Andrew Wiggins is not a lock at #1?

[Michael Lucky]

Wiggins seems to be rising while Parker and Randle are dropping. It's interesting how Randle and Parker were so dominant early on. Now it looks like Wiggins is the best of all three (AND Emiid). Wiggins might be the first pick after all if he keeps up this pace.

Pretty much, it seems and it looks like many scouts foresaw this, Wiggins is getting better and better while Randle and Parker have leveled out and started to struggle in conference play.

[noobcake]

Wiggins seems to be rising while Parker and Randle are dropping. It's interesting how Randle and Parker were so dominant early on. Now it looks like Wiggins is the best of all three (AND Emiid). Wiggins might be the first pick after all if he keeps up this pace.

That is merely a limited perception.

Parker: 18.8/8.1/1.3 on 46.5/38.2/76.3
Wiggins: 15.8/6.0/1.6 on 45.0/33.8/77.6
Randle: 16.1/10.2/1.7 on 52.8/18.2/72.9
Embiid: Mainly an eye test prospect

Parker is balling and carrying Duke.

And Parker is on a cold streak. Streaks are unreliable. Best way to evaluate prospect to both look at stats and skillset.

Skill set is what gets a 6th man from Syracuse drafted 4th overall. People can hate on Waiters all they want. He is a quality young player.

[rocafelton]

Wiggins seems to be rising while Parker and Randle are dropping. It's interesting how Randle and Parker were so dominant early on. Now it looks like Wiggins is the best of all three (AND Emiid). Wiggins might be the first pick after all if he keeps up this pace.

That is merely a limited perception.

Parker: 18.8/8.1/1.3 on 46.5/38.2/76.3
Wiggins: 15.8/6.0/1.6 on 45.0/33.8/77.6
Randle: 16.1/10.2/1.7 on 52.8/18.2/72.9
Embiid: Mainly an eye test prospect

Really? Embiid averages more points, rebounds, and assists per minute than Anthony Davis did as Player of the Year.

[noobcake]

Wiggins seems to be rising while Parker and Randle are dropping. It's interesting how Randle and Parker were so dominant early on. Now it looks like Wiggins is the best of all three (AND Emiid). Wiggins might be the first pick after all if he keeps up this pace.

That is merely a limited perception.

Parker: 18.8/8.1/1.3 on 46.5/38.2/76.3
Wiggins: 15.8/6.0/1.6 on 45.0/33.8/77.6
Randle: 16.1/10.2/1.7 on 52.8/18.2/72.9
Embiid: Mainly an eye test prospect

Really? Embiid averages more points, rebounds, and assists per minute than Anthony Davis did as Player of the Year.

What?

Davis: 14.2/10.2/1.3/4.7 BLK/1.4 STL
Embiid: 11.2/7.4/1.4/2.8 BLK/0.9 STL

[DirtyDez]

^^ Per-40 he means.

[Randle McMurphy]

That is merely a limited perception.

Parker: 18.8/8.1/1.3 on 46.5/38.2/76.3
Wiggins: 15.8/6.0/1.6 on 45.0/33.8/77.6
Randle: 16.1/10.2/1.7 on 52.8/18.2/72.9
Embiid: Mainly an eye test prospect

Really? Embiid averages more points, rebounds, and assists per minute than Anthony Davis did as Player of the Year.

What?

Davis: 14.2/10.2/1.3/4.7 BLK/1.4 STL
Embiid: 11.2/7.4/1.4/2.8 BLK/0.9 STL

If you think he's just an "eye test guy," you may need to look closer at his actual production (per 40).

• Joel Embiid, Kansas, 2013-14

19.9 points / 13.8 rebounds / 4.7 blocks / 10.7 FGA / 67.7 FG%

• Anthony Davis, Kentucky, 2011-12

17.7 points / 13.0 rebounds / 5.8 blocks / 10.5 FGA / 62.3 FG%

• Greg Oden, Ohio State, 2006-07

21.7 points / 13.2 rebounds / 4.5 blocks / 13.3 FGA / 61.6 FG%

• Andrew Bogut, Utah, 2003-04

16.4 points / 13 rebounds / 1.8 blocks / 11.6 FGA / 57.7 FG%

• Tim Duncan, Wake Forest, 1993-97

13.1 points / 13.7 rebounds / 5.0 blocks / 8.8 FGA / 54.3 FG%

• Shaquille O’Neal, LSU, 1989-90

19.8 points / 17.1 rebounds / 5.1 blocks / 13.9 FGA / 57.3 FG%

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/15/47 ... rylink=cpy

[cedric76]

Kansas will go 1 and 2


Wiggins and embiid r easily top 2

[Tave]

Really? Embiid averages more points, rebounds, and assists per minute than Anthony Davis did as Player of the Year.

