Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[youngthegiant]

Denver Trades: Hickson, Andre Miller, Randy Foye

New York Trades: Shumpert, Udrih, Bargnani

[Marty McFly]

Denver Trades: Hickson, Andre Miller, Randy Foye

New York Trades: Shumpert, Udrih, Bargnani

no thanks. foye and hickson go past 2015.

[Marty McFly]

damn. anthony bennet has a per of 2.1? wow.

too much or too little for us?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mdtakc2

the only thing of value here is adams. waiters is just another jr

i think there's enough there that he can turn into a really good player, at the very least, he's a chip I'd like to get, hoping he improves in order to move him for a pg down the line.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Denver Trades: Hickson, Andre Miller, Randy Foye

New York Trades: Shumpert, Udrih, Bargnani

no thanks. foye and hickson go past 2015.

This whole 2015 thing, if the Knicks are sticking to it, I think means Melo is gone. The end of this season, the Knicks will basically be telling him he needs to waste another one of his prime years in the hope some FA's will be signed the following season.

Not saying this deal is good, just occurred to me that's what the whole 2015 thing means.

[Marty McFly]

Denver Trades: Hickson, Andre Miller, Randy Foye

New York Trades: Shumpert, Udrih, Bargnani

no thanks. foye and hickson go past 2015.

This whole 2015 thing, if the Knicks are sticking to it, I think means Melo is gone. The end of this season, the Knicks will basically be telling him he needs to waste another one of his prime years in the hope some FA's will be signed the following season.

Not saying this deal is good, just occurred to me that's what the whole 2015 thing means.

it's the lesser of two evils. taking on another teams expensive castaways isn't the best way, and that's pretty much the alternative.

[R-DAWG]

All the more reason why you go get your PG before you worry about getting a guy like Thad Young tho right? Not sure how you can tell he's capable of being a 3rd option on a championship team when he's never been close to playing on a contending team but lets say that he is: you still believe we need a PG and thats gotta be first, second and third priority. Not winning a chip with thad young if there is not an elite pg on this team.

highlighted is an absolute truth.
but I believe a FO has to keep an eye out for opportunities. when and if we make the move for that pt guard or max player(s), we'll only be able to sign players other teams don't want.
only reason a player like Thad is available is b/c Philly is in rebuild mode, he's a tweener, and probably getting paid a little more than he's worth. A player like that for the knicks is worth picking up, especially since Shump will be included in any trade getting a worthwhile player.

Also, that Doug Collins coached philly team( the year b4 they traded for Bynum) was pretty good in their own right, and Thad delivered. that's where I developed my nbaplayer crush on him--- besides just liking his game, versatiliy,and stats.

let me also add, we don't have enough assets to get a legitimate player. so someone like Rondo is going to have to force his way here, so as long as we don't trade Amare, Shump, and maybe Tyson we should be good in that respect.

Thad is actually a perfect fit next to Melo. Let's be honest, Melo is a tweener as well. Thad, who's athletic and a great defender who can play inside or hit the 3 would be picture perfect.

Lowry's another interesting option, he would be an upgrade from Felton BUT he's been injury prone and had character issues and is playing like an all-star for the first time in 3 years, in a contract year. What will happen when he gets paid?

Not really sure if the Knicks have the assets or salary to make this happen. The only way possible would be a multi team kind of deal, or series of deals, involving Tyson Chandler. If the Knicks could pull off Chandler and maybe Shumpert for Lowry, Young and a serviceable C like a Robin Lopez they should probably roll the dice.

Lowry
Hardaway
Anthony
Young
Lopez

Bench:
Prigioni
Felton
Smith
Stoudemire
Martin

The key to building around Melo is surrounding him with guys that play defense and don't need the ball to make an impact. The exact opposite of Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani and JR Smith.

[Johnny Hoops]

Denver Trades: Hickson, Andre Miller, Randy Foye

New York Trades: Shumpert, Udrih, Bargnani

no thanks. foye and hickson go past 2015.

This whole 2015 thing, if the Knicks are sticking to it, I think means Melo is gone. The end of this season, the Knicks will basically be telling him he needs to waste another one of his prime years in the hope some FA's will be signed the following season.

