All-Star Reserves

[JDR720]

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Well Al got snubbed along with several others....thoughts?

[Liver_Pooty]

Johnson making it over Lowry is hilarious.

[catch20two]

I don't feel like Lillard should've made it.

[SeanBobcats]

Al Jefferson and Lowry are the two biggest snubs of the whole thing no doubt.

[fatlever]

joe johnson has been voted to the all-star game by the coaches 7 times. at least 6 of those times my response has been "how the **** did joe johnson make the all-star game?"

30 years from now teens will be arguing how joe johnson is better than reggie miller because joe johnson went to the all-star game 7 times and reggie only went five times.

just goes to show that coaches are oblivious to anything that doesnt directly concern their team at that exact moment.

[HornetJail]

Kemba, Jefferson, Lowry, Stephenson, Teague, Deng, Drummond, Afflalo, Thompson, Monroe, Vucevic, and about 64 other players all deserve all-star appearances over Joe Johnson.

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Kemba, Jefferson, Lowry, Stephenson, Teague, Deng, Drummond, Afflalo, Thompson, Monroe, Vucevic, and about 64 other players all deserve all-star appearances over Joe Johnson.

Tristan Thompson? Just curious, you listed only eastern conference players next to him.

[LamarMatic7]

Overall, the rosters aren't that bad besides the obvious error in selecting Joe Johnson. I was baffled by the TNT crew defending it. Kenny claimed that he either chooses guys from good teams (a reference to Lance) or guys with ridiculous numbers and that Iso Joe has had outstanding numbers as of late. The only problem is that the second part just isn't true. You can't look at Johnson's gamelog and see anything resembling "ridiculous numbers".

I would have gone with Lowry, then Stephenson and then Big Al in the place of Joe Johnson.

As for the Western conference, well, that's life. A whole lot of guys deserved to make it but somebody had to be left out. Props to Dragic, Conley, Cousins and Anthony Davis for putting together a fine first half of the season.

[LamarMatic7]

joe johnson has been voted to the all-star game by the coaches 7 times. at least 6 of those times my response has been "how the **** did joe johnson make the all-star game?"

30 years from now teens will be arguing how joe johnson is better than reggie miller because joe johnson went to the all-star game 7 times and reggie only went five times.

just goes to show that coaches are oblivious to anything that doesnt directly concern their team at that exact moment.

you and me think alike. I was thinking about the exact same thing while at the barber shop and couldn't wait to get out of there to compare Iso Joe's resume to Reggie Miller's. and I knew that you could have brought this up already as we have discussed Reggie's career in past scavenger hunt drafts.

Joe Johnson: 7 All-Star Games, one 3rd All-NBA Team, 7-year prime of 20.9ppg, 4.2rpg, 5.2apg, 1.0spg .449FG%.

Reggie Miller: 5 All-Star Games, three 3rd All-NBA Teams, 8-year prime of 21.4ppg, 3.2rpg, 3.5apg, 1.3spg, .486FG% (you can stretch Reggie's prime out as he was very consistent throughout his career, but I figured I go with a span similar to Joe's so the comparison is fair).

it's that simple. someone could easily look at those stats and think that Joe Johnson and Reggie Miller are on the same level.

the thing is that this discussion can go in some many directions. I think all of these statements are true to some degree and have play in this whole thing:

a) Reggie Miller is overrated;

b) Reggie had the bad luck of playing in an era of many great shooting guards (which affects his All-NBA appearances);

c) Reggie had the bad luck of playing in the same conference as Michael which left him, Joe Dumars and Steve Smith basically competing for one spot (which affects his All-Star game appearances);

d) Joe Johnson played in a bad Eastern Conference ever since his first year for Atlanta (which affects his All-Star game appearances);

e) Joe Johnson is weirdly overrated by the coaches;

f) The majority of All-Star ballots are filled out by interns upon head coaches realizing that they had to send them out the day before;

(I'm only half-joking about the last one)

The question is though - can we trust the voting process so that one can look back at the history of the league and trust the players selected to All-Star games and All-NBA teams. Or is this just a case of points b); c) and d) screwing the legacy of Reggie Miller and helping out Joe Johnson?

[LamarMatic7]

I'm waiting for what you, Fats, have to add to this and then I'll shape it in an e-mail to Simmons and make a thread on Reddit where it has the potential of turning into an interesting discussion because of the amount of people there. Or it won't ever get upvoted...

[HornetJail]

Kemba, Jefferson, Lowry, Stephenson, Teague, Deng, Drummond, Afflalo, Thompson, Monroe, Vucevic, and about 64 other players all deserve all-star appearances over Joe Johnson.

Tristan Thompson? Just curious, you listed only eastern conference players next to him.

Yes, even he deserves it over Joe Johnson. Johnson has been terrible.

[mrknowitall215]

I think some are going overboard on the disbelief that Joe Johnson has made the All-Star team. The Brooklyn Nets have been 10-2 over the month of January all the while Johnson being their best & most consistent player during that span. However, sure Kyle Lowry or maybe even Lance Stephenson should've gotten in over him, but let's not make it seem like Johnson is some kind of below average player

[thruthefire]

A given with JJ: he'll suck ass in the playoffs.

[fatlever]

good work lamar...

and you know that you and I agree about reggie miller being overrated in the context of greatest shooting guards, but he perfectly fit as an example for what i was trying to say about joe johnson. your points are 100% on the money.

im sure we could dig of dozens of really good examples of situations where player A has more all-star games than player B, but its so clearly obvious that player B is/was the better player. many times that situation is a result of fan voting. in joe johnson's case its always the coaches that are to blame.

[fatlever]

any time that the TNT crew has to discuss the NBA outside of the marquee teams of that year, they lose a ton of credibility. i dont believe for one second that guys like kenny and charles pay attention to any team that isnt being shown on their broadcasts. thats what makes guys like zach lowe so refreshing, because he can discuss the heat and the bucks equally. simmons used to be like that, but as he got more famous, he seems to have lost the time (or desire) to really look at the league outside of the marquee teams.

[LamarMatic7]

any time that the TNT crew has to discuss the NBA outside of the marquee teams of that year, they lose a ton of credibility. i dont believe for one second that guys like kenny and charles pay attention to any team that isnt being shown on their broadcasts. thats what makes guys like zach lowe so refreshing, because he can discuss the heat and the bucks equally. simmons used to be like that, but as he got more famous, he seems to have lost the time (or desire) to really look at the league outside of the marquee teams.

exactly my thoughts, I agree with everything you said.

congrats on reaching 30k posts!