Trade Ideas - Part 2

[BossHoggin]

Afflalo is mad overrated. Reminds me of Deng getting mad overrated.

[CalamityX12]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

[BossHoggin]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

Take out Dion and we can talk.

Cavs aren't trading Dion for players with question marks due large money (Lopez, Turner, etc). They can keep Dion for 2 more years and see if he can make something out of his flashes.

[CalamityX12]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

Take out Dion and we can talk.

Cavs aren't trading Dion for players with question marks due large money (Lopez, Turner, etc). They can keep Dion for 2 more years and see if he can make something out of his flashes.

Ah for me, it was about Dion coming over... I don't like Varajao.....

[Dupp]

Its a fair deal, imo. But that brook injury makes it risky for me. Plus i really liek dion but i think the value is right.

[jbk1234]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

Take out Dion and we can talk.

Cavs aren't trading Dion for players with question marks due large money (Lopez, Turner, etc). They can keep Dion for 2 more years and see if he can make something out of his flashes.

You don't even know if Lopez can come back from that injury and stay healthy. Either way, you are paying him $20 million. I'd be reluctant to trade expiring contracts for him.

[Dupp]

Brooks contract is pretty good for what he was producing the last season and a bit. Looking through the rest of their payroll though, man its a disaster.

[BossHoggin]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

Take out Dion and we can talk.

Cavs aren't trading Dion for players with question marks due large money (Lopez, Turner, etc). They can keep Dion for 2 more years and see if he can make something out of his flashes.

You don't even know if Lopez can come back from that injury and stay healthy. Either way, you are paying him $20 million. I'd be reluctant to trade expiring contracts for him.

which is why he isn't worth Waiters

[Dupp]

Wheres the 20 million figure coming from?

[Okada]

I would probably make that trade, I'm not as much of a Dion fan as most people.

[mup]

Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

We would not need to add anything of value to that deal. I would only do it once we see where the pick is. If its top 3, I pull the trigger.

[mup]

Kyrie for Nic Vuc and their 2014 1st. We can throw in something to sweeten the deal

I wouldn't throw in anything else for that deal.

I could see something like: Kyrie, Jack, TT or Zeller, for Vuc, 1st, Afflalo and Nelson.

You're giving up way too much. If we are giving them Kyrie **** Irving, we don't need to throw in Thompson or Zeller. If they don't like the deal, we move to the next bidder.

They can have Jack.

[mup]

Curious, would you Cavs fans do this deal?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=krkrw2c

When? Obviously, we wouldn't do it now with homeboy done for the season. It's premature to talk about offseason moves given that there are bigger priorities and nobody knows how Lopez' rehab looks. Given that Varejao has a team option, there is probably never a time that this makes sense unless the Nets plan to pick up the option.

So I suppose the answer is "ask again in the future when everyone is healthy.". I don't hate the deal on paper, but only an idiot would agree to that today or any time this season.

[mup]

I know there's a lot of negative sentiment about Kyrie around here, but trading him shouldn't even be up for discussion yet. He may have his problems, but he's a 21 year old 2 time All Star. He's by far the safest bet for the future success of this franchise. It's way too soon to consider cutting our losses with him.

I understand your sentiment but trading any player should always be up for discussion. Irving is good but overrated. Without all this outside noise, you still have to consider whether a team centered around Irving on a cap-killing max contract is a championship contender. If it is not, you have to look at your options.

It's a value judgment, not necessarily an indictment on the player. So even if Irving is completely on board with an extension, you have to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine what's better for the team long term: (1) Irving on a huge max contract; or (2) the pieces you could get for him. You only know what category 2 consists of if trading him is "up for discussion" and you're trolling the waters.

If a gm is just blindly diving into category 1 with any player who isn't Lebron James or Shaq or Kevin Durant (i.e., a player who has demonstrated he can be the centerpiece of a championship contender) then he truly is incompetent. Irving has proven nothing, so you don't just dive into a max contract with him without considered analysis and knowing what you're passing up trade-wise by keeping him.

[Okada]

I know there's a lot of negative sentiment about Kyrie around here, but trading him shouldn't even be up for discussion yet. He may have his problems, but he's a 21 year old 2 time All Star. He's by far the safest bet for the future success of this franchise. It's way too soon to consider cutting our losses with him.

I understand your sentiment but trading any player should always be up for discussion. Irving is good but overrated. Without all this outside noise, you still have to consider whether a team centered around Irving on a cap-killing max contract is a championship contender. If it is not, you have to look at your options.

It's a value judgment, not necessarily an indictment on the player. So even if Irving is completely on board with an extension, you have to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine what's better for the team long term: (1) Irving on a huge max contract; or (2) the pieces you could get for him. You only know what category 2 consists of if trading him is "up for discussion" and you're trolling the waters.

