The Trade Thread

[Dre Drummond]

Detroit trades: Monroe + Charlie V
Chicago trades: Dunleavy Jr + Taj Gibson

Why for Chicago? Both clears capspace and brings in a young big man with potential. I don't want to say its a no brainer for them, but its pretty close IMO. Gives them a chance to make a run at a big name FA like Melo, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc... or able to fall back on keeping Monroe and adding someone like Stephenson.

Why for Detroit? Clears the starting logjam... Dunleavy Jr is a great shooter from anywhere on the court and ups our FT% too. Taj is the ideal type of big to bring off the bench, play great D, and has improved offense too.

C:Dre/Jorts
PF:Smith/Gibson
SF:Dunleavy/Singler
SG:KCP/Stuckey
PG:Jennings/Bynum

[Neptune]

Detroit trades: Monroe + Charlie V
Chicago trades: Dunleavy Jr + Taj Gibson

We could get way more for Monroe. Good idea though, Gibson's a beast!

[haulerch]

No way we trade Monroe in the division, hopefully we send him out West.

[jakebernat]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kqdasml
josh smith and stuckey for amare and shumpert.

we get a pretty good 3rd big to stagger with drumroe in amare, and his contract becomes a HUGE asset next season. also, shumpert's a decent 2-way wing with jaw-dropping athleticism and a bunch of untapped potential imo.

new york does their best to put a good roster around melo while also getting out of a good chunk of amare's deal. this deal is a win-win if you ask me...

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[jakebernat]

okay I didn't see that literally the same exact deal was already posted earlier hahaha

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[sfballa13]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kqdasml
josh smith and stuckey for amare and shumpert.

we get a pretty good 3rd big to stagger with drumroe in amare, and his contract becomes a HUGE asset next season. also, shumpert's a decent 2-way wing with jaw-dropping athleticism and a bunch of untapped potential imo.

new york does their best to put a good roster around melo while also getting out of a good chunk of amare's deal. this deal is a win-win if you ask me...

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Shumpert is too valuable to the Knicks if they want to make a playoff run

Here is a better trade for both parties:

Smith, Stuckey, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome

for

Amare, Hardaway Jr, Felton

Why for Knicks? Stuckey is putting up better numbers than Felton in 7-8 less minutes a game without the luxury of easy assists to an automatic scorer like Melo. In his contract year he would do great for the Knicks. That bench is deep enough to make a decent run in the playoffs. If they dont want Datome they can waive him.

Stuckey / Prigioni - Udrih - Bynum
JR Smith / Shumpert
Melo / MWP - Datome
Smith / Bargs - Jerebko
Chandler / Kmart - Aldrich

We dump 9M in useless salary in Jerebko/Bynum/Datome but since we are taking back Hardaway Jr and Felton we only are really saving 4M, and we lose 2 extra years from Smith's deal. Best part is we become significantly worse with Singler starting (hopefully bad enough to get the #8 pick)

In the offseason we resign Monroe, shift Singler to the bench, use the 4M saved from dumping Poop/Bynum/Datome to sign someone like Ariza, fire Mo Cheeks, and run:

Jennings / Felton
KCP / Hardaway Jr
Ariza / Singler
Monroe / Amare
Drummond / Harrelson

+ 8th pick in 2014 Draft

Best part of that line up is we dont have any more useless trash on our bench. Felton, Hardaway Jr, Singler, Amare, Harrelson all would fit their back up roles perfectly.

[jakebernat]

Shumpert is too valuable to the Knicks if they want to make a playoff run

i call BS. new york is trying to play shumpert up to be a lockdown perimeter defender, but in reality he's an inconsistent defender who is able to make an occasional great play due to his athleticism. i absolutely believe NY would part with him in the right deal, especially with how well hardaway jr. (1st year of rookie deal) and j.r. smith are playing at the moment.

obviously, the knicks front office isn't shy about spending money, so i feel like this deal (stuckey/smith for amare/shump) is perfectly reasonable. melo would be able to play his natural SF position while smith would be able to focus his effort on defense and be the second banana on offense.

[sfballa13]

Shumpert is too valuable to the Knicks if they want to make a playoff run

i call BS. new york is trying to play shumpert up to be a lockdown perimeter defender, but in reality he's an inconsistent defender who is able to make an occasional great play due to his athleticism. i absolutely believe NY would part with him in the right deal, especially with how well hardaway jr. (1st year of rookie deal) and j.r. smith are playing at the moment.

obviously, the knicks front office isn't shy about spending money, so i feel like this deal (stuckey/smith for amare/shump) is perfectly reasonable. melo would be able to play his natural SF position while smith would be able to focus his effort on defense and be the second banana on offense.

