2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt II

[fallacy]

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

[Jon Connor]

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

Indeed Durant barely outplayed LeBron I just had to call out your "garbage time" biased bs

[PaulieWal]

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

Sure if you wanna see it that way. Both KD and LeBron did their part by playing all-around games. But key stat is:

OKC: 16/27 from 3
Miami: 3/19 from 3 and there was a stretch where Miami missed 15 straight 3s.

Also, how many sequences were in the game where Miami had 3 or 4 straight turnovers (mostly bad passes from Cole, Bosh, Wade, Allen and a couple from LeBron)? At least 2 or 3.

You are not getting no argument from me for KD MVP but I still don't place him ahead of LeBron and this game either way didn't show anything where you can say KD is better than LeBron or LeBron is worse than KD. But I already know objectivity isn't your strong suit given that you think all of LeBron's points "came in garbage time".

[LBJ-ITALY]

Well, I'm a big Lebron's fan and now Durant is the best player in the world! maybe it will change in the PO', but right now it is Durant!

[hisairness]

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

Indeed Durant barely outplayed LeBron I just had to call out your "garbage time" biased bs

Well, I wouldn't call it exactly garbage time but Bron scored his last 5 points with 5:09 to go and Heat down by 20, the game was kind of decided by then but since he was on the floor it's not like he should have just given up and stopped shooting. KD scored first 5 points for OKC in the 4th to stretch the lead, I would call them more impactful than Brons, though we really are going into a microscopic analysis now.

[Jon Connor]

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

Indeed Durant barely outplayed LeBron I just had to call out your "garbage time" biased bs

Well, I wouldn't call it exactly garbage time but Bron scored his last 5 points with 5:09 to go and Heat down by 20, the game was kind of decided by then but since he was on the floor it's not like should have just given up and stopped shooting. KD scored first 5 points for OKC in the 4th to stretch the lead, I would call them more impactful than Brons, though we really are going into a microscopic analysis now.

They shoulda both been out of the game earlier imo. If you wanna play that game though Durant took the last "garbage time" attempted shot with 1:47 left but missed so i guess he was trying to statpad. Also they both took 4 shots in the 4th and none of them mattered.

I think people were just so mesmorized by Durant hitting tough shots during the 3rd quarter battle that they didnt notice LeBron was scoring back. That and the fact that the Thunder were winning made it seem like Durant was dominating LeBron to some people.

[NaturalThunder]

[Jon Connor]

That was smooth as hell. Gotta say it was a carry though.

[rcontador]

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

It seemed that way watching the game live, apparently it wasn't. Durant still outplayed Lebron, so i'm good either way

Eh, it was a little bit like that -- Durant's final five points came in the first few possessions of the fourth. Lebron's 7 came when his team was down 20+ with < 6 min left. It did remind me a little of game 5 of the '13 finals -- when Lebron went on a tear after his team was down 20+ -- in that Lebron's best play only seemed to come out when defeat was already guaranteed.

But I guess it's unfair to criticize him for tonight, he was quite good (not stellar) all game.

[QPR]

Still think there's a little bit of a "Durant is leading now, but if LeBron..." feeling in the media, which makes me think the award is not as clear cut as it should be. If you switched the players and LeBron was doing with KD is there would already be acceptance speeches written. Then again I guess you earn those sorts of allowances by being the best for so long.

To me not even another 27 game streak would swing it for LeBron. Since Westbrook has gone down they have established a four game lead in the West and are an Indiana loss from having the best record in the league. And he's somehow gotten even more efficient in the process. Remarkable.

[theokie]

LeBrons points during that stretch dont count though because it was garbage time. Durants are still good though.

I get you're trying to make a joke, but its a bad one. The game was still close and those possessions mattered in the third at the time.

At half: Kd - 16. LJ - 15

End of 3rd: KD - 28. LJ - 27



So where is the bad joke? Go ahead and look at the play by play. When Durant was scoring a bunch in the 3rd, LeBron was scoring right there with him. How again are LeBron's points considered in "garbage time" and Durant's arent.