What?

Davis: 14.2/10.2/1.3/4.7 BLK/1.4 STL
Embiid: 11.2/7.4/1.4/2.8 BLK/0.9 STL

If you think he's just an "eye test guy," you may need to look closer at his actual production (per 40).

• Joel Embiid, Kansas, 2013-14

19.9 points / 13.8 rebounds / 4.7 blocks / 10.7 FGA / 67.7 FG%

• Anthony Davis, Kentucky, 2011-12

17.7 points / 13.0 rebounds / 5.8 blocks / 10.5 FGA / 62.3 FG%

• Greg Oden, Ohio State, 2006-07

21.7 points / 13.2 rebounds / 4.5 blocks / 13.3 FGA / 61.6 FG%

• Andrew Bogut, Utah, 2003-04

16.4 points / 13 rebounds / 1.8 blocks / 11.6 FGA / 57.7 FG%

• Tim Duncan, Wake Forest, 1993-97

13.1 points / 13.7 rebounds / 5.0 blocks / 8.8 FGA / 54.3 FG%

• Shaquille O’Neal, LSU, 1989-90

19.8 points / 17.1 rebounds / 5.1 blocks / 13.9 FGA / 57.3 FG%

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/15/47 ... rylink=cpy

Embiid also averages over 6 fouls per40 minutes, so those figures are as irrelevant as they are impossible.

[Joseph17]

I see Wiggins as being a Paul George type player in the NBA. That's probably number 1 pick worthy, but I feel like there are guys in this years draft who can potentially be better than Paul George.

[sikma42]

I see Wiggins as being a Paul George type player in the NBA. That's probably number 1 pick worthy, but I feel like there are guys in this years draft who can potentially be better than Paul George.

I see Wiggins with the potential to be better than Paul George as well. The only other guy I have on that level is Embiid.

[doordoor123]

I honestly think Exum is the best prospect in this draft. After that, I'd say Wiggins. The only reason I'm saying Emiid isn't better than Wiggins is because I don't have faith in college basketball centers. They always end up in the D-league their first year because they're either not strong enough, they get too many fouls/turnovers or because they are missing a huge aspect of their game. We all know Embiid is potential. I don't think he'll be ready right away.

As for Randle and Parker, I don't think they'll be megastars. Either of them. I see them both as the second best player on a contender. They're both all-star caliber, but they're second-tier players. Tier one being LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, etc.

[DoD_Magyar]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U1UF8pagjw&list=UU-Ba10Rmz8pFivAVdQNeFyw&feature=c4-overview[/youtube]

Wiggins' last game for who missed or failed to watch.

[bigboi]

I really think we throw around the word dominant a little too much.

Like I said before Wiggins is dominant when facing man to man. If he has an elite performance in the tourney, I could see him being picked #1. Top 2 are locks, Embiid and Wiggins.

Were they playing man in the ISU game?

Yup, played man and got burned

[CanadaB-Ball]

That is merely a limited perception.

Parker: 18.8/8.1/1.3 on 46.5/38.2/76.3
Wiggins: 15.8/6.0/1.6 on 45.0/33.8/77.6
Randle: 16.1/10.2/1.7 on 52.8/18.2/72.9
Embiid: Mainly an eye test prospect

Parker is balling and carrying Duke.

And Parker is on a cold streak. Streaks are unreliable. Best way to evaluate prospect to both look at stats and skillset.

Skill set is what gets a 6th man from Syracuse drafted 4th overall. People can hate on Waiters all they want. He is a quality young player.

First of all, Waiters is terrible. Second of all, these are Parker's numbers after his first 7 games (the last 14):

14.1 FGA/G
3.8 3PA/G
16.4 PPG
7.9 RPG
0.93 APG
39.6 FG%
28.2 3P%

So the last few games for Wiggins has just been a 'hot streak', but the first seven for Jabari was just good ol' Parker? Sound logic.

[Randle McMurphy]

What?