Shumpert is more valuable in the playoffs than Hardaway is. Hardaway's defense is no where NEAR Shumpert, regardless of how overrated Shump is. Plus by not asking for Shumpert we are able to throw in our trash contracts as incentive for us to take on Amare who is dead weight at this point.

If Knicks make my trade Stuckey, who is far better defensively than Felton, would start. This would allow JR Smith to bring his scoring off the bench and Shumpert to defend the other team's SG. Im pretty sure the Knicks would rather see Shumpert Vs Wade/Stephenson than JR Smith or Hardaway Jr who would both get torched.

[jakebernat]

one flaw in your deal is that it would leave the knicks with 2 players over the roster max. also, you claim to want to get rid of our trash contracts, but propose that we trade for felton. lol that makes no sense.

besides, we would have to do a 5 for 5 player trade. when was the last time there was a 10 player trade between 2 teams??

stuckey and smith for amare and shump is much more plausible. stoudemire is still productive in limited minutes and will be one of the most coveted assets in the league next season.

[jakebernat]

Shumpert is more valuable in the playoffs than Hardaway is. Hardaway's defense is no where NEAR Shumpert, regardless of how overrated Shump is.

shumpert gives up a PER of 18.3 to SG per 48 minutes and a PER of 18.5 to SF per 48 minutes.
hardaway gives up a PER of 17.1 to SG per 48 minutes and a PER of 13.1 to SF per 48 minutes.

shumpert's defense is overrated.

If Knicks make my trade Stuckey, who is far better defensively than Felton, would start.

you, me, and every other pistons fan in the world know that stuckey is not a starting PG. i'm not even going to touch that one.

[sfballa13]

one flaw in your deal is that it would leave the knicks with 2 players over the roster max. also, you claim to want to get rid of our trash contracts, but propose that we trade for felton. lol that makes no sense.

besides, we would have to do a 5 for 5 player trade. when was the last time there was a 10 player trade between 2 teams??

stuckey and smith for amare and shump is much more plausible. stoudemire is still productive in limited minutes and will be one of the most coveted assets in the league next season.

Knicks can easily waive any players over the roster max. Their owner doesnt care about throwing money away. The price they pay for keeping Shumpert is taking on Datome and Bynum and waiving them if need be.

Id much rather have Felton at 3M than Jerebko / Bynum / Datome at 9M. Felton is worlds better than Bynum who is selfish and doesnt fit this team at all. Felton is a starter for the Knicks and would do great commanding our bench squad.

The meat of the trade is Smith,Stuckey for Amare, Hardaway. Datome/Bynum/Jerebko and Felton are throw in contracts to make the deal work.

Knicks will not trade their best defender for Stuckey sorry, stats dont mean **** in this scenario. For the past two years Shumpert has guarded the other team's best player at the 2 and the 3. There is nothing plausible about trading your best defender when you are trying to make a run for the Finals. No one can defend Wade and Stephenson better than Shumpert regardless if you think he is overrated.

Stuckey is not qualified to be a starter in the league but he is miles ahead of Felton who the Knicks have been using as their starting PG for the past 2 years.

[jakebernat]

Knicks will not trade their best defender for Stuckey sorry. There is nothing plausible about trading your best defender when you are trying to make a run for the Finals. No one can defend Wade and Stephenson better than Shumpert.

where do you keep getting this myth that shumpert is a lockdown defender? and their best defender??? i'm sorry, but tyson chandler is the only player on that team that plays anything close to consistently good defense.

Felton is worlds better than Bynum who is selfish and doesnt fit this team at all. Felton is a starter for the Knicks and would do great commanding our bench squad.

lol felton is marginally better than bynum, IF that. prigioni is easily their best PG. the opportunity to have $35 million+ in expiring deals in a season where teams will be lining up to clear cap space for the next summer would be a great situation to be in.

[sfballa13]

Knicks will not trade their best defender for Stuckey sorry. There is nothing plausible about trading your best defender when you are trying to make a run for the Finals. No one can defend Wade and Stephenson better than Shumpert.

where do you keep getting this myth that shumpert is a lockdown defender? and their best defender??? i'm sorry, but tyson chandler is the only player on that team that plays anything close to consistently good defense.

Felton is worlds better than Bynum who is selfish and doesnt fit this team at all. Felton is a starter for the Knicks and would do great commanding our bench squad.

lol felton is marginally better than bynum, IF that. prigioni is easily their best PG. the opportunity to have $35 million+ in expiring deals in a season where teams will be lining up to clear cap space for the next summer would be a great situation to be in.

