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Mylie10 · Post #1441 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 4:52 am

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-deng-isn-happy-traded-mess-cleveland-article-1.1598983

Poor Jarrett Jack....Now I know why Jack is having such a down year.....let's save him

and1GS · Post #1442 » by **and1GS** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 8:29 pm

Mylie10 wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-deng-isn-happy-traded-mess-cleveland-article-1.1598983

Poor Jarrett Jack....Now I know why Jack is having such a down year.....let's save him

He shouldn't have bolted when he saw dollar signs. He had a chance to be a part of something special for low $$$ but instead chose a secure big money deal on a **** team. Sucks but I'm not sure there's any way we could even acquire him.

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Mylie10 · Post #1443 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 9:25 pm

I really want no part in Waiters....just to immature to make it worth while. They are about to shake things up there. Maybe we can get something done? Who knows.

Coxy · Post #1444 » by **Coxy** » Sun Feb 2, 2014 10:15 pm

and1GS wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-deng-isn-happy-traded-mess-cleveland-article-1.1598983

Poor Jarrett Jack....Now I know why Jack is having such a down year.....let's save him

He shouldn't have bolted when he saw dollar signs. He had a chance to be a part of something special for low $$$ but instead chose a secure big money deal on a **** team. Sucks but I'm not sure there's any way we could even acquire him.

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I never hold it against players that choose long term financial security in a potentially worse off situation. We don't walkIin their shoes so I try not to judge.

Jester_ · Post #1445 » by **Jester_** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 2:08 pm

and1GS wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-deng-isn-happy-traded-mess-cleveland-article-1.1598983

Poor Jarrett Jack....Now I know why Jack is having such a down year.....let's save him

He shouldn't have bolted when he saw dollar signs. He had a chance to be a part of something special for low $$$ but instead chose a secure big money deal on a **** team. Sucks but I'm not sure there's any way we could even acquire him.

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I dunno. I think Jack realized that this would probably be his last big contract before his play drops off. I can't fault him for wanting to cash it in. That's the thing about athletes, they have to spend the second half of their lives living off the paycheque from 12 years of basketball.

Post #1446 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:02 pm

No way we bring Jack back now, after we acquired Jordan Crawford.

I do like CLE as a potential trading partner though, especially if our goal is to shed Lee:

Lee/Barnes/Speights ----> Varejao/Tristan/Waiters

Might even ask for their 1st.. I consider Lee the best player in the trade by a longshot.

statsman · Post #1447 » by **statsman** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 8:14 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:No way we bring Jack back now, after we acquired Jordan Crawford.

I do like CLE as a potential trading partner though, especially if our goal is to shed Lee:

Lee/Barnes/Speights ----> Varejao/Tristan/Waiters

Might even ask for their 1st.. I consider Lee the best player in the trade by a longshot.

Because of Lee, I think the Warriors lose this trade from a talent standpoint, but not by too much. They do shed Lee's contract, and in return end up with three players who would be easier to move in future trades (unless Waiters really starts to lose it).

I believe the trade could be configured where the Cavs would receive TPEs for Varejao and Tristan (who fits completely under the Rush TPE - ESPN trade machine still has it at $4M). In return, the Warriors would get a TPE for Lee and one year to use it.

and1GS · Post #1448 » by **and1GS** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 9:59 pm

Jester_ wrote:
and1GS wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-deng-isn-happy-traded-mess-cleveland-article-1.1598983

Poor Jarrett Jack....Now I know why Jack is having such a down year.....let's save him

He shouldn't have bolted when he saw dollar signs. He had a chance to be a part of something special for low $$$ but instead chose a secure big money deal on a **** team. Sucks but I'm not sure there's any way we could even acquire him.

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I dunno. I think Jack realized that this would probably be his last big contract before his play drops off. I can't fault him for wanting to cash it in. That's the thing about athletes, they have to spend the second half of their lives living off the paycheque from 12 years of basketball.

I agree and don't hate him for the deal, he just knew what he was getting into. Great life choice **** basketball one. Especially for a backup PG.

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and1GS · Post #1449 » by **and1GS** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 10:02 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:No way we bring Jack back now, after we acquired Jordan Crawford.

I do like CLE as a potential trading partner though, especially if our goal is to shed Lee:

Lee/Barnes/Speights ----> Varejao/Tristan/Waiters

Might even ask for their 1st.. I consider Lee the best player in the trade by a longshot.

