2013-14 German Bundesliga Thread: Bayern Champs Again

[KF10]

Guardado started as a LB early in his career with Atlas (Mexican team) before he converted to winger with Deportivo and then converted back to LB with Valencia.

Guardado is predictable as a winger and doesn't take on guys one on one consistently anymore. Guardado can play LB and gives a team a solid contribution. He embodies a lot of the attributes needed to be successful there: stamina, work rate, fitness, pace, team work, crossing, dribbling and tackling.

[Foye]

Well, he doesn't have to be very good to be an improvement over Boenisch. So I guess that move can only turn out positive for him and Leverkusen.

[cgf]

Boenisch isn't particularly good, but he's not awful and does a fine job defensively. He just does nothing moving forward, so Guardado can be a more attacking alternative for the many league matches where Leverkusen are the team stuck having to make the game.

[Point forward]

Somewhat OT: the well known BL site transfermarkt DOT de has listed "the best almost transfers in BL history". Some gems:

* Stuttgart had the choice between two Brazilian talents, Ronaldo (the Fenomeno guy) and Giovane Elber. They snubbed Fenomeno, but to their credit, Elber was not THAT bad either.

* Dortmund almost nabbed Ronaldinho, but at the last moment, Ronaldinho backed off b/c he was "not confident enough he could get playing time next to Rosicky, Heinrich and Oliseh".

* 1. FC Kaiserslautern was near to signing Cambiasso (I remember that!), but Cambiasso at the last moment deciced he was "not THAT desperate" to get playing time. Clever guy

* 1. FC Saarbrücken was offered a French teenager called Michel Platini, but he was turned down b/c he was "built like a twig".

* Werder Bremen has some hilarious stories. In the 1990s, they had a shot of buying a 18 year old talent called Andriy Shevchenko, but bought "the more experienced" Jurij Maximov instead. Same thing when they wanted a reserve GK: it was either Jakub Wierzowski (sp?) or Petr Cech, and they let Cech go. They also turned down teens Christian Ziege and Michael Ballack b/c they were "not good enough". To their credit, the guys they took instead (Frings, Basler, Eilts, Bode, Ismael, Micoud, Rufer etc.) were not much worse to say the least.

* In the 1960s, the richest BL club at that time (Hannover 96) tried to land Pelé. The transfer bombs b/c the Brazilian government declares him a "national treasure" which must not play anywhere else.

[Foye]

Werder is getting Obraniak from Bordeaux. Good for them they lack solid.midfielders with the exception of Hunt.

[Foye]

Diego to Atletico Madrid. Not sure why Wolfsburg give him away for below 2 mil. € when they want to make a push for the CL spots. Seems like a terrible move.

[cgf]

Diego to Atletico Madrid. Not sure why Wolfsburg give him away for below 2 mil. € when they want to make a push for the CL spots. Seems like a terrible move.

Well Diego has been complaining about having to play on the wing a lot. Maybe he threw a hissyfit to be let go?

[Foye]

Diego to Atletico Madrid. Not sure why Wolfsburg give him away for below 2 mil. € when they want to make a push for the CL spots. Seems like a terrible move.

Well Diego has been complaining about having to play on the wing a lot. Maybe he threw a hissyfit to be let go?

Diego is a whiny diva. His performances this season certainly weren't great but he still could've helped Wolfsburg in the 2nd leg of the season. I mean they want to go to the CL but are basically giving away a solid player for nothing instead of just rolling the dice hoping he helps them to finish at least 4th.

But nevermind.

[cgf]

I think they're more concerned with the disunity he would sow.

[Maex]

PE firm K.K.R buys 9.7% of Hertha BSC Berlin for €61.2m ($82.6m), which would equal a total club value of €631m ($851m).

To get some compareables: according to Forbes, Bayern is rated at €1,03bn ($1,3bn). The average of the worldwide top 20 clubs is $968m. The Glazers bought Manchester United for $1,47bn in 2005.

I am not sure if KKR knows what they are doing, or if they are familiar with the situation of Hertha. Maybe they thought that this would be actually a cheap price for a capital club, but they didn't consider that more than half of Berlin hate the club.

No wonder that Hertha's CFO called it the best day since he took the job.

[cgf]

I'll be so pissed if that turns Hertha into a big spending club. Not that I hate them, but it's nice to see them fail with their atmosphere less mega-stadium.

Plus this puts just another opponent of the 50+1 rule into the BuLi for when RB Leipzig make it to the first league and the issue gets put to the test.

[Foye]

I'll be so pissed if that turns Hertha into a big spending club. Not that I hate them, but it's nice to see them fail with their atmosphere less mega-stadium.

Plus this puts just another opponent of the 50+1 rule into the BuLi for when RB Leipzig make it to the first league and the issue gets put to the test.

Hertha's gonna use 37 mil. to pay off debts. So we probably won't see any big transfers from them.

Actually, long-term that move will probably hurt Hertha more than it benefits. KKR will want to see a return for their investment. They are not a Sheikh looking for a toy. They are a business company and want to make money.

[Foye]

PE firm K.K.R buys 9.7% of Hertha BSC Berlin for €61.2m ($82.6m), which would equal a total club value of €631m ($851m).

