possible landing spot for smith

jakebernat · Post #1 » by **jakebernat** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:32 pm

okay, i thought this one through thoroughly. the bobcats are in need of a defensive PF to pair with jefferson. what better could they do than smith? also, since jeff taylor went down, they've been seeking help on the wings. here is the deal i came up with: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m34uv8a

we trade smith, stuckey, and singler to the bobcats for ben gordon's expiring deal, ramon sessions expiring deal (though i wouldn't be opposed to keeping him around), and MKG. maybe if dumars is a charmer, he'd be able to squeeze some draft considerations out of the deal.

in essence, if you want to boil it down to this, we'd be giving up our protected 1st rounder (top-8 in 2014, top-1 in 2015, and unprotected in 2016) for MKG. that's not at all a bad trade off considering we were looking at a 54 million dollar mistake AND no draft pick on top of that.

tanking would still be in order, however, as MKG would probably be just as poor a fit as smith on offense with monroe and drummond. however, kidd-gilchrist has a much lower usage rate, so we'd be able to feature monroe on offense and see what he can really do paired with drummond full-time. MKG would be able to focus the majority of his effort on perimeter defense where he is actually more effective than smith at guarding opposing SF's (smith gives up a PER of 17.9 whereas MKG gives up a PER of 13.4).

we could play through the season with a young, talented, and financially flexible roster. kidd-gilchrist has a relentless motor and will undoubtedly see his jumper continue to improve. as it stands now, he's getting more and more comfortable from mid-range. also, he is much more self-aware than smith. he might not be able to shoot the lights out, but he knows that, and he won't force anything. that alone should be addition by subtraction.

if we decide monroe is still a poor fit with what we're trying to do (defense), then we can move him in the offseason in a sign & trade instead of selling him for 50 cents on the dollar.

what do you guys think?

BadMofoPimp · Post #2 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:53 pm

I would do that deal if you change out Singler for someone else like Bynum or Jerebko.

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:57 pm

We save money AND add a young prospect?

I'd be thrilled with one of those two things for Smith. No way does the same team that managed to gain a first rounder the price of ONE year of BG's deal give us this sort of deal. That GM knows he can take Joe D to the cleaners.

Piston Pete · Post #4 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:09 pm

Yeah, swap out Singler for Bynum:

Smith, Stuckey, Bynum

for

MKG, Gordon, Sessions

Neptune · Post #5 » by **Neptune** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:45 pm

Haha, no

Dre Drummond · Post #6 » by **Dre Drummond** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:34 pm

We certainly may have to package Stuckey with Smith to get rid of him... and take back a contract or two that isn't great. Only teams who are looking to make a playoff run would have interest...

Here are a few options.

Smith + Stuckey to Charlotte for Gordon + Sessions
Smith + Stuckey to Toronto for Salmons + Fields + Novak
Smith + Stuckey to Washington for Nene + Webster
Smith + Stuckey to Indiana for Granger + Mahinmi
Smith + Stuckey to Phoenix for Okafor + Frye(Not sure if they would want to trade Frye)
Smith + Stuckey to New York for Amare + Hardaway Jr.

Post #7 » by **dVs33** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:46 pm

I think Toronto would have been a good landing spot for Smith, but Ujiri is probably too smart for that.
Something based around Smith and one of bynum, CV, Jerebko for Vasquez, Novak and Fields would work.

paQo the BAWSER · Post #8 » by **paQo the BAWSER** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 12:19 am

I'll repeat one more time. Smith to NYK or to CHA. Ainge is trying to take bad contracts from the Celtics, he doesn't want the Smith contract.

NYK we could get Shumpert, who is a 3&D guy and he can play the SF, and Amare's horrible contract, but is 2 years less than the Smith.

CHA we could get Ben Gordon, who is an ex player, but we need shooters and he is, right? and I don't think he could do it worse than Billups/Bynum, and he is a better fit than Stuckey. And get MKG, who can't shoot a ****, but he is a pretty good defender and he's too young too.

Defor · Post #9 » by **Defor** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 1:59 am

To get Smith off our roster I'd sign off on any of those deals.

ImHeisenberg · Post #10 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 2:09 am

I love all the trade ideas where people want to trade back for Ben Gordon. :lol:

Dumars will NEVER trade for Gordon, that would make him the laughing stock of the league. Well, more so than he already is. Also, give up the idea of getting the rights to that draft pick back, Charlotte's not biting.

DBC10 · Post #11 » by **DBC10** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 2:47 am

I'd rather have Royce White over Smith right now.

Yeah exactly. Who?

jakebernat · Post #12 » by **jakebernat** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 9:52 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:I love all the trade ideas where people want to trade back for Ben Gordon.

Dumars will NEVER trade for Gordon, that would make him the laughing stock of the league. Well, more so than he already is. Also, give up the idea of getting the rights to that draft pick back, Charlotte's not biting.

that's why i included MKG and sessions in mine. obviously dumars wouldn't trade smith for gordon straight up. that'd be arguably the most counterproductive trade in history lol

haulerch · Post #13 » by **haulerch** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 4:42 pm

We just all need to come together and get over the fact that NOBODY is going to trade for Josh Smith unless Andre Drummond is packaged with him! It just isn't going to happen fellas. All we can do is hope that management adds a shooter to take some shots away from Smith.

