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Heat3Peat wrote:See this is why it's nice being a LeBron fan, no super hard allegiance to a team so there is no up and down emotions with me during a time like this.
BossHoggin wrote:Bennett scores 20 points in a blowout loss. Or doesn't play.
cold5 wrote:Suns fan here just wondering how the second era of Brown came to pass. As an outsider, the Cavs' problems appear to start at the top- with Gilbert. It seems that so many of the same kind of questionable moves that were made during the Lebron era are still being made-- surrounding the star player with mediocrity and continually re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic and never getting another star to play with him. Only this time, considering that Kyrie's not a fourth of the player that Lebron is/was, the team is much worse as a result. So I have to wonder how much of a role Gilbert has in decision-making. And it's apparent to just about everyone that Brown is ill-equipped to be a head coach in the NBA. Poor at making adjustments, running an offense, or actually leading the team. The contrast between the Suns and the Cavs is remarkable--while Dragic's skills as a point guard are probably superior to Kyrie's at this point (I will grant you that Kyrie's scoring abilities may be superior), the Suns roster wouldn't appear to have much more talent than the Cavs does at a glance (although they probably fit together much more as a team than the Cavs' ill-assembled roster does). But the results are clearly incredibly different- Hornacek with the Cavs roster is in the playoffs no doubt, maybe even 5-10+ .500. Even Dwane Casey, a coach many mocked at the beginning of the year and a guy who has a similar reputation to Brown-defense first at the expense of offense-would probably have this team doing better. I don't know how anyone could want Mike Brown to be their head coach. He's probably a fine defensive assistant but his lack of competence on the offensive end is staggering. When I saw them play the injured Bulls earlier this year, their ball movement and shot selection was pitifully bad in comparison to a team with D.J. Augustin and Tony Snell running most of the offense. Yet another example of how coaching actually does matter. I hope you guys can right the ship. And if you can't, I think people in Cleveland need to really start examining Gilbert. That guy is clearly at fault for many of this team's flaws and I think that history will show that he played a real role in Lebron's departure.
Dupp wrote:Remember how happy we were when scott got fired.... Jokes on us
Rise Against wrote:cold5 wrote:Suns fan here just wondering how the second era of Brown came to pass. As an outsider, the Cavs' problems appear to start at the top- with Gilbert. It seems that so many of the same kind of questionable moves that were made during the Lebron era are still being made-- surrounding the star player with mediocrity and continually re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic and never getting another star to play with him. Only this time, considering that Kyrie's not a fourth of the player that Lebron is/was, the team is much worse as a result. So I have to wonder how much of a role Gilbert has in decision-making. And it's apparent to just about everyone that Brown is ill-equipped to be a head coach in the NBA. Poor at making adjustments, running an offense, or actually leading the team. The contrast between the Suns and the Cavs is remarkable--while Dragic's skills as a point guard are probably superior to Kyrie's at this point (I will grant you that Kyrie's scoring abilities may be superior), the Suns roster wouldn't appear to have much more talent than the Cavs does at a glance (although they probably fit together much more as a team than the Cavs' ill-assembled roster does). But the results are clearly incredibly different- Hornacek with the Cavs roster is in the playoffs no doubt, maybe even 5-10+ .500. Even Dwane Casey, a coach many mocked at the beginning of the year and a guy who has a similar reputation to Brown-defense first at the expense of offense-would probably have this team doing better. I don't know how anyone could want Mike Brown to be their head coach. He's probably a fine defensive assistant but his lack of competence on the offensive end is staggering. When I saw them play the injured Bulls earlier this year, their ball movement and shot selection was pitifully bad in comparison to a team with D.J. Augustin and Tony Snell running most of the offense. Yet another example of how coaching actually does matter. I hope you guys can right the ship. And if you can't, I think people in Cleveland need to really start examining Gilbert. That guy is clearly at fault for many of this team's flaws and I think that history will show that he played a real role in Lebron's departure.
