Trade Ideas - Part 2

ferk · Post #1081 » by **ferk** » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:45 am

BossHoggin wrote:
ferk wrote:
fart wrote:
Your pick back+Tristan+Zeller for Gasol?

maybe a draft day deal later on if its a really high pick . pretty quick NOPE this year though.
then how exactly do you plan to get your pick back?

not sure , that's why i asked. and that deal is an easy no for memphis right now. memphis is making a push for the playoffs and have no reason to send out gasol to start a rebuild at the moment .

ThirdEyeSharp · Post #1082 » by **ThirdEyeSharp** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:38 am

Arron Afflalo would be nice.

We just don't have any valuable pieces whatsoever outside of draft picks

kiwibrindle · Post #1083 » by **kiwibrindle** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:24 pm

[quote="ThirdEyeSharp"]Arron Afflalo would be nice.

We just don't have any valuable pieces whatsoever outside of draft picks[/quote]

I don't know what Mike Brown thinks about Afflalo. If he sees them in the same light as Jack and Clark, maybe. You know he's never wrong.

Post #1084 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:09 pm

ThirdEyeSharp wrote:Arron Afflalo would be nice.

We just don't have any valuable pieces whatsoever outside of draft picks

Afflalo is overrated. He's a high usage player whose FG% is reverting to the mean. I don't think he's the answer.

ThirdEyeSharp · Post #1085 » by **ThirdEyeSharp** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:31 am

Are we allergic to success?

Afflalo is a very good defender and a very good shooter. Two of our biggest needs addressed in one player, and NOPE we can't get him. Can't have high standards when you're a bottom dweller. Afflalo is a better fit for this team than Waiters, as he is an off guard who plays like an off-guard. And his usage is high because he's Orlando's best player, he wouldn't be our best player and his usage would obviously go down.

Not every player we add is gonna be a star, it's useless trying to converse with you guys. You guys were so appalled at the idea of a Dalembert trade. Now we can't trade for Afflalo because he's a high usage player whose FG% reflects that his usage is too high for him. It's not about output, it's about the skills they possess and how they can be applied to our team.

Acting like we're too good for Dalembert or Afflalo is so funny considering how terrible our team is, neither of those players make a lot of money either. Afflalo makes less than $8M and Sammy D makes $3M. It's like you want our team to be bad. I had this same problem with fellow Browns' fans saying that they didn't want Mike Wallace because Travis Benjamin was faster. I almost hate the fans of the teams I root for.

Okada · Post #1086 » by **Okada** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:50 am

ThirdEyeSharp wrote:Are we allergic to success?

Afflalo is a very good defender and a very good shooter. Two of our biggest needs addressed in one player, and NOPE we can't get him. Can't have high standards when you're a bottom dweller. Afflalo is a better fit for this team than Waiters, as he is an off guard who plays like an off-guard. And his usage is high because he's Orlando's best player, he wouldn't be our best player and his usage would obviously go down.

Not every player we add is gonna be a star, it's useless trying to converse with you guys. You guys were so appalled at the idea of a Dalembert trade. Now we can't trade for Afflalo because he's a high usage player whose FG% reflects that his usage is too high for him. It's not about output, it's about the skills they possess and how they can be applied to our team.

Acting like we're too good for Dalembert or Afflalo is so funny considering how terrible our team is, neither of those players make a lot of money either. Afflalo makes less than $8M and Sammy D makes $3M. It's like you want our team to be bad. I had this same problem with fellow Browns' fans saying that they didn't want Mike Wallace because Travis Benjamin was faster. I almost hate the fans of the teams I root for.

I think being a fan of a terrible team (or terrible teams) makes you think your younger guys are way better than they are. Like 'Benjamin has so much speed, he can definitely become Mike Wallace!' or 'Alonzo Gee has lots of physical tools and he's improved so much, he can be a legit starter as he develops!' Stuff like that I've heard a million times and I've been guilty of it too. I think you get so used to watching all these young crappy players that you start to think of them in terms of upside rather than results.