Have you watched the Knicks play? Is it a coincidence that the top offensive SG/SF is always guarded by Shumpert? It doesnt matter if you think that Shumpert sucks maybe he truly does. But the Knicks coaching staff have been using him against Wade/Lebron and against Stephenson/George. Those are the top two players on their only two competitors in the East. Last time I checked Tyson Chandler doesnt guard SG/SF. To say that the Knicks would rather have Jr Smith or Hardaway Jr playing in crunch time instead of Shumpert is a joke. There is a reason why JR Smith doesnt leave the bench in the 4th most games. Hardaway Jr is cheap but he is not some offensive juggernaut as he is putting up 9 pts on 7 shots per game.

I never said not to trade for Amare. I am for that. Including Felton/Hardaway Jr instead of Shumpert in the deal is incentive for the Knicks to take on Jerebko, Datome, Bynum. The 7M that Jerebko and Datome makes can be used to sign a SF like Ariza next year, money that we would not have available if we just took on Shumpert. Bynum is terrible and selfish, Felton at least knows how to pass usually a pretty good trait to have as a PG. We dont need Will coming out and jacking up 4-5 shots everytime he touches the floor.

[jakebernat]

okay, now that you've brought it up, CHANDLER IS A DEFENSIVE ANCHOR. that is exponentially more important to a good defense than any perimeter defender. your argument would make some sense if shumpert shut down wade, lebron, stephenson, or george...but he hasn't. in fact, those 4 players have absolutely torched the knicks this season.

and i never said "shumpert sucks", i just don't think the knicks value him nearly as much as you think they do...

a frontcourt with josh smith and chandler patrolling the paint would make the knicks world's better defensively, more than shumpert's all-world defense ever could.

have you stopped to ask yourself why would new york want to take on our garbage and pay 9 million for players who probably won't even crack the rotation anyways?

[sfballa13]

okay, now that you've brought it up, CHANDLER IS A DEFENSIVE ANCHOR. that is exponentially more important to a good defense than any perimeter defender. your argument would make some sense if shumpert shut down wade, lebron, stephenson, or george...but he hasn't. in fact, those 4 players have absolutely torched the knicks this season.

and i never said "shumpert sucks", i just don't think the knicks value him nearly as much as you think they do...

a frontcourt with josh smith and chandler patrolling the paint would make the knicks world's better defensively, more than shumpert's all-world defense ever could.

have you stopped to ask yourself why would new york want to take on our garbage and pay 9 million for players who probably won't even crack the rotation anyways?

New York takes that garbage on because there is not one team in the league that can offer the talent Stuckey and Smith bring to the table while only taking back Amare. Dolan is paying up his nose already a few extra million spent to retain Melo is a smart investment in the long run.

[theBigLip]

16 more days til trade deadline. When I go online everyday I keep expecting to see a Piston trade even though I know no one gets serious until 48 hours before the deadline. Hopefully Smiths name is out there...

[sc8581]

16 more days til trade deadline. When I go online everyday I keep expecting to see a Piston trade even though I know no one gets serious until 48 hours before the deadline. Hopefully Smiths name is out there...

Hopefully Monroe and Smith both get dealt

[jakebernat]

here's a quote from a truehoop writer when asked if detroit should trade monroe:

"Strauss: Fact. Perhaps I'm wrong on this, but I believe that offense-first big men are generally overvalued. The exceptions to this philosophy are guys like Dirk Nowitzki who can stretch opposing defenders to the 3-point arc. Monroe can't stretch the opposing defense, and he doesn't play good defense. Teams that trade that type of player tend to end up better off."

i think he nailed it on the head. monroe's a talented offensive player, but he doesn't contribute enough on defense to warrant the contract he's going to receive. his defense doesn't look too bad when he's able to guard centers, but we already have drummond. i'm honestly warming up to the idea of trading for ryan anderson and eric gordon. let's really build around drummond and see just how far he can take us.

oh yeah, trade smith for whatever we can get too...

[The Penguin]

Monroe
Jennings
Singler

for

Kyrie
Gee


Tank like your life depends on it.


Pistons have Kyrie/KCP/_____/Smith/Drummond and should have $10-15 mil in FA to target a guy like Gordon Hayward, Lance Stephenson or Evan Turner or even a vet like Granger or Ariza to round out the starting 5.


Pipe dream:

Kyrie (38) / Stephenson (10)
Stephenson (25) /KCP (23)
Wiggins (35) / KCP (13)
Smith (38) / NEED A BIG
Drummond (35) / NEED A BIG

[Neptune]

Monroe
Jennings
Singler

for

Kyrie
Gee


Tank like your life depends on it.

No. Sorry Piston Prince