That is not correct. They bought 9.7% for 21 mil. €. Why they get the other 40 mil. € I don't know, though.

[cgf]

I'll be so pissed if that turns Hertha into a big spending club. Not that I hate them, but it's nice to see them fail with their atmosphere less mega-stadium.

Plus this puts just another opponent of the 50+1 rule into the BuLi for when RB Leipzig make it to the first league and the issue gets put to the test.

Hertha's gonna use 37 mil. to pay off debts. So we probably won't see any big transfers from them.

Actually, long-term that move will probably hurt Hertha more than it benefits. KKR will want to see a return for their investment. They are not a Sheikh looking for a toy. They are a business company and want to make money.

Firstly, paying off debts frees up revenues to be spent.

But mostly they are also a business that makes a lot of long term moves, and in this case one can't help but think that they are starting to position themselves for when RB arrives in the pros and the 50+1 rule is challenged head on. Especially since the way the hannover thing worked out last time the rule was challenged opened the door for others to use the Leverkusen and Wolfsburg loopholes to take over clubs that they've been supporting significantly. So if starting to invest in the capital city club in the fastest growing league now on a lower level (in global footballing terms) allows them to take over the club in the next 5 years, they can make a lot of money then selling that team.

But there's still a lot more I want to read about this.

[Foye]

Hamburg tries to fix their defensive problems by signing SKY moderator Patrick Owomoyela out of retirement.

Why not offer Christoph Metzelder a contract as well?

Btw. here is Owomoyela's performance data for 2012/13:

[Foye]

I'll be so pissed if that turns Hertha into a big spending club. Not that I hate them, but it's nice to see them fail with their atmosphere less mega-stadium.

Plus this puts just another opponent of the 50+1 rule into the BuLi for when RB Leipzig make it to the first league and the issue gets put to the test.

Hertha's gonna use 37 mil. to pay off debts. So we probably won't see any big transfers from them.

Actually, long-term that move will probably hurt Hertha more than it benefits. KKR will want to see a return for their investment. They are not a Sheikh looking for a toy. They are a business company and want to make money.

Firstly, paying off debts frees up revenues to be spent.

Yes, but they won't be all of a sudden be able to do 10+ mil. € transfers each season just because they got rid of their debts.

[Maex]

PE firm K.K.R buys 9.7% of Hertha BSC Berlin for €61.2m ($82.6m), which would equal a total club value of €631m ($851m).

That is not correct. They bought 9.7% for 21 mil. €. Why they get the other 40 mil. € I don't know, though.

Where do you get the €21m from. I do see that it makes sense, because the announcements alwasys worded that the invest 61.2 which is including the 9.7% stake. But I didn't find details, so that would be interesting. I guess the rest is for marketing purposes. KKR is traditionally investing a lot in Germany and Germany isn't one of the PE friendliest countries, so this could be useful.

A evaluation of €21m for nearly 10% would be actually quite reasonable.

[cgf]

Hertha's gonna use 37 mil. to pay off debts. So we probably won't see any big transfers from them.

Actually, long-term that move will probably hurt Hertha more than it benefits. KKR will want to see a return for their investment. They are not a Sheikh looking for a toy. They are a business company and want to make money.

Firstly, paying off debts frees up revenues to be spent.

Yes, but they won't be all of a sudden be able to do 10+ mil. € transfers each season just because they got rid of their debts.

Not right away, but with Hannover only 4 years away from being able to be taken over by their backer, and RB coming up fast, 50+1 will face harsh challenges in the not so distant future that could lead to this initial investment increasing massively.

And Herhta have had to be very cheap in recent years, being able to spend some money, even if it's not regularly huge money, would still be disappointing for me to see.

[Foye]

PE firm K.K.R buys 9.7% of Hertha BSC Berlin for €61.2m ($82.6m), which would equal a total club value of €631m ($851m).

That is not correct. They bought 9.7% for 21 mil. €. Why they get the other 40 mil. € I don't know, though.

Where do you get the €21m from. I do see that it makes sense, because the announcements alwasys worded that the invest 61.2 which is including the 9.7% stake. But I didn't find details, so that would be interesting. I guess the rest is for marketing purposes. KKR is traditionally investing a lot in Germany and Germany isn't one of the PE friendliest countries, so this could be useful.

A evaluation of €21m for nearly 10% would be actually quite reasonable.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/sport/fussball-hertha-feiert-612-millionen-investition-meilenstein-1645950

[Maex]

That is not correct. They bought 9.7% for 21 mil. €. Why they get the other 40 mil. € I don't know, though.

Where do you get the €21m from. I do see that it makes sense, because the announcements alwasys worded that the invest 61.2 which is including the 9.7% stake. But I didn't find details, so that would be interesting. I guess the rest is for marketing purposes. KKR is traditionally investing a lot in Germany and Germany isn't one of the PE friendliest countries, so this could be useful.

A evaluation of €21m for nearly 10% would be actually quite reasonable.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/sport/fussball-hertha-feiert-612-millionen-investition-meilenstein-1645950

Thanks! Than it really sounds like a good deal for both sides (without knowing further details).