They only have one big contract on the books going forward. Hayward is one of the most coveted players in the league; if they are going to move him they could do a lot better than that.

[JDLAW]

Who wins/loses the following?

PHX out: Emeka Okafor (exp+insured), Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris

PHX in: Gordon Hayward, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

We essentially use the Okafor contract to buy the rights to sign Hayward in the offseason. Barbs and Tucker become our offensive and defensive spark plugs off the bench, respectively. Next year we draft the best available PF (Gordon?)

2014:
Bledsoe, Goodwin, Ish
Dragic, Barbosa
Hayward, Tucker
Frye, Draft (Gordon?)
Len, Plumlee

UTA out: Gordon Hayward (RFA), Enes Kanter, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

UTA in: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

Utah cash in their expirings and turn their RFA and an on-the-outs young big man (Kanter comes off the bench because he struggles in the same lineup as Favors) into some proven, talented young pieces. Hawes is a stretch 5 who theoretically would be more suited to complement the interior game of Favors.

PHI out: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

PHI in: Enes Kanter, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Emeka Okafor (exp+insurance)

PHI reloads with a true scoring 5 and a couple of talented young forwards, to complement their core of MCW at PG and returning defensive PF prospect Nerlens Noel. Not that they need cash, but they save a ton of it here, or alternatively, they could flip it for further young pieces. They also get a couple years to assess their young pieces before having to commit to extensions.

It is an interesting trade, but why all the extraneous players? It is basically the Morris twins for Hayward, which can work because neither team is over the cap. The rest of the players are going to be jettisoned at the end of the year anyway. I like Hayward, but if you did this trade, i believe the Suns would drop out of playoff contention. Biedrins is worthless and Williams is not much better. Hayward cannot replace the production of the Morris Bros.

Moreover you have changed more than the complexion of the team, you have changed the team's identity. The Suns are known around the league as a very physical team and a big part of that is the Morris twins. They are very physical players. They will be considerably less physical without them.

[JDLAW]

I am not trying to rain on everyone's parade who thinks this is new stuff, but Woj's article is just a rehash of what has been stated many times in the past by McDonough. It is nothing new.

So? It's a recent article talking about the Suns, and it has sparked a discussion. That's it.

It is to stir up trades like Kevin O'Connor (Celt's Blogger on SB Nation) who suggested Suns trade Okafor and a 1st for Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace.

[Sunsdeuce]

I am not trying to rain on everyone's parade who thinks this is new stuff, but Woj's article is just a rehash of what has been stated many times in the past by McDonough. It is nothing new.

So? It's a recent article talking about the Suns, and it has sparked a discussion. That's it.

It is to stir up trades like Kevin O'Connor (Celt's Blogger on SB Nation) who suggested Suns trade Okafor and a 1st for Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace.

Of course the celtics get the better end of the deal while the suns are left overpaying green and Wallace. Lol nice try celtics bloggers. The celtics are desperately trying to unload Wallace.

Gotta give those bloggers an A for effort.

So I counter with emeka and Christmas for green and their first round pick. Works for everyone. Lol, anyway their silly trade will never happen along with my silly trade.

[INFORMER-93]

Who wins/loses the following?

PHX out: Emeka Okafor (exp+insured), Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris

PHX in: Gordon Hayward, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

We essentially use the Okafor contract to buy the rights to sign Hayward in the offseason. Barbs and Tucker become our offensive and defensive spark plugs off the bench, respectively. Next year we draft the best available PF (Gordon?)

2014:
Bledsoe, Goodwin, Ish
Dragic, Barbosa
Hayward, Tucker
Frye, Draft (Gordon?)
Len, Plumlee

UTA out: Gordon Hayward (RFA), Enes Kanter, Marvin Williams (exp), Andres Biedrins (exp)

UTA in: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

Utah cash in their expirings and turn their RFA and an on-the-outs young big man (Kanter comes off the bench because he struggles in the same lineup as Favors) into some proven, talented young pieces. Hawes is a stretch 5 who theoretically would be more suited to complement the interior game of Favors.

PHI out: Evan Turner, Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes (exp)

PHI in: Enes Kanter, Markieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Emeka Okafor (exp+insurance)

PHI reloads with a true scoring 5 and a couple of talented young forwards, to complement their core of MCW at PG and returning defensive PF prospect Nerlens Noel. Not that they need cash, but they save a ton of it here, or alternatively, they could flip it for further young pieces. They also get a couple years to assess their young pieces before having to commit to extensions.

It is an interesting trade, but why all the extraneous players? It is basically the Morris twins for Hayward, which can work because neither team is over the cap. The rest of the players are going to be jettisoned at the end of the year anyway. I like Hayward, but if you did this trade, i believe the Suns would drop out of playoff contention. Biedrins is worthless and Williams is not much better. Hayward cannot replace the production of the Morris Bros.

Moreover you have changed more than the complexion of the team, you have changed the team's identity. The Suns are known around the league as a very physical team and a big part of that is the Morris twins. They are very physical players. They will be considerably less physical without them.

If McDonough could get Hayward for the Morris Twins, he would do that deal in a second.

[JDLAW]

He might or he might not. I believe the Suns value the Morris twins more than you might imagine, but I also believe they really like Hayward. He might jump at the opportunity if presented or he could be thinking wait and snag Hayward in the offseason. Either way the scenario is very unlikely and the others mentioned in the suggested trade mean nothing as neither team will likely retain any of them.

[JDLAW]

So? It's a recent article talking about the Suns, and it has sparked a discussion. That's it.

It is to stir up trades like Kevin O'Connor (Celt's Blogger on SB Nation) who suggested Suns trade Okafor and a 1st for Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace.

Of course the celtics get the better end of the deal while the suns are left overpaying green and Wallace. Lol nice try celtics bloggers. The celtics are desperately trying to unload Wallace.

Gotta give those bloggers an A for effort.

So I counter with emeka and Christmas for green and their first round pick. Works for everyone. Lol, anyway their silly trade will never happen along with my silly trade.

Do not want Green and his $9+M contract at all. The blog suggests that the Celts are disappointed in his inability to move beyond his present state of development and his role is best suited to being a reserve. Green is essentially Mark Morris - scores a little more, rebounds a little less and is a little less efficient and not as physical. I do not see an upgrade and do not see a benefit to paying the price.

[INFORMER-93]

I don't even covet Hayward but I can still recognize that he is a superior basketball talent than the Morris Twins. If Hayward were headed for unrestricted free agency, then I think your point would be more plausible. But holding all the cards on a highly coveted restricted free agent is invaluable and not something McDonough would pass on for such a low cost.