Trevor Ariza & Marcin Gortat (What to do with them?)

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

- we reach the 2nd round and BEAT MIA.

we match up against them possibly as well as any team in the east not named the Pacers.

Let me show you the best chance the Wizards have of getting past the Miami Heat...

All this playoffs, playoffs, playoffs... First round or bust stuff is driving me bonkers. If we do win a series, will we actually get to play in round two, or would it be the more gentlemanly thing to simply concede?

[Kanyewest]

at the risk of angering the hoop gods...

another really really far fetched best case scenario and my own fav wet dream
- we reach the 2nd round and BEAT MIA.

we match up against them possibly as well as any team in the east not named the Pacers.

I'm not sure how the Wizards can stop LeBron from doing this.

[dobrojim]

Violet Palmer

ugh

[Illmatic21]

at the risk of angering the hoop gods...

another really really far fetched best case scenario and my own fav wet dream
- we reach the 2nd round and BEAT MIA.

we match up against them possibly as well as any team in the east not named the Pacers.

Wade could take the series off to rest his knees, and Miami would still win in 5..

[Darko Miliminutes]

Don't know salary issues for this. But i read some reporter speculating that Bosh would be the most likely to split, if any of those 3 considers greener pastures. So, Ariza, Gortat, possibly even Porter. For Bosh! Silly thought probably, but i likes me some Bosh...underrated a great deal since leaving Toronto.

[queridiculo]

Violet Palmer

ugh

[jivelikenice]

Violet Palmer

ugh

At the OKC game I saw her overrule calls what she was in no position to see. Derek Fisher went up to her on one occasion to complain about a clal on the other side of the floor. She of course went and overruled it. She's awful

[barelyawake]

Whatever they do, they've got to keep 2016 cap flexibility!

This. I can accept being a five hundred ball club as long as we don't kill our future to do so. If we resign everyone to long term contracts and we hear noise about how "When healthy this team can beat anyone" then I, and many Wizards' fans, will assume that Ted is another Pollin (not devoted to taking the risks to make a championship team). And that will lose him the fanbase in the long run. We are sick of being lied to by the previous owner. And we are still assessing if Ted means it when he says he wants a championship over anything else.

I love Ariza. And I like Gortat. But, neither are the star we need to take the next step.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.

This.

If we make it to the offseason with no trades, then chances are extremely high that we will keep both. The bottom line is that Ariza and Gortat combined are going to be better than whatever we do with the cap room we gain by renouncing them both.

If Ariza and/or Gortat are going to be exchanged for value, it'll have to be via a trade at the Deadline. I don't see it happening in the offseason.

Be optimistic. Keep both. Trade Booker, Singleton, and/or Maynor if you can before the 2/20 trade deadline.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.

And that's the worst situation to be stuck in. When you have to keep everyone just to remain competitive. That's what the reward of going all in for the playoffs without a solid foundation of talent already in place... while everyone this off-season will be working to get better, we'll be just trying to maintain status quo.

What's done is done. It took 355 games to get over .500. The same EG who is all in for mediocre to save Ted's bottom line, and thus keep his own job, made the decision to give up the draft pick. Otto was asked to play SG in summer league. We're depending on FA Ariza because EG is good at building a house of cards.

I am conditioning myself to enjoy today. The Wizards are better and enjoyable to watch right now, especially when Randy gives the young bigs minutes.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Whatever they do, they've got to keep 2016 cap flexibility!

This. I can accept being a five hundred ball club as long as we don't kill our future to do so. If we resign everyone to long term contracts and we hear noise about how "When healthy this team can beat anyone" then I, and many Wizards' fans, will assume that Ted is another Pollin (not devoted to taking the risks to make a championship team). And that will lose him the fanbase in the long run. We are sick of being lied to by the previous owner. And we are still assessing if Ted means it when he says he wants a championship over anything else.

I love Ariza. And I like Gortat. But, neither are the star we need to take the next step.

It is a shame that contracts are up for both. I wonder if either would stay at a discount? Seems to me both starting and reaching round 2 might consider it.

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[Jimmy Recard]

Many NBA insiders feel the Washington Wizards may trade Trevor Ariza come the upcoming deadline, but according to CSNWashington.com the Wizards appear to be hopeful they can re-sign Ariza at season end.

"Based on the 2014 free-agent pool, which isn’t that special, and the way Trevor Ariza is playing for the Wizards he’s going to heavily sought after in the offseason. Trust, the Wizards realize it, and barring an unforeseen circumstance they’re going to do their best to retain the 6-8 forward."