Varejao is an injured mess now, Tristan would be awesome off the bench and Waiters...mixed bag. Better scoring worse passing Crawford with more potential. But what happens at the 4? Pray Varejao/Oneal are healthy? Start Draymond 30 mpg? And what happens if Bogut needs to rest? A lot of question marks.

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Post #1450 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 3, 2014 10:24 pm

and1GS wrote:
Varejao is an injured mess now, Tristan would be awesome off the bench and Waiters...mixed bag. Better scoring worse passing Crawford with more potential. But what happens at the 4? Pray Varejao/Oneal are healthy? Start Draymond 30 mpg? And what happens if Bogut needs to rest? A lot of question marks.

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Varejao is still an excellent defender and great temporary Bogut insurance. Tristan starts at the 4, and I think he improves offensively here. He's actually very good on the low block, and also good at the PnR. Very good rebounder too. Defense sucks, but still might be an improvement on Lee. We basically downgrade at PF, to upgrade our bench significantly, and look towards the future. Some may have a problem with that as we're kinda win-now, but I'm more into stockpiling assets than worrying about this year and how far we'll go. Ultimately, I dont think Lee or Barnes is going to put us over the top this year, so they would be acceptable losses.

Jester_ · Post #1451 » by **Jester_** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 2:57 pm

Varejao has health issues, but a Bogut/Andy 1-2 punch would be a lethal front-court. I like that deal a lot, and I can see Cleveland jumping on that too.

BW32 · Post #1452 » by **BW32** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 7:40 pm

I can't see that at all they have flexibility right now trading for Lee would ruin that completely, as it would do for any team in a similar position. Also who plays C for them after that trade, Speights?

Post #1453 » by **FNQ** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:01 pm

Two reasons:

1) They need to embrace the tank. They aren't winning this year, and instead of fighting it, embrace it. Barnes is a project, Speights and Lee aren't likely to significantly impact win totals any more than the guys that are leaving

2) Save Kyrie. That team needs some leadership in a serious way. Deng likely to walk (if not traded) and they need some sort of stabilization. Lee's done it before with the GS situation, and could do it again for Kyrie and the Cavs. At this stage, the Cavs 2 most important priorities are to get into the top 6, and keep Kyrie happy. They could always flip Lee to the Cats or another team trying to win now as well - maybe Ben Gordon + Biyombo?

Onus · Post #1454 » by **Onus** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:34 pm

Lee is actually a perfect solution for them. He can do there what he did here, which is bring a professional attitude day in and day out while commanding the respect of his peers. Someone needs to teach kyrie or maybe even the front office how to be a professional.

Flash Falcon X · Post #1455 » by **Flash Falcon X** » Tue Feb 4, 2014 8:57 pm

After the Wizards beat the Blazers last night.

Post #1456 » by **Chris Porter's Hair** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:14 am

But... I don't... What the...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/nba-kyl ... ors-kings/

jason bourne · Post #1457 » by **jason bourne** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 9:32 am

Mylie10 wrote:
Jester_ wrote:Anyone else underwhelmed by Wiggins? Still a lot of potential but... what's the case for picking him over Embiid? Or even Jabari?

Embiid is so raw, but he does change the game with his size and length. Parker underwhelms me too, but he is dang good. Wiggins just seems like a freshman.

Julius Randle is a man amongst boys and I can't believe he's a frosh. He has size and moxy....just love his game. I wonder how old he is...haven't looked it up.

Gotta go with Emblid if Ws had #1. DX has him #1 now.

Still would keep an eye on Parker, Randle, and Wiggins. Remember Bowie over Jordan, Oden over Durant...

Quazza · Post #1458 » by **Quazza** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 10:08 am

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:But... I don't... What the...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/nba-kyl ... ors-kings/

my god

Jester_ · Post #1459 » by **Jester_** » Thu Feb 6, 2014 2:09 pm

I was so livid after that game. There have been blown fouls when the stakes were higher, but on a purely technical basis I have never seen a foul call that bad at an important moment of a game. This will be a good measuring stick for the Adam Silver (who was in attendance) era.

The fact that Lowry got a technical foul for running back is just more salt in the wounds.

Quazza · Post #1460 » by **Quazza** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 2:34 am

Sully beasting against the Kings

I know a lot of us were big on this guy (Me, Coxxy, maybe Andy?) Showing why out there