Game 62: Milwaukee @ Texas; 6/9/07 @ 7:35

WEFFPIM · Post #21 » by **WEFFPIM** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:20 am

Here's a question: Has their been a closed door meeting or a players only meeting in the last month? I know it's nothing drastic and may not actually do anything, but SOMETHING has to occur. Anything. The Brewers have failed to capitalize on so many opportunities and have been victim of so much bad fortune the last 20 years, I don't know how much more this fan base can handle. This team needs to win NOW, and they're falling flat on their faces. A golden opportunity is being completely wasted and nothing is getting done to change that.

trwi7 · Post #22 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:30 am

willeatfire4playoffsinmil wrote:Here's a question: Has their been a closed door meeting or a players only meeting in the last month? I know it's nothing drastic and may not actually do anything, but SOMETHING has to occur. Anything. The Brewers have failed to capitalize on so many opportunities and have been victim of so much bad fortune the last 20 years, I don't know how much more this fan base can handle. This team needs to win NOW, and they're falling flat on their faces. A golden opportunity is being completely wasted and nothing is getting done to change that.

Why would they have a closed door meeting? According to Ned everything is hunky-dory and we're still in 1st place. :roll:

Captain Erv · Post #23 » by **Captain Erv** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:26 am

"We knew he'd have an off night at some point, but we wanted to wait as long as we could before it happened," Yost said. "He got two quick outs and a lot of two-strike counts, but couldn't put them away. But it's not devastating. We're not dead. It's a ballgame."

:nonono:

JoeWolfFan · Post #24 » by **JoeWolfFan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:37 am

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hey tell me who's better at getting on base.

Let me help you.

Gross .200 BA .337 OBP
Gwynn .305 BA .367 OBP

If you say Gwynn you're smoking something. I love how that works both ways.

Ummmm did you just prove yourself wrong and back it up with statistical data? I'm no math wiz, but I do believe that .367 is higher than .337.

Wait, in all seriousness, are you Gabe Gross's mom trwi7??

trwi7 · Post #25 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:44 am

JoeWolfFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ummmm did you just prove yourself wrong and back it up with statistical data? I'm no math wiz, but I do believe that .367 is higher than .337.

Wait, in all seriousness, are you Gabe Gross's mom trwi7??

Wait did you not understand what I just did?

Look again.

Gross- .200 BA .337 OBP; OBP is .137 points higher than his BA
Gwynn- .305 BA .367 OBP; OBP is .062 points higher than his BA

So tell me, if both batting averages are the same who is better at getting on base? That piece of garbage bench player Gross who's lucky to be on a major league roster or our future starting CF who can do no wrong and is guaranteed to make it to the hall of fame?

trwi7 · Post #26 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:45 am

Captain Erv 40 wrote: It's a ballgame."

Hey Ned, isn't it your job to win ballgames? If you're not concerned than just quit now and spare us these garbage comments that you always use.

Ill-yasova · Post #27 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:24 pm

[quote="trwi7"][/quote]
You are bordering On Epi territory now. Liking a player is OK. But you have to be able to admit when he's garbage. Your blind defense of Gross is getting ridiculous. For instance on the Packers I was a huge Ferguson fan from the time they drafted him. I always defended him when he got hurt or just plain didn't produce, but eventually I had to give up on him. The truth will set you free.

trwi7 · Post #28 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:04 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You are bordering On Epi territory now. Liking a player is OK. But you have to be able to admit when he's garbage. Your blind defense of Gross is getting ridiculous.

Wonderful. Don't respond to what I post, just compare me to Epi like I'll just accept it. Now back up why you think Gwynn is better than Gross unless of course you don't really have an argument better than he's so good, he's our future leadoff hitter!

Ill-yasova · Post #29 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:15 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wonderful. Don't respond to what I post, just compare me to Epi like I'll just accept it. Now back up why you think Gwynn is better than Gross unless of course you don't really have an argument better than he's so good, he's our future leadoff hitter!

My argument has already included BA, OBP, runs scored, RBI, hits, and stolen bases. I like you as a poster, and agree with alot of what you say on other issues, but how can you think Gross is better than Gwynn? The numbers just clearly don't back it up. .312 is better than .200. His on base percentage is better than Gross'. Like I said it's cool if you like a player, but you have to give that player the kick in the ass he deserves every once in a while.

trwi7 · Post #30 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:25 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:My argument has already included BA, OBP, runs scored, RBI, hits, and stolen bases.

So an 80 at bat sample size should take precedence over minor league numbers and what Gross did in the majors last year?