Post #1087 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:33 am

ThirdEyeSharp wrote:Are we allergic to success?

Afflalo is a very good defender and a very good shooter. Two of our biggest needs addressed in one player, and NOPE we can't get him. Can't have high standards when you're a bottom dweller. Afflalo is a better fit for this team than Waiters, as he is an off guard who plays like an off-guard. And his usage is high because he's Orlando's best player, he wouldn't be our best player and his usage would obviously go down.

Not every player we add is gonna be a star, it's useless trying to converse with you guys. You guys were so appalled at the idea of a Dalembert trade. Now we can't trade for Afflalo because he's a high usage player whose FG% reflects that his usage is too high for him. It's not about output, it's about the skills they possess and how they can be applied to our team.

Acting like we're too good for Dalembert or Afflalo is so funny considering how terrible our team is, neither of those players make a lot of money either. Afflalo makes less than $8M and Sammy D makes $3M. It's like you want our team to be bad. I had this same problem with fellow Browns' fans saying that they didn't want Mike Wallace because Travis Benjamin was faster. I almost hate the fans of the teams I root for.

If you are going to surrender the trade assets you would have to in order to trade for Afflalo, you'd essentially be limited to improving the front court through the draft. I really think the Cavs' biggest issue is in the front court. They just don't have any real offensive presence. Every time TT plays a big front court he disappears.

ThirdEyeSharp · Post #1088 » by **ThirdEyeSharp** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:59 am

Our front court defense is our biggest problem IMO. A rim protector is needed a lot more than an offensive presence,

Afflalo would just add a dimension on the wing we don't have. It's never a bad thing to get better. No reason to argue, it seems Orlando wants to keep him and our assets are limited in what we can give them considering they probably value Oladipo more than Waiters and Thompson isn't much better than what they have. All we have is picks.

BossHoggin · Post #1089 » by **BossHoggin** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:10 am

ferk wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:
ferk wrote:
maybe a draft day deal later on if its a really high pick . pretty quick NOPE this year though.
then how exactly do you plan to get your pick back?

not sure , that's why i asked. and that deal is an easy no for memphis right now. memphis is making a push for the playoffs and have no reason to send out gasol to start a rebuild at the moment .

I can't tell if you're serious, or if you are trolling like your responses on the GB. You have nothing other than Gasol, and you know this. That's what happens when your owners are cheap.

ferk · Post #1090 » by **ferk** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:40 am

BossHoggin wrote:
ferk wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:then how exactly do you plan to get your pick back?

not sure , that's why i asked. and that deal is an easy no for memphis right now. memphis is making a push for the playoffs and have no reason to send out gasol to start a rebuild at the moment .

I can't tell if you're serious, or if you are trolling like your responses on the GB. You have nothing other than Gasol, and you know this. That's what happens when your owners are cheap.

i whole lotta nothing made the WCF and has gone 8-2 in the last 10 games watch some games dude.

Conley is a great starting pg
kk/davis are great bench bigs
Our "cheap" FO took on Lee's contract and sent out a useless bayless.

tidho · Post #1091 » by **tidho** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:59 pm

ThirdEyeSharp wrote:Our front court defense is our biggest problem IMO. A rim protector is needed a lot more than an offensive presence...

Ok, so thoughts on a BIG investment in one...

Name (this year, next year, beyond)
Larry Sanders ($3M, $11M, three more years at $11M)
Gary Neal ($3.3M, $3.3M, none)
Drew Gooden Amnest Payments ($6.7M, $6.7M, none)
-for-
Jarrett Jack ($6.3M, $6.3M, one more team option for $6.3M)
Andy Varejao ($9.1M, $9.8M team option, none)

I don't think Gooden's money would actually count in the cap calculation but Milwaukee in far enough under to absorb it. Including him just makes up for the actual cash out disparity.