Liver_Pooty · Post #14 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:08 pm

Bobcats have no interest in Josh Smith, at all.

ComboGuardCity · Post #15 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:04 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Bobcats have no interest in Josh Smith, at all.

Says who? I know its a long shot and wishful thinking, but lets be real here...none of know his has interest and who doesn't. At the very least, this trade is equal value talent wise.

Liver_Pooty · Post #16 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:16 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Bobcats have no interest in Josh Smith, at all.

Says who? I know its a long shot and wishful thinking, but lets be real here...none of know his has interest and who doesn't. At the very least, this trade is equal value talent wise.

Long shot and wishful thinking would be correct.
Edit: Guy is definitely talented, I just hate and despise the way he plays.

DetroitSho · Post #17 » by **DetroitSho** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:22 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Bobcats have no interest in Josh Smith, at all.

Says who? I know its a long shot and wishful thinking, but lets be real here...none of know his has interest and who doesn't. At the very least, this trade is equal value talent wise.

Long shot and wishful thinking would be correct.
Edit: Guy is definitely talented, I just hate and despise the way he plays.

Don't worry about the way he plays. Many on here believe if you just moved him to the 4 he'd live in the post, wouldn't take long jumpers and would miraculously acquire the IQ rivaling Tim Duncan.
/sarcasm

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ComboGuardCity · Post #18 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:27 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Bobcats have no interest in Josh Smith, at all.

Says who? I know its a long shot and wishful thinking, but lets be real here...none of know his has interest and who doesn't. At the very least, this trade is equal value talent wise.

Long shot and wishful thinking would be correct.

But to say the Bobcats would have no interest is wrong. The problem is Joe Dumars if anything.

This is my version of the deal:

CHA Out: MKG, Ben Gordon
CHA In: Josh Smith/Caron Butler

Why for Charlotte:
They're trying to make the playoffs and this trade makes them a top 3 defensive team while bolstering their bench. MKG has been a huge disappointment and will not fit with Kemba/Al Jeff/Henderson. One of the non-shooters has to go and its MKG IMO.

MIL Out: Caron, Gary Neal
MIL IN: Ben Gordon

Why? They're tanking. They don't want Neal. They get out of his contract by being a 3rd party.

Det Out: Josh Smith:
Detroit in: MKG, Neal

Why? They get a Shooter in Neal and get rid of Josh Smith. They also can see if they can salvage MKG's confidence.

I would see Cho jumping all over that. He's not getting anybody in free agency and MJ is itching to win.

I HATE Josh Smith on the Pistons and we don't have the culture to get him to stop doing what he's doing. All our guys are young and aren't born leaders. Bobcats have Kemba and Al Jeff who WILL supersede Josh in the pecking order. Josh will be the 3rd option by default because the Bobcats are actually winning and Clifford isn't a doormat.

DBC10 · Post #19 » by **DBC10** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:37 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
ComboGuardCity wrote:Says who? I know its a long shot and wishful thinking, but lets be real here...none of know his has interest and who doesn't. At the very least, this trade is equal value talent wise.

Long shot and wishful thinking would be correct.

But to say the Bobcats would have no interest is wrong. The problem is Joe Dumars if anything.

This is my version of the deal:

CHA Out: MKG, Ben Gordon
CHA In: Josh Smith/Caron Butler

Why for Charlotte:
They're trying to make the playoffs and this trade makes them a top 3 defensive team while bolstering their bench. MKG has been a huge disappointment and will not fit with Kemba/Al Jeff/Henderson. One of the non-shooters has to go and its MKG IMO.

MIL Out: Caron, Gary Neal
MIL IN: Ben Gordon

Why? They're tanking. They don't want Neal. They get out of his contract by being a 3rd party.

Det Out: Josh Smith:
Detroit in: MKG, Neal

Why? They get a Shooter in Neal and get rid of Josh Smith. They also can see if they can salvage MKG's confidence.

I would see Cho jumping all over that. He's not getting anybody in free agency and MJ is itching to win.

I HATE Josh Smith on the Pistons and we don't have the culture to get him to stop doing what he's doing. All our guys are young and aren't born leaders. Bobcats have Kemba and Al Jeff who WILL supersede Josh in the pecking order. Josh will be the 3rd option by default because the Bobcats are actually winning and Clifford isn't a doormat.

Josh Smith on the Bobcats would actually fit with their defensive juggernaut philosophy. Clifford made them almost into the Bulls like territory. And every shot can just go to Kemba/Henderson/Al anyways.

jakebernat · Post #20 » by **jakebernat** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 7:43 pm

i hate how people act as if josh smith is suddenly some scrub that can't play basketball. honestly, if we didn't have drummond, i would love smith at the 4. okay, maybe not love, but people definitely wouldn't be talking about scrapping him for whatever we can get.

bottom line, dude is a borderline all star when you are able to play to his strengths. he would be a great fit in charlotte...