Not saying this deal is good, just occurred to me that's what the whole 2015 thing means.

I agree with you.

I don't buy a player who very close to or may already be past his prime is going to be patient enough to wait it out thru the rest of this season without change --- let alone be willing to sit thru the same crap next year waiting on 2015.

As a fan or management you might have that kind of patience or if you have a young kid who is like 25 but with Melo already being in the league for +10 years --- he isn't waiting around another 1.5 years to clear cap space --- he's going to push the Knicks to move sooner rather than later.

Regardless of what management would want -- Melo will push them to act.

[WhyISO]

I thought our issues of PG are over with Felton?
Isn't he a perfect match for Melo?

What's with all this PG talk?

[bkknicks19]

no thanks. foye and hickson go past 2015.

This whole 2015 thing, if the Knicks are sticking to it, I think means Melo is gone. The end of this season, the Knicks will basically be telling him he needs to waste another one of his prime years in the hope some FA's will be signed the following season.

Not saying this deal is good, just occurred to me that's what the whole 2015 thing means.

I agree with you.

I don't buy a player who very close to or may already be past his prime is going to be patient enough to wait it out thru the rest of this season without change --- let alone be willing to sit thru the same crap next year waiting on 2015.

As a fan or management you might have that kind of patience or if you have a young kid who is like 25 but with Melo already being in the league for +10 years --- he isn't waiting around another 1.5 years to clear cap space --- he's going to push the Knicks to move sooner rather than later.

Regardless of what management would want -- Melo will push them to act.

correct me if i'm wrong but isnt that what paul pierce did until they landed KG and Allen? Isn't that what Dwade did until Bosh and Bron came over? Isn't that what Kobe did until Pau Gasol and Bynum, etc came over? Didn't Dirk do that? Steve Nash stayed in phoenix damn near forever with or without a good team. Players do that. I don't think the 2015 plan means Melo is leaving. If there is a clear plan for success, why would he leave that? Most players leave because they say there is no clear direction for the team.

[bkknicks19]

All the more reason why you go get your PG before you worry about getting a guy like Thad Young tho right? Not sure how you can tell he's capable of being a 3rd option on a championship team when he's never been close to playing on a contending team but lets say that he is: you still believe we need a PG and thats gotta be first, second and third priority. Not winning a chip with thad young if there is not an elite pg on this team.

highlighted is an absolute truth.
but I believe a FO has to keep an eye out for opportunities. when and if we make the move for that pt guard or max player(s), we'll only be able to sign players other teams don't want.
only reason a player like Thad is available is b/c Philly is in rebuild mode, he's a tweener, and probably getting paid a little more than he's worth. A player like that for the knicks is worth picking up, especially since Shump will be included in any trade getting a worthwhile player.

Also, that Doug Collins coached philly team( the year b4 they traded for Bynum) was pretty good in their own right, and Thad delivered. that's where I developed my nbaplayer crush on him--- besides just liking his game, versatiliy,and stats.

let me also add, we don't have enough assets to get a legitimate player. so someone like Rondo is going to have to force his way here, so as long as we don't trade Amare, Shump, and maybe Tyson we should be good in that respect.

Thad is actually a perfect fit next to Melo. Let's be honest, Melo is a tweener as well. Thad, who's athletic and a great defender who can play inside or hit the 3 would be picture perfect.

Lowry's another interesting option, he would be an upgrade from Felton BUT he's been injury prone and had character issues and is playing like an all-star for the first time in 3 years, in a contract year. What will happen when he gets paid?

Not really sure if the Knicks have the assets or salary to make this happen. The only way possible would be a multi team kind of deal, or series of deals, involving Tyson Chandler. If the Knicks could pull off Chandler and maybe Shumpert for Lowry, Young and a serviceable C like a Robin Lopez they should probably roll the dice.

Lowry
Hardaway
Anthony
Young
Lopez

Bench:
Prigioni
Felton
Smith
Stoudemire
Martin

The key to building around Melo is surrounding him with guys that play defense and don't need the ball to make an impact. The exact opposite of Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani and JR Smith.