For Milwaukee: They've been rumorred to want to get out of the super long Sanders deal, and definately are looking to deal Neal. Jack is an upgrade in Neal's role, and Andy is a different, but just as good defender with much more flexibility.

For Cleveland: The rim protector is here. Neal is a lesser player, but a better fit for the role Jack is playing. I think this is a reasonably nuetral move for playoff chances this year, but makes us better long term.
This is a cap savings going into next year, if the plan was to keep Andy. It doesn't stop us from resigning Deng, or some other name free agent.

Post #1092 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:06 pm

Granted is Chad Ford and he is about as accurate Brandon Weedan on a windy day, but here it is:

http://www.fearthesword.com/2014/1/30/5 ... -chad-ford

Do you move him now or hope that LBJ comes here and turns it around this summer? I honestly don't think Kyrie's an alpha. Mentally, he's more of a Bosh.

Dupp · Post #1093 » by **Dupp** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:29 pm

According to wiretap Kyrie wants out. If there's even just an element of truth trade him straight away. Don't mess about

Post #1094 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:39 pm

Dupp wrote:According to wiretap Kyrie wants out. If there's even just an element of truth trade him straight away. Don't mess about

Here's the thing: I think Kyrie will be great next to a big who is an alpha and a great passer. If you trade him before knowing whether you can get one these off season, you better get a great return.

mup · Post #1095 » by **mup** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:54 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Dupp wrote:According to wiretap Kyrie wants out. If there's even just an element of truth trade him straight away. Don't mess about

Here's the thing: I think Kyrie will be great next to a big who is an alpha and a great passer. If you trade him before knowing whether you can get one these off season, you better get a great return.

If they can get an additional top 5 pick in this draft plus something else, I'd move him in a second. For ex, if the Celtics or Lakers have the #3 through #6 pick, I'd give them Irving as long as I get their pick back (has to be some team that thinks they can sign him long-term. Bucks aren't trading for him). Draft Marcus Smart or Dante Exum with the extra pick and start over. Draft somebody else with whatever pick we have (it will be a good one) and move on with 2 stud rookies to go with the remaining crew and build again.

I've never been an Irving fan. I think he is a cancer. I have no doubt he blames every one but himself for the Cavs' record. Even worse, he's just not good enough and he will never lead the cavs anywhere. This year just proved to me that an Irving-led cavs team has a very low ceiling.

So tired of people acting like Irving is our only chance and we don't have options. Start the **** over if he's not part of the solution.

Niko23 · Post #1096 » by **Niko23** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:15 pm

Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

Post #1097 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:57 pm

Niko23 wrote:Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

I wouldn't throw in anything else for that deal.

I could see something like: Kyrie, Jack, TT or Zeller, for Vuc, 1st, Afflalo and Nelson.

BossHoggin · Post #1098 » by **BossHoggin** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:14 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Niko23 wrote:Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

I wouldn't throw in anything else for that deal.

I could see something like: Kyrie, Jack, TT or Zeller, for Vuc, 1st, Afflalo and Nelson.

So your alternative is to make it worse?

Okada · Post #1099 » by **Okada** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:20 pm

I know there's a lot of negative sentiment about Kyrie around here, but trading him shouldn't even be up for discussion yet. He may have his problems, but he's a 21 year old 2 time All Star. He's by far the safest bet for the future success of this franchise. It's way too soon to consider cutting our losses with him.

Post #1100 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:25 pm

BossHoggin wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Niko23 wrote:Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

I wouldn't throw in anything else for that deal.

I could see something like: Kyrie, Jack, TT or Zeller, for Vuc, 1st, Afflalo and Nelson.

So your alternative is to make it worse?

Afflalo gives you back the 20 ppg you are going to lose. Any trade that has Jack in the out box is better by default. I think TT is at his ceiling. He's going to be a solid role player who struggles against larger players. He's going to be extended soon or the Cavs will let him test the market as a RFA. I'm assuming that Orlando only gives up Vuc and an unprotected 1st if they get a young big back.