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Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?)

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Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?)

Poll ended at Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:32 am

Trade Ariza/ try to keep Gortat
4
12%
Trade Gortat/ try to keep Ariza
4
12%
Trade both
8
24%
try to sign both
11
32%
Let Ariza walk / try to keep Gortat
0
No votes
Let Gortat walk/ try to keep Ariza
3
9%
Let both walk
4
12%
 
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Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?) 

Post#1 » by Knighthonor » Tue Feb 4, 2014 10:32 am

Well Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat will be major subjects soon.

What do you believe EG should do when it comes to these two?

TA has been a beast on both ends of the court.

I am liking MG as well.

I figured it would best to vote on it to see what the community here thinks.
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Re: Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?) 

Post#2 » by Tricky_Kid » Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:23 am

It depands for how much. I like them both. If we could sign Monroe somehow it means Gortat should go cause probably won't sign a deal under 10mil/year. He is 30 years old and each year He is playing worse in my opinion, especially at defence. Definatelly I don't want Hawes here.
About Ariza also almost 30 years old his actuall stats are much better than career. It's hard to say if the main reason of his better play is caused by contract year. GM must decides if He tries to keep him in DC after the season if not now it's the best time to trade for better assets. Best SF is Melo but unreal He join to the Wiz.

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Re: Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?) 

Post#3 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 4, 2014 11:30 am

I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.
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Re: Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?) 

Post#4 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 1:47 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.

This.

If we make it to the offseason with no trades, then chances are extremely high that we will keep both. The bottom line is that Ariza and Gortat combined are going to be better than whatever we do with the cap room we gain by renouncing them both.

If Ariza and/or Gortat are going to be exchanged for value, it'll have to be via a trade at the Deadline. I don't see it happening in the offseason.
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Post#5 » by lastemp3ror » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:03 pm

nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.

This.

If we make it to the offseason with no trades, then chances are extremely high that we will keep both. The bottom line is that Ariza and Gortat combined are going to be better than whatever we do with the cap room we gain by renouncing them both.

If Ariza and/or Gortat are going to be exchanged for value, it'll have to be via a trade at the Deadline. I don't see it happening in the offseason.


I think our money is better served else where. I can't help to think about our draft and the resigning of Webster. Why give Webster all of this money? Then follow that up with drafting Porter and Glen Rice Jr. If we resign Ariza, in two years, we just invested in 4 small forwards. Long term, I don't think this roster can win championships. Unless we can resign Ariza, and still have money to throw at Beal and and sign another major player, I don't think we should keep Ariza. Thus, I say trade Ariza for a position of need. Let Webster start and let Porter and Rice back up Webster. I believe that this team is going to make the playoffs and get just as far in the playoffs with or without Ariza.
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Post#6 » by Rafael122 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:04 pm

Either Ariza gets traded to add more depth to this team or they re-sign both. I really think out of the two, Gortat will more than likely stay unless Seraphin shows so much improvement that you roll with him as the starting center going forward.

I do like Mike Prada's idea of offering Ariza a 3 year deal with the last year being partially guaranteed. It's essentially a two year deal so that the Wizards keep the window open for KD.
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Post#7 » by 20MexicanosIn1Van » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:17 pm

Whatever they do, they've got to keep 2016 cap flexibility!
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Post#8 » by hands11 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:31 pm

20MexicanosIn1Van wrote:Whatever they do, they've got to keep 2016 cap flexibility!


That's the important thing isn't it.

They have 5 more games until the AS break.

The trade deadline is February 20 which is 7 games away post ATL on the 19th

Hard to see them signing both of them for only 2 years. That's what makes this tough.

Trevor A is 28. Will be 29 in June
Gortat is 29 and will be 30 in just a few days Feb 17th

They might be able to get Gortat on a 2 year, but getting TA on a two year might be tough.
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Post#9 » by Dat2U » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:35 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.



And that's the worst situation to be stuck in. When you have to keep everyone just to remain competitive. That's what the reward of going all in for the playoffs without a solid foundation of talent already in place... while everyone this off-season will be working to get better, we'll be just trying to maintain status quo.
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Post#10 » by EuroPacer » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:39 pm

Pacer in peace,

As you might know Lance Stephenson is in his final year, we will do everything we can to sign him, but things might not be that simple. One of the options I am hoping for as a fall back is Ariza, how much do you think he would go for?

Watched your team a few times throughout the year (League Pass for the win!) and pleased to see you finally seem to have got it together, so I appreciate losing Ariza and/or Gortat will be a tough pill to swallow but things are looking up for you guys and I still have you in 3rd in the East, especially if you keep beating teams like the Blazers in the way you did last night!
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Post#11 » by hands11 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:46 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.



And that's the worst situation to be stuck in. When you have to keep everyone just to remain competitive. That's what the reward of going all in for the playoffs without a solid foundation of talent already in place... while everyone this off-season will be working to get better, we'll be just trying to maintain status quo.


Wall and Beal will still be here. That is the core they are developing.

Seems their strategy is to focus on those two then transition into landing a 3rd star.

Question is, when does the transition happen. Just because we don't know the answer to that does mean they are stuck. Sure things are not clear as to what they will do. We just have to wait and see. Maybe they do get stuck. Maybe they don't.