Your kogic: game was still close so the possessions still mattered. They were literally equal scoring wise during that few minute stretch when they were answering eachother. LeBron went from 19 to 27 and KD went from 20 to 28.

Looking forward to an explanation from either you or Mr. "All of LeBron's points came in garbage time" Fallacy. For now on i'm just gonna say ALL of Durant's points come from fts

I'm saying LeBron didn't get all his points in garbage time like you sarcastically suggested. And that stretch in the 3rd quarter where they were trading baskets definitely wasn't garbage time.
Maybe actually read what I said instead I assuming the worst because of my username.

[nyk_buc]

Durant is easily the MVP right now. But it's laughable to say Durant outplayed Lebron.

Lebron guarded him the WHOLE game. Durant guarded him what? When it's cool? Guarding elite offensive talent takes a toll. And Lebron still put up 34 points on BETTER %. Nobody can check any great offensive player, so it's ridiculous to think Lebron can slow down Durant who's on a historic hot streak.

But have Durant guard Lebron the whole game and he's most likely on the bench in foul trouble.

The Thunder won b/c they made a FRANCHISE record 16 3s.

Next duel is in a month. Hopefully Durant guards Lebron the whole game b/c that's what we want to see.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

My biggest impression of the game is beginning of the 4th quarter when KD continued to score like in 3rd where LBJ stopped and the game was over

[nyk_buc]

My biggest impression of the game is beggining of the 4th quarter when KD contiuned to score like in 3rd where LBJ stopped and the game was over

Blame DFish for that 3. That was the dagger right there. The game was over after that.

[Thundestruck]

KD was limited guarding James after getting a couple of fouls. Smart move by Brooks. When KD did guard James he did a really nice job.

I'm having a hard time understanding how some watched the game and did not think KD outplayed him. Was it a massacre or did Lebron play bad? Of course not. Still KD had the better game. End of the day, KD brought his team into Miami and but on a beat down. KD outplayed Lebron last night.

[nyk_buc]

KD was limited guarding James after getting a couple of fouls. Smart move by Brooks. When KD did guard James he did a really nice job.

I'm having a hard time understanding how some watched the game and did not think KD outplayed him. Was it a massacre or did Lebron play bad? Of course not. Still KD had the better game. End of the day, KD brought his team into Miami and but on a beat down. KD outplayed Lebron last night.

so how did Lebron play?

34 points, 12-20fg, 9-9ft, 3boards, 3 dimes.

[Thundestruck]

Lebron played great. Nothing to hang his head about. Still he wasn't the best player on the court last night. Durant had better stats and won big on the road.

I'm not saying KD crushed Lebron but he was the better player (even if it was a small margin) last night. Lebron got outplayed. Doesn't happen often but he wasn't the best player on the court.

[bbms]

Next duel is in a month. Hopefully Durant guards Lebron the whole game b/c that's what we want to see.

He won't. Sefolosha makes 4 million dollars this year for that. Durant can't guard LeBron, LeBron can't guard Durant. It's silly and egotistic of a player to say "I was on Durant". Or "he was on LeBron". If you're giving single coverage to these guys, you are wrong and losing, simple as that.

Durant didn't score more in the fourth because it's simply wasn't necessary to sweat on double teams in a game that was already over. He just passed out of double teams all quarter, and took the shots in the flow of the offense in single coverage.

[Ozark]

Re : garbage time, this is very valid. The Reaper was done scoring early in the 4th, The Reaper's lackey scored all his 4th quarter points late.

Beyond that, I shan't deign to converse with fans of the former best player in the world. You know they are just going to morph into post-decline Kebo fans any day now.

[bbms]

After his last basket (4th quarter, 11:05 minutes to the end), Durant missed 2 three pointers and gave away 3 turnovers and LeBron had 7 points no tunrovers (last point at 3:39 to go). Really gaarbage time scoring...