I don't understand how any of this is Dan Gilbert's fault. He is the owner.. He isn't the one assembling the team and coaches. Maybe you are talking about Chris Grant, the general manager? Gilbert has been patient with this team for years now, even after the LeBron departure.. He is willing to spend big bucks to put the Cavs into playoff contention.. On paper, people would think that the team would get better each year, but they are actually worst this year with a much better roster than previous seasons.. And it's quite evident we know the reason why and you just said it yourself. The coach.
Dupp wrote:It's his job to create team chemistry, he hasn't. We have half decent talent but are still a horrible team. That's on the coach more than anybody . Not to mention his horrible rotations and adjustments. Brown is a major problem clearly or we would have gelled even just a tiny bit. There's been no signs of this team becoming a team.
cold5 wrote:Rise Against wrote:cold5 wrote:Suns fan here just wondering how the second era of Brown came to pass. As an outsider, the Cavs' problems appear to start at the top- with Gilbert. It seems that so many of the same kind of questionable moves that were made during the Lebron era are still being made-- surrounding the star player with mediocrity and continually re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic and never getting another star to play with him. Only this time, considering that Kyrie's not a fourth of the player that Lebron is/was, the team is much worse as a result. So I have to wonder how much of a role Gilbert has in decision-making. And it's apparent to just about everyone that Brown is ill-equipped to be a head coach in the NBA. Poor at making adjustments, running an offense, or actually leading the team. The contrast between the Suns and the Cavs is remarkable--while Dragic's skills as a point guard are probably superior to Kyrie's at this point (I will grant you that Kyrie's scoring abilities may be superior), the Suns roster wouldn't appear to have much more talent than the Cavs does at a glance (although they probably fit together much more as a team than the Cavs' ill-assembled roster does). But the results are clearly incredibly different- Hornacek with the Cavs roster is in the playoffs no doubt, maybe even 5-10+ .500. Even Dwane Casey, a coach many mocked at the beginning of the year and a guy who has a similar reputation to Brown-defense first at the expense of offense-would probably have this team doing better. I don't know how anyone could want Mike Brown to be their head coach. He's probably a fine defensive assistant but his lack of competence on the offensive end is staggering. When I saw them play the injured Bulls earlier this year, their ball movement and shot selection was pitifully bad in comparison to a team with D.J. Augustin and Tony Snell running most of the offense. Yet another example of how coaching actually does matter. I hope you guys can right the ship. And if you can't, I think people in Cleveland need to really start examining Gilbert. That guy is clearly at fault for many of this team's flaws and I think that history will show that he played a real role in Lebron's departure.
I don't understand how any of this is Dan Gilbert's fault. He is the owner.. He isn't the one assembling the team and coaches. Maybe you are talking about Chris Grant, the general manager? Gilbert has been patient with this team for years now, even after the LeBron departure.. He is willing to spend big bucks to put the Cavs into playoff contention.. On paper, people would think that the team would get better each year, but they are actually worst this year with a much better roster than previous seasons.. And it's quite evident we know the reason why and you just said it yourself. The coach.
Didn't Gilbert push to hire Mike Brown again? And I blame him because of the bad will he's instilled around the league with his involvement in the CP3 affair and obviously the letter. Almost certainly has left a bad taste in free agents and agents' mouths. He can't seem to keep his mouth shut. Badmouthing Tom Gores about not coming to meetings? Great way for the Pistons and other owners to know who not to do business with. And he's made the hiring decisions. I'm also intuiting that he played a role in some of Ferry's poor decisions, as Ferry seems to have done a much better job in Atlanta. That letter, agree with the content or not, forced Gilbert to put his money where his mouth was and prematurely speed up the Cavs' rebuilding. As Bill Simmons has pointed out, that Deng trade didn't seem like it was spurred by Grant--it came from an ill-conceived mandate by Gilbert to make the playoffs no matter what this season. Gilbert shouldn't be so patient with Grant and Brown. The two of them have no idea what to do with this team or any of its assets.