For now, its all about Wall, the team winning against the best in the league, and making noise in the playoffs.

But yeah, there are tons of questions regarding this team. GM, Coach, players past Wall and Beal. So much is up in the air so I'm just sitting back and enjoying seeing Wall take the next step because that's all we know we will have. Hopefully Beal takes a step as well.
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Post#12 » by Rafael122 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:54 pm

EuroPacer wrote:Pacer in peace,

As you might know Lance Stephenson is in his final year, we will do everything we can to sign him, but things might not be that simple. One of the options I am hoping for as a fall back is Ariza, how much do you think he would go for?

Watched your team a few times throughout the year (League Pass for the win!) and pleased to see you finally seem to have got it together, so I appreciate losing Ariza and/or Gortat will be a tough pill to swallow but things are looking up for you guys and I still have you in 3rd in the East, especially if you keep beating teams like the Blazers in the way you did last night!


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Post#13 » by Spence » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:58 pm

Dat2U wrote: while everyone this off-season will be working to get better, we'll be just trying to maintain status quo.

If history is any guide, the overwhelming majority those teams working to get better will fail.
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Post#14 » by Dark Faze » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:05 pm

I'm still in the camp that would like to move Ariza for a pick. There are a lot of teams in win now mode that desperately need a 3 and D perimeter guy.I've said it before but I'd love to take on Princes contract from Memphis, get their pick and give them Ariza. I'd hold onto Prince to use as expiring trade bait next year but have him mostly ride the bench in favor of boosting Porters minutes substantially.

A lot we could do with that pick. If we're still unsure about SF moving forward we can draft McAdoo or Glen Robinson III. It's really a can't lose situation there with a proven vet in Martell, a promising pick in Porter and yet another SF behind them. You get younger and save money on the cap.

Gortat? We don't have a lot of options and its looking like Detroit is smartening up and realizing that Smith should be the one to go and not Monroe. That basically just leaves Asik as a big we can target but its going to be impossible to fascilitate a trade, so I'd probably vote to extend Gortat at this point.

With Gortat its less about the money and more about the years. Preferably a 3 year deal with the third being a team option. It's just important to have cap space in the summer of Durant.
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Post#15 » by pancakes3 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:16 pm

I think the odds of us drafting a SF to do what we ask of Ariza are slim especially since we just burned a #3 pick to do just that. Webster's the trade chip we should be pimping.
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Post#16 » by Dark Faze » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:22 pm

pancakes3 wrote:I think the odds of us drafting a SF to do what we ask of Ariza are slim especially since we just burned a #3 pick to do just that. Webster's the trade chip we should be pimping.


We didn't burn anything. We don't have a clue what we have in Porter because he hasn't gotten a fair shot yet.

If you're going to give up on a #3 overall pick in favor of a guy who's career year numbers are 14 and 6 in a contract year, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post#17 » by Nivek » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:29 pm

Ruz has it right. They pretty much cut off their options when they traded cap space for Okafor and Ariza. They aren't going to be in position to ADD a free agent of note to this group: signing a high-salary free agent means the departure of Gortat, Ariza, Booker and the rest of the roster detritus. Maybe that free agent can replace what those guys do, maybe not. They'd still need to sign other guys to fill out the roster, but they'd be pretty limited in what they can offer, and they won't have a first round pick.

Odds are, they're going to end up trying to re-sign Gortat, Ariza and Booker, and then using the MLE to sign a free agent guard and maybe a rotation big man. And then hope that Wall, Beal and/or Porter make The Leap to true franchise-level stardom. (No, Wall isn't there yet.)

The fact that they're trying to get Gortat's contract done during the season is indication that they won't be players in free agency this offseason. When they're done signing/re-signing people, my prediction is that they will have spent their potential cap room for 2016.
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Post#18 » by J-Ves » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:39 pm

Trade Ariza + Gortat for Asik + other assets. Maybe get a 3rd team involved to get a competent back up pg. Trade Porter for Illyasova + other assets. Give KS and/or Book a 2 year deal worth how ever much we are under the cap using bird rights. Use MLE where ever appropriate for a 2 year deal.

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Post#19 » by fishercob » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:42 pm

What to do with them? How about we talk about them in the free agency thread, the trade thread, or their respective appreciation threads?
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Post#20 » by pancakes3 » Tue Feb 4, 2014 3:49 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:I think the odds of us drafting a SF to do what we ask of Ariza are slim especially since we just burned a #3 pick to do just that. Webster's the trade chip we should be pimping.


We didn't burn anything. We don't have a clue what we have in Porter because he hasn't gotten a fair shot yet.

If you're going to give up on a #3 overall pick in favor of a guy who's career year numbers are 14 and 6 in a contract year, I don't know what to tell you.


I don't understand what you're trying to say. We didn't draft a SF with the #3 pick? We shouldn't have? 14/6 guys like Ariza are a dime a dozen? That we can trade Ariza for a #3 pick?

a) Ariza might nominally be putting up 14 points and 6 rebounds but his impact is much more than that.
b) You might have taken offense to whatever connotation "burn" has. I didn't mean it as wasted but rather used.
c) Our team will be significantly worse if we trade Ariza for a pick for a variety of reasons - the guy won't be ready, they guy might bust, the pick will be a mid-late lotto anyway...
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