Not giving up quality assets for lowry in a contract year so he can jr smith us in some way. I do agree with the bolded part of your post tho. Anything the knicks do by the trade deadline or even the offseason will be a multi team trade or something involving Tyson. I really believe its the only way to build a championship roster w/o relying on signing FA's in 2015. I'm of the mindset that the front office doesn't want to wait until 2015 anymore than the fans do. History says Free Agency is not the way to go if you're looking for big time pieces unless you KNOW before hand who's coming like the heat did with bron, wade and bosh. You gotta get those pieces via trade and convince them to stay. It's easier than convincing them to join.

[Esq-4]

Telling Melo part of the plan is to bring in reinforcements in 2015 isn't something that would make him leave in 2014. Saying we will tank and do nothing to improve next year might, but that isn't the plan. Its to have the best team we can have, its just that we are strapped until 2015 to make major moves.

I don't advocate making every move with 2015 in mind, if we can make a move that will help us now and is worth not being able to go after the big names in 2015, or if we can pull them in now.

Getting an upgrade at PG is a real need. So is planning towards the future at the 5. Seems common the big men take a long time to develop, so even if Tyson is a keeper it would be good to bring a guy for him to help develop. That being said, Chandler might be our best trade chip. Getting a reliable guard, either guard position, to take some pressure off Melo in scoring and ball handling is a major need, which is why we look so much better when Shump and/or JR are hot.

And I'm not so sure we can have faith that Amare's huge expiring will be traded before next season. Something tells me that Dolan would want hims so stick around. Which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, make him our McDysse (not the Knicks version but the Spurs version).

Trade the makes sense to me to Tyson to OKC for Perkins fillers and pick. Basically trade him for a pick. Someone mentioned previously the OKC already elected not to sign him and also let Harden walk, difference here though is that we are taking Perkins contract off their hands.

As for point guards, I'm weary of Lowry. I guess some players develop late and he has always been at least solid. But what is this guy going to want next year? Is it just a contract year? Who else is really out there? Are we better off with stop gap types players of Miller or Nelson? Miller has to be traded, they aren't playing the guy while they have issues at the position. The Magic are one of the worst teams in the league record wise and are in a rebuild. Does Nelson really want to be part of that? He could be a nice stop gap if the price isn't high. I've always like him.

Contrary to popular perception, I actually think JR is tradeable. If its to a bad team then he can shoot freely. If its a good team he already showed he can be a very good 6th man. A good team with true vet leadership could make him dangerous. Plus, next year is technically a contract year for Smith because the player option. If he does what he did last year next year I could see him opt out and look himself into a larger contract. Felton is the tougher sell, especially after his melt down when we traded him last time.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

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I agree with you.

I don't buy a player who very close to or may already be past his prime is going to be patient enough to wait it out thru the rest of this season without change --- let alone be willing to sit thru the same crap next year waiting on 2015.

As a fan or management you might have that kind of patience or if you have a young kid who is like 25 but with Melo already being in the league for +10 years --- he isn't waiting around another 1.5 years to clear cap space --- he's going to push the Knicks to move sooner rather than later.

Regardless of what management would want -- Melo will push them to act.

He really doesn't have the leverage to be dictating our strategy. If he thinks he can get $25m per elsewhere, let him test the market. A good GM would not succumb to this BS. Problem is our owner thinks that having the highest paid player in basketball is an end unto itself.

[DowNY]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mmb3ccq

Knicks acquire: Russell Westbrook & Kendrick Perkins
(Deals: Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, JR Smith, Tyson Chandler, 2015 1st rd swap, & 2018 1st rd pick)

Thunder acquire: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Raymond Felton, Andersan Varejao & 2015 1st rd swap via NYK
(Deals: Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson & 2014 1st rd pick)

Cavs acquire: Reggie Jackson, Iman Shumpert, Tyson Chandler, 2014 1st pick via OKC, & 2018 1st rd pick via NYK
(Deals: Kyrie Irving & Andersan Varejao)

[Deeeez Knicks]

Whats the chances we get in on some of this action? Sell! Sell! Sell!

"I think it's going to be an epic trade deadline," said Chad Ford. "I really do think there's a huge gulf right now between the teams that are trying to compete for a title, a few teams that have struggled this year but still want to make the playoffs, and all those teams willing to write this season off. I think there's a bigger division than in years past."