Ariza is considered to be a relatively solid wind defender, something a handful of teams (say like the Charlotte Bobcats) have expressed interest in obtaining. So it comes as a bit of a shock that the Wizards are looking to keep Ariza rather than trade him given his presumed value in the trade market.

Of course, a lot can happen in the coming days but it’s possible the Wizards don’t feel they’ll be able to obtain enough for Ariza in a trade and he’s more serviceable remaining on their roster moving forward.

http://fansided.com/2014/02/04/nba-rumo ... de/#!uqNzT

[sfam]

Drafting Porter was the mistake we're suffering through now. Ariza already looked good enough to keep prior to the draft. Noel clearly was the pick we should have made.

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[hands11]

while everyone this off-season will be working to get better, we'll be just trying to maintain status quo.

If history is any guide, the overwhelming majority those teams working to get better will fail.

Which is a team that is getting better and realizing their potential.

If the status quo is your players and team improving, that really isn't status quo.

They still have young players that are improving.

[jivelikenice]

Drafting Porter was the mistake we're suffering through now. Ariza already looked good enough to keep prior to the draft. Noel clearly was the pick we should have made.

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So how does that constitute suffering?

[Rafael122]

It really depends on what is considered 'enough' for Trevor Ariza. I think the criteria should be a pick and a young player.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Drafting Porter was the mistake we're suffering through now. Ariza already looked good enough to keep prior to the draft. Noel clearly was the pick we should have made.

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I was worried about Nerlens Noel's knee. Alex Len's health and NBA longevity was also a cocern.

I wanted to trade down for Olynynk. I didn't think it made sense to draft a SF, and didn't want Otto. I did, however, think Otto is a safe pick who in time will be a good player.

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[hands11]

I think the odds of us drafting a SF to do what we ask of Ariza are slim especially since we just burned a #3 pick to do just that. Webster's the trade chip we should be pimping.

That's what I'm saying. Him and Otto.

But it would be sad to see Webster go right now since he was important in getting them to where they are. It would be better to move him maybe next trade deadline or just wait until KD get here. They have a team option on him that year. They could resign him for 2.5M and he stay a Wizards sharp shooter.

Problem is, the player they really need is a stud SF/PG type and they don't come free very often and they cost a boat load.

Might be best to hold on and wait out KD coming home will drafting to fill that slot along the way. If we have a shot at on in 2015 we could go for it. But short of KD or Lebron, I don't thing many other teams really stand a chance of winning it all. Indy might get their with a balanced team in Paul George. SAS for another year with balanced savy. Portland is close but Batum would need to break out and LMA add a 3 ball.

Need to face facts. Building a title contender is not easy. There is nothing wrong with being 2nd round and conference level.

And since we have some what of an inside track on KD, things look better for the Wizards that the rest of the league short of OKC. The other contender will be whereever LeBron lands.

The other other players to target is....

Luol Deng - CLE sucks. Hopefully he wants out.

No one else if giving up their SF. After Deng you are looking at Evan Turner or paying a boat load for Melo.

[Rafael122]

Another criteria is that they must take Eric Maynor back in any deal involving Ariza.

Just something I came up with:
Wizards trade Trevor Ariza, Eric Maynor and Chris Singleton to Charlotte for the 27th pick in the 2014 draft (currently), Ramon Sessions and Gerald Henderson

The only drawback of this deal is that Henderson has a player option the same summer Durant becomes a free agent. But between now and then, it gives us a solid back up shooting guard, and a legit point guard for the playoff push. On top of that the team gets a pick in return.

[hands11]

I think they've backed themselves into a corner where they almost have to sign both of them. They need them both to keep up as a .500ish team. Look at last night's +/- numbers. +23 for both of them. Keeping one of them means you won't have real cap room and you lose talent. Keeping neither and going for someone like Monroe means you overpay for Monroe and have no depth.

This.

If we make it to the offseason with no trades, then chances are extremely high that we will keep both. The bottom line is that Ariza and Gortat combined are going to be better than whatever we do with the cap room we gain by renouncing them both.

If Ariza and/or Gortat are going to be exchanged for value, it'll have to be via a trade at the Deadline. I don't see it happening in the offseason.

Be optimistic. Keep both. Trade Booker, Singleton, and/or Maynor if you can before the 2/20 trade deadline.

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Thats really all there is out there for them as I see it. But who would want that and what would we get in return. A SG/PG type would be nice. Someone experienced enough to help in the playoffs.

Once AH returns, there is not room for Singleton and Maynor on the roster and Glen is to green for Randy to use.

Better would be just trading Singleton and Maynor ... maybe Glen as well. Bring back everyone else. Maybe add Okafor back on a one year cheap.

Wait for KD.