JoeWolfFan · Post #31 » by **JoeWolfFan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:37 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wait did you not understand what I just did?

Look again.

Gross- .200 BA .337 OBP; OBP is .137 points higher than his BA
Gwynn- .305 BA .367 OBP; OBP is .062 points higher than his BA

So tell me, if both batting averages are the same who is better at getting on base? That piece of garbage bench player Gross who's lucky to be on a major league roster or our future starting CF who can do no wrong and is guaranteed to make it to the hall of fame?

Wow, I have heard better arguments from drunk Cubs fans. If you had a batter hitting .050 with an on base percentage of .200, does that make him better than BOTH Gross and Gwynn?

His OBP would be a whopping .150 higher!!! I say we trade our current roster for a team of guys what will never get a hit in their life but will walk 1 out of 5 at bats.

trwi7 · Post #32 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:41 pm

JoeWolfFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wow, I have heard better arguments from drunk Cubs fans. If you had a batter hitting .050 with an on base percentage of .200, does that make him better than BOTH Gross and Gwynn?

His OBP would be a whopping .150 higher!!! I say we trade our current roster for a team of guys what will never get a hit in their life but will walk 1 out of 5 at bats.

But you guys are actually making it sound like his OBP is only .200. The FACT is that his OBP is just a few points below a certain future leadoff hitter.

Ill-yasova · Post #33 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:44 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

But you guys are actually making it sound like his OBP is only .200. The FACT is that his OBP is just a few points below a certain future leadoff hitter.

But his BA (also known as hitting) is .112 points below.
The fact of the matter is that even coming into this season Gross was a .249 career major league hitter, not good. He is now a career .243 hitter even worse.

JoeWolfFan · Post #34 » by **JoeWolfFan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:46 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So an 80 at bat sample size should take precedence over minor league numbers and what Gross did in the majors last year?

Oh I didn't notice, you started back pedaling from your previous lousy argument. Does this new argument mean you admit you were wrong before?

As far as this crap argument, yes Gross has been solid in the past. However, this sample is based on over a third of a season. I know, I know, he's a reserve so his at bats are down. Well maybe if he could hit lefties at all he could get a chance at being an everyday player.

So my point, what have you done for me lately? I don't care what Gwynn's last name is, he is a better player right now, which is all that matters to me.

And just to prove that I'm not playing favorites, I am going to start calling for Billy Hall to be benched too, despite his solid past numbers (which do NOTHING for us today).

trwi7 · Post #35 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:48 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

But his BA (also known as hitting) is .112 points below.

I fail to see how that matters if he's basically getting on base at the same rate.

Would you rather have Adam Dunn and his career .246 batting average and .378 OBP or Carlos Lee and his career .287 batting average and .340 OBP?

JoeWolfFan · Post #36 » by **JoeWolfFan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:50 pm

I would rather take Carlos Lee and so would 100% of GM's in baseball.

trwi7 · Post #37 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:53 pm

Oh I didn't notice, you started back pedaling from your previous lousy argument. Does this new argument mean you admit you were wrong before?

Back pedaling from what?

As far as this crap argument, yes Gross has been solid in the past. However, this sample is based on over a third of a season. I know, I know, he's a reserve so his at bats are down.

Yeah his at bats are down which means it's hard to go by stats because you could have a 4-4 day and your batting average could go up about 20 or 30 points.

Well maybe if he could hit lefties at all he could get a chance at being an everyday player.

Yeah and maybe if Gwynn would show just a little power and a little better ability to get on base in the minors he'd be starting in CF.

So my point, what have you done for me lately?

And what has Gwynn done lately? Gwynn has the better AVG and OBP and SB's, Gross has the better SLG%, OPS and more homeruns. It's really not a big difference which is why I'm making this argument.

trwi7 · Post #38 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:55 pm

JoeWolfFan wrote:I would rather take Carlos Lee and so would 100% of GM's in baseball.

So you would take the guy with the better batting average but worse OBP, SLG%, OPS, homeruns etc.

Okay that's fine but don't say every GM in baseball would.

Ill-yasova · Post #39 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:55 pm

I'd rather have the guy with more hits RBI, and far less strike outs. Because guys who strike out strand lots of runners in scoring position.

Ill-yasova · Post #40 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:06 pm

Lee's Career BA with risp is .298 with 600 RBI. Dunn's is .219 with .300 RBI. OH can I please have Dunn on my team.

Oh yeah, but Dunn does walk more with runners in scoring position, but that's because he's not to busy driving the runner's in.

Runners on and 2 outs. Lee .271 BA. Dunn .204. Dunn does not hit when his team needs him.