Davis: 14.2/10.2/1.3/4.7 BLK/1.4 STL
Embiid: 11.2/7.4/1.4/2.8 BLK/0.9 STL

If you think he's just an "eye test guy," you may need to look closer at his actual production (per 40).

• Joel Embiid, Kansas, 2013-14

19.9 points / 13.8 rebounds / 4.7 blocks / 10.7 FGA / 67.7 FG%

• Anthony Davis, Kentucky, 2011-12

17.7 points / 13.0 rebounds / 5.8 blocks / 10.5 FGA / 62.3 FG%

• Greg Oden, Ohio State, 2006-07

21.7 points / 13.2 rebounds / 4.5 blocks / 13.3 FGA / 61.6 FG%

• Andrew Bogut, Utah, 2003-04

16.4 points / 13 rebounds / 1.8 blocks / 11.6 FGA / 57.7 FG%

• Tim Duncan, Wake Forest, 1993-97

13.1 points / 13.7 rebounds / 5.0 blocks / 8.8 FGA / 54.3 FG%

• Shaquille O’Neal, LSU, 1989-90

19.8 points / 17.1 rebounds / 5.1 blocks / 13.9 FGA / 57.3 FG%

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/15/47 ... rylink=cpy

Embiid also averages over 6 fouls per40 minutes, so those figures are as irrelevant as they are impossible.

Have no idea how the fact that Embiid fouled a lot at the beginning of the season is relevant at all to that comparison. The point was that his production when he's actually on the floor is incredibly good.

[Tave]

"At the beginning of the season?" He fouled out twice within the last 5 games.

Embiid's production is outstanding, well-ahead of most predictions, but he hasn't carried anywhere near the load for Kansas as Davis did for Kentucky, and Embiid doesn't crush whole teams on D like AD did.

And I agree: Embiid has some legitimate arguments in favor over AD as a prospect. I'm just saying, season-to-season, their freshman defensive play is not remotely in the same ball park. Not to say Embiid can't close the gap, but it is big.

Seriously though, do people not remember AD in Kentucky? It was only 2 years ago. One of the best defensive seasons in modern NCAA history period, let alone by a freshman...

[CBB_Fan]

Davis's overall play is a significant upgrade over Embiid's, but Embiid arguably has the better peak play. I'd still want Davis's contributions and season, but I can see why Embiid could be more appealing to scouts. By peak, I mean the times where he seems to score every shot on offense and erase everything on the defensive end. Davis had a lot of that, don't get me wrong, but Embiid's ability to take over a game for a short period of time is incredible.

[EMG518]

[quote="Tave"]"Seriously though, do people not remember AD in Kentucky? It was only 2 years ago.quote]

As far as watching them in college I have thought Embiid looked to be the better prospect. This will be my 6th draft I have followed and I think Embiid is the best prospect I have seen over the course of all of them. Granted Anthony Davis made a jump this year and looks like a totally different player than in college to me. I didnt expect him to get to this level this fast or some things to even become that good in general but as far as in college Embiid looks to be the better prospect to me. Wiggins looks to be a better prospect as well in college to me. I would take Wiggins #1 and Embiid #2 right now but Embiid has an upside that I dont think any prospect I have seen has had.

[Dr Positivity]

Davis' talent to me was ahead because of elite athleticism. And while he wasn't as prolific a shooter as he is now in college, he showed greater reason to be confident in his J than Embiid

Davis was also so clearly the man attitude/leadership/demeanor wise. Like Durant every once in a while a prospect comes along that is just special in the way he carries himself.

[Dr Positivity]

Davis's overall play is a significant upgrade over Embiid's, but Embiid arguably has the better peak play. I'd still want Davis's contributions and season, but I can see why Embiid could be more appealing to scouts. By peak, I mean the times where he seems to score every shot on offense and erase everything on the defensive end. Davis had a lot of that, don't get me wrong, but Embiid's ability to take over a game for a short period of time is incredible.

I don't see it. I mean Davis had some games where he just annihilated the comp...

23 pt, 10 reb, 5 blk (10-13 FG) - his first game
27 pt, 14 reb, 7 blk (10-12 FG)
28 pt, 11 reb, 5 blk (10-11 FG)
22 pt, 8 reb, 8 blk (9-10 FG)
22 pt, 12 reb, 6 blk (9-13 FG)