If a gm is just blindly diving into category 1 with any player who isn't Lebron James or Shaq or Kevin Durant (i.e., a player who has demonstrated he can be the centerpiece of a championship contender) then he truly is incompetent. Irving has proven nothing, so you don't just dive into a max contract with him without considered analysis and knowing what you're passing up trade-wise by keeping him.

That's still not a valid way of looking at it given that he's 21 years old. You could probably count the number of guys who in-the-moment looked like the best player on a championship team at 21 years old on one hand. No one knows, what we do know is that he could be and you're not going to just up and replace him with someone who gives you a better chance. He's the meal ticket. Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't, but we're way too soon to even consider cashing out. Way too soon. It's incompetent of you to suggest so and you clearly don't understand how acquiring that kind of talent works either.

[jbk1234]

I know there's a lot of negative sentiment about Kyrie around here, but trading him shouldn't even be up for discussion yet. He may have his problems, but he's a 21 year old 2 time All Star. He's by far the safest bet for the future success of this franchise. It's way too soon to consider cutting our losses with him.

I understand your sentiment but trading any player should always be up for discussion. Irving is good but overrated. Without all this outside noise, you still have to consider whether a team centered around Irving on a cap-killing max contract is a championship contender. If it is not, you have to look at your options.

It's a value judgment, not necessarily an indictment on the player. So even if Irving is completely on board with an extension, you have to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine what's better for the team long term: (1) Irving on a huge max contract; or (2) the pieces you could get for him. You only know what category 2 consists of if trading him is "up for discussion" and you're trolling the waters.

If a gm is just blindly diving into category 1 with any player who isn't Lebron James or Shaq or Kevin Durant (i.e., a player who has demonstrated he can be the centerpiece of a championship contender) then he truly is incompetent. Irving has proven nothing, so you don't just dive into a max contract with him without considered analysis and knowing what you're passing up trade-wise by keeping him.

That's still not a valid way of looking at it given that he's 21 years old. You could probably count the number of guys who in-the-moment looked like the best player on a championship team at 21 years old on one hand. No one knows, what we do know is that he could be and you're not going to just up and replace him with someone who gives you a better chance. He's the meal ticket. Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't, but we're way too soon to even consider cashing out. Way too soon. It's incompetent of you to suggest so and you clearly don't understand how acquiring that kind of talent works either.

I think that there is an emotional aspect of Irving that needs to be separated from whether he will turn down a max extension. He needs to play next to another alpha for a myriad of reasons. If the Cavs can't get him one by end of this summer, then they should think long and hard about moving him. Neither he nor the Cavs should want Irving on another rebuilding team next season. I don't want a pouting "team leader" who only stayed because of the money.

[Okada]

I think that there is an emotional aspect of Irving that needs to be separated from whether he will turn down a max extension. He needs to play next to another alpha for a myriad of reasons. If the Cavs can't get him one by end of this summer, then they should think long and hard about moving him. Neither he nor the Cavs should want Irving on another rebuilding team next season. I don't want a pouting "team leader" who only stayed because of the money.

It'd be a huge shock if he did turn it down, I really don't see that happening. You very well may be right about Kyrie but the thing is, finding a player like him can really only be done through tanking all over again, picking high all over again for several years, and crossing your fingers that whoever you get is better than him. And that's far from a guarantee. 21 year old 2 time All Stars aren't available anywhere except a high draft pick, essentially, ever.

[jbk1234]

I think that there is an emotional aspect of Irving that needs to be separated from whether he will turn down a max extension. He needs to play next to another alpha for a myriad of reasons. If the Cavs can't get him one by end of this summer, then they should think long and hard about moving him. Neither he nor the Cavs should want Irving on another rebuilding team next season. I don't want a pouting "team leader" who only stayed because of the money.

It'd be a huge shock if he did turn it down, I really don't see that happening. You very well may be right about Kyrie but the thing is, finding a player like him can really only be done through tanking all over again, picking high all over again for several years, and crossing your fingers that whoever you get is better than him. And that's far from a guarantee. 21 year old 2 time All Stars aren't available anywhere except a high draft pick, essentially, ever.

I think Kyrie has immense offensive talent. I think he's a legitimate all star. I'll skip what I think his basketball deficiencies are and just say that I don't think its in the Cavs, or his best interest, to keep him on a bad team for years from an emotional perspective. I think he needs a true alpha next to him to realize his potential. My preference is to try to get that alpha. But I'm seeing a bit of the quit from him right now and that isn't good for the franchise or Kyrie in the long run.

[basketface]

Kyrie for rondo?

[fart]

Kyrie for rondo?

Throw in their unprotected 2014 1st and it's a deal.