[bishnykfan]

Whats the chances we get in on some of this action? Sell! Sell! Sell!

"I think it's going to be an epic trade deadline," said Chad Ford. "I really do think there's a huge gulf right now between the teams that are trying to compete for a title, a few teams that have struggled this year but still want to make the playoffs, and all those teams willing to write this season off. I think there's a bigger division than in years past."

When you see the Pacers sign Bynum, you realize that the top 5-6 teams are really going to go all out to try and win this year. The Heat, Pacers, Thunder, Spurs and maybe one or two more western conference teams are or should all be buyers trying to compete and one up the other teams. We do have pieces (Chandler, Shumpert, and maybe a few others) that would help a team trying to win a championship. We should look to sell and get some younger players/draft picks to start this rebuild.

[SuperflyKnick]

Whats the chances we get in on some of this action? Sell! Sell! Sell!

"I think it's going to be an epic trade deadline," said Chad Ford. "I really do think there's a huge gulf right now between the teams that are trying to compete for a title, a few teams that have struggled this year but still want to make the playoffs, and all those teams willing to write this season off. I think there's a bigger division than in years past."

The chances are None... Not even slim its none... The knicks dont have there pk and makes no sense for them to sell and give up the season

[SuperflyKnick]

Whats the chances we get in on some of this action? Sell! Sell! Sell!

"I think it's going to be an epic trade deadline," said Chad Ford. "I really do think there's a huge gulf right now between the teams that are trying to compete for a title, a few teams that have struggled this year but still want to make the playoffs, and all those teams willing to write this season off. I think there's a bigger division than in years past."

When you see the Pacers sign Bynum, you realize that the top 5-6 teams are really going to go all out to try and win this year. The Heat, Pacers, Thunder, Spurs and maybe one or two more western conference teams are or should all be buyers trying to compete and one up the other teams. We do have pieces (Chandler, Shumpert, and maybe a few others) that would help a team trying to win a championship. We should look to sell and get some younger players/draft picks to start this rebuild.

You rebuild when you have your Pick....last thing this franchise needs is giving denver a chance for a top 3 pk

[bishnykfan]

Whats the chances we get in on some of this action? Sell! Sell! Sell!

When you see the Pacers sign Bynum, you realize that the top 5-6 teams are really going to go all out to try and win this year. The Heat, Pacers, Thunder, Spurs and maybe one or two more western conference teams are or should all be buyers trying to compete and one up the other teams. We do have pieces (Chandler, Shumpert, and maybe a few others) that would help a team trying to win a championship. We should look to sell and get some younger players/draft picks to start this rebuild.

You rebuild when you have your Pick....last thing this franchise needs is giving denver a chance for a top 3 pk

You rebuild when you have no chance to win a championship IMO. Denver may get our top three pick anyway. Our pick is gone regardless, if we can trade Chandler and other pieces and get picks and/or young players to start the process sooner, then we should do it.

[SuperflyKnick]

When you see the Pacers sign Bynum, you realize that the top 5-6 teams are really going to go all out to try and win this year. The Heat, Pacers, Thunder, Spurs and maybe one or two more western conference teams are or should all be buyers trying to compete and one up the other teams. We do have pieces (Chandler, Shumpert, and maybe a few others) that would help a team trying to win a championship. We should look to sell and get some younger players/draft picks to start this rebuild.

You rebuild when you have your Pick....last thing this franchise needs is giving denver a chance for a top 3 pk

You rebuild when you have no chance to win a championship IMO. Denver may get our top three pick anyway. Our pick is gone regardless, if we can trade Chandler and other pieces and get picks and/or young players to start the process sooner, then we should do it.

Why are we even having this conversation for ? do you remember who owns the team .... that should tell u all

[bishnykfan]

You rebuild when you have your Pick....last thing this franchise needs is giving denver a chance for a top 3 pk

You rebuild when you have no chance to win a championship IMO. Denver may get our top three pick anyway. Our pick is gone regardless, if we can trade Chandler and other pieces and get picks and/or young players to start the process sooner, then we should do it.

Why are we even having this conversation for ? do you remember who owns the team .... that should tell u